Illinois Adopting Measure To Give Aid To Illegal Immigrant Students.

[MMC]

SPRINGFIELD — A proposal to provide college scholarships to the children of immigrants, even illegal immigrants, is forcing Illinois lawmakers to consider whether it’s appropriate to lend a helping hand to people who are in the country improperly.

Some Republicans are taking heat for supporting the pending Illinois Dream Act, partly because constituents confuse it with federal legislation by the same name that would have given some illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. Other constituents simply believe the Illinois scholarship program is misguided and might deepen the lure of Illinois as a safe haven for illegal immigrants.

The state Dream Act creates a panel to raise private money for scholarships to students with at least one immigrant parent, legal or illegal. The students themselves also could be in the country illegally.
To qualify for the money, students must already be enrolled in or planning to attend college, and they must have a federal taxpayer identification number proving they work and pay federal taxes

The legislation, which is in the Illinois House after passing 45-11 in the Senate, has no impact on a person’s immigration status.....snip~

Scholarship-bill-to-aid-immigrants-faces-test-in - Chicago Sun-Times

They submitted this bill back in May of 2011. It now is in the Illinois house. The Governor says he backs it. Note how the left plays the game. What do you think happens if they pass this law with respects to other Demo States such as Cali and NY?

This Democrat submits a bill with the name of the Illinois Dream Act. IMO this is done intentionally by the left to Confuse the issue. now imagine done so in 24 that are led by Democratic Governments. So basically she submitted a bill based on Illegal Activity as it states the Illegal immigrants have to prove they have a job and pay Federal Taxes. note that difference. not State of Illinois taxes. Federal taxes.

 

[jamesrage]

Can't say that I am surprised.Only a liberal would think its a good idea to fix dinner for those trespassing onto your property.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

I went to school in Illinois. During my time there, I found out someone I knew was an illegal immigrant. She was incredibly intelligent and will probably give more to our country than a lot of citizens, so this is fine with me.

 

[ARealConservative]

Illinois is broke but according to the article, this is about private money anyway. so b.f.d.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

The outrage... those little tacomonkeys might get an education and do something for this country. :roll:

 

[American]

I went to school in Illinois. During my time there, I found out someone I knew was an illegal immigrant. She was incredibly intelligent and will probably give more to our country than a lot of citizens, so this is fine with me.

My parents were legal immigrants, so I disapprove. Some of us love the Constitution and this country.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

My parents were legal immigrants, so I disapprove. Some of us love the Constitution and this country.

:lamo:

I can't believe some of the things I hear on here sometimes.

 

[mike2810]

I went to school in Illinois. During my time there, I found out someone I knew was an illegal immigrant. She was incredibly intelligent and will probably give more to our country than a lot of citizens, so this is fine with me.

But will she ever take the steps to become a citizen? Till she is she has no say in our laws or participate in politics (vote). Wonder how or if she has a SSN or IRS ID number?

The outrage... those little tacomonkeys might get an education and do something for this country. :roll:

Yes they might. that still does not negate the fact that illegal aliens are in the country illegally.

Also I find it objectionalbe for you to use the term "tacomonkeys" in your sarcastic remark. I object to people being in the US illegally. I do not stoop to using demeaning terms. They are illegal aliens, nothing more.

Financial aid should not got to illegal aliens. At least it is private dollars and not tax dollars.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

My parents were legal immigrants, so I disapprove. Some of us love the Constitution and this country.

Okay?

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[ThePlayDrive]

But will she ever take the steps to become a citizen? Till she is she has no say in our laws or participate in politics (vote). Wonder how or if she has a SSN or IRS ID number?

Well, technically, she does have say in our laws because she was pretty involved with the Dream Act - the topic of this thread.

 

[Tucker Case]

Makes me proud of my state. That's a rare thing.

 

[mike2810]

Well, technically, she does have say in our laws because she was pretty involved with the Dream Act - the topic of this thread.

IMO it is a shame when non citizens begin to have a major influence in our laws. Until they are, I feel they should not have a voice.

 

[Tucker Case]

I do not stoop to using demeaning terms. They are illegal aliens, nothing more.

Irony. You has it.

Why on Earth do you think dehumanizing them altogether is not demeaning?

Tacomonkeys is only slightly worse than what I just quoted.

 

[ARealConservative]

Irony. You has it.

Why on Earth do you think dehumanizing them altogether is not demeaning?

Tacomonkeys is only slightly worse than what I just quoted.

illegal alien is a term universally understood, and is not dehumanizing at all.

 

[xpiher]

Can't say that I am surprised.Only a liberal would think its a good idea to fix dinner for those trespassing onto your property.

Did you even read the OP? Probably not.

My question is why is the state involved? the program its going to use private money so why can't it be strictly private?

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[Tucker Case]

illegal alien is a term universally understood, and is not dehumanizing at all.

Saying they are "nothing more" than an illegal alien certainly dehumanizes them.

 

[ARealConservative]

Saying they are "nothing more" than an illegal alien certainly dehumanizes them.

in context, I take it as him explaining that he said nothing more then that they are illegal aliens.... The second sentence is an attempt to qualify the first. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't believe so.

I do not stoop to using demeaning terms. They are illegal aliens, nothing more.

 

[Tucker Case]

in context, I take it as him explaining that he said nothing more then that they are illegal aliens.... The second sentence is an attempt to qualify the first. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't believe so.

I do not stoop to using demeaning terms. They are illegal aliens, nothing more.

He might not have been trying to be demeaning, but he certainly accomplished it. Not to mention that just because something is "universally understood" it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning. And the thing is, the people who like to use the term "Illegal alien" know that people find it demeaning but they are too self-important to use the equally universally understood but not considered demeaning "undocumented immigrants" label. Adding "nothing more" to that term is absolutely demeaning and dehumanizing, regardless of what intention he had.

If he was actually being honest when he said he didn't stoop to demeaning terms, he would use "undocumented immigrants" instead of "Illegal aliens" and he certainly would not add "nothing more" to a negative label he applies to another human being.

But he wasn't being honest. He just doesn't want to be associated with the implied bigotry of the term "tacomonkeys" when it is used an anti-illegal immigration parody comment, whihc is what triggered his statement.

Now, he's free to dehumanize and demean them all he wants, but if he's doing so with his terminology then he doesn't really have any standing to say he doesn't stoop to demeaning terms. I know that there are people who want to cling to their dehumanizing, demeaning terminology who will refuse to recognize reality on this by saying things like "It's universally understood" but no matter how much they lie to themselves about it, it won't be the case. Is it socially acceptable in some circles? Sure. But that doesn't mean it isn't demeaning and dehumanizing.

 

[ARealConservative]

He might not have been trying to be demeaning, but he certainly accomplished it. Not to mention that just because something is "universally understood" it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning. And the thing is, the people who like to use the term "Illegal alien" know that people find it demeaning but they are too self-important to use the equally universally understood but not considered demeaning "undocumented immigrants" label. Adding "nothing more" to that term is absolutely demeaning and dehumanizing, regardless of what intention he had.

If he was actually being honest when he said he didn't stoop to demeaning terms, he would use "undocumented immigrants" instead of "Illegal aliens" and he certainly would not add "nothing more" to a negative label he applies to another human being.

But he wasn't being honest. He just doesn't want to be associated with the implied bigotry of the term "tacomonkeys" when it is used an anti-illegal immigration parody comment, whihc is what triggered his statement.

Now, he's free to dehumanize and demean them all he wants, but if he's doing so with his terminology then he doesn't really have any standing to say he doesn't stoop to demeaning terms. I know that there are people who want to cling to their dehumanizing, demeaning terminology who will refuse to recognize reality on this by saying things like "It's universally understood" but no matter how much they lie to themselves about it, it won't be the case. Is it socially acceptable in some circles? Sure. But that doesn't mean it isn't demeaning and dehumanizing.

anybody that took his words as insensitive is way too emotional to debate with in the first place.

 

[Tucker Case]

anybody that took his words as insensitive is way too emotional to debate with in the first place.

Interesting. Does it make it easier for you to pretend you're right about something by making up things about those you disagree with?

 

[ARealConservative]

Interesting. Does it make it easier for you to pretend you're right about something by making up things about those you disagree with?

I am right child. you just went off on a tangent crying about the term illegal alien, proving what your actual issue is.


edit - "undocumented workers" LMFAO. What about the percentage that don't work?

 

[Tucker Case]

I am right child. you just went off on a tangent crying about the term illegal alien, proving what your actual issue is.

I see that it does make it easier for you to pretend you are right.

What's also interesting is that you accuse others of being "way too emotional to debate with in the first place", yet you resort to direct insults instead of an actual argument. Do you think that this might actually be a case of you projecting your own issues onto others? Over-emotionality, I mean.

 

[ARealConservative]

I see that it does make it easier for you to pretend you are right.

What's also interesting is that you accuse others of being "way too emotional to debate with in the first place", yet you resort to direct insults instead of an actual argument. Do you think that this might actually be a case of you projecting your own issues onto others? Over-emotionality, I mean.

the term illegal alien is an accurate term to immediately understand what we are talking about.

your solution of undocumented worker is idiotic. It assumes they all work.

In no way is illegal alien offensive. This is akin to calling a black hole offensive

 

[Tucker Case]

the term illegal alien is an accurate term to immediately understand what we are talking about.

So is "redneck". But that doens't change the fact that it is demeaning and dehumanizing. Do you actually think that what you are saying is a rebuttal?

your solution of undocumented worker is idiotic.

Speaking of idiotic, when exactly did I say "worker"?

I bet your average undocumented immigrant has a literacy level adequate enough to differentiate between the words "immigrant" and "worker".

Why can't you?

In no way is illegal alien offensive.

You are not a competent judge of whether or not the term is demeaning and dehumanizing.

This is akin to calling a black hole offensive

If you completely disregard reason, logic, and common sense and replace them with a fantasy, unicorn tits and lolipops then yes, it is akin to that. If you keep logic, reason and common sense, however, they are totally different.

 

[Kal'Stang]

He might not have been trying to be demeaning, but he certainly accomplished it. Not to mention that just because something is "universally understood" it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning. And the thing is, the people who like to use the term "Illegal alien" know that people find it demeaning but they are too self-important to use the equally universally understood but not considered demeaning "undocumented immigrants" label. Adding "nothing more" to that term is absolutely demeaning and dehumanizing, regardless of what intention he had.

If he was actually being honest when he said he didn't stoop to demeaning terms, he would use "undocumented immigrants" instead of "Illegal aliens" and he certainly would not add "nothing more" to a negative label he applies to another human being.

But he wasn't being honest. He just doesn't want to be associated with the implied bigotry of the term "tacomonkeys" when it is used an anti-illegal immigration parody comment, whihc is what triggered his statement.

Now, he's free to dehumanize and demean them all he wants, but if he's doing so with his terminology then he doesn't really have any standing to say he doesn't stoop to demeaning terms. I know that there are people who want to cling to their dehumanizing, demeaning terminology who will refuse to recognize reality on this by saying things like "It's universally understood" but no matter how much they lie to themselves about it, it won't be the case. Is it socially acceptable in some circles? Sure. But that doesn't mean it isn't demeaning and dehumanizing.

"Undocumented immigrant" is a PC phrase meant to soften the fact that illegal aliens are here illegally and do not belong here. It implies that they have done absolutely nothing wrong and are just "misunderstood". There is nothing "dehumanizing" about using the term "illegal alien". It is just a statement of fact.

Illegal: not according to or authorized by law : unlawful, illicit; also: not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

Merriam-Webster: Definition of Illegal

Alien: relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government : foreign

Merriam-Webster: Definition of Alien

Now lets look at "undocumented immigrant".

a: not supported by documentary evidence <undocumented expenditures> b: lacking documents required for legal immigration or residence <undocumented workers>

Merriam-Webster: Definition of Undocumented

I find it interesting that with this word they have to add part B where as with the previous words they did not have to. Social engineering at work? Or just political correctness gone wild? Especially when you consider that the word "undocumented" by itself has NOTHING to do with illegal aliens. Indeed for part B to apply another word must come after the word "undocumented"...that being "alien" or "immigrant".

Immigrant: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

Merriam-Webster: Definition of immigrant

Not all illegal aliens that come to this country plan on staying in this country permanently. As such this word does not apply to all illegal aliens.

Going by these definitions the term "illegal aliens" is far more accurate than the term "undocumented immigrants".