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Naughty Nurse said:
As far as I know there are no vaccines for leprosy or dengue. I do sooo look forward to being proved wrong.
way to take a single detail of a very important arguement out of context so that you may feel a small victory in a discussion of a subject that has nothing to do with your entire country. ... the point was that the diseases have essentially been erradicated from this country... until illegal unquarantined immigrants bring them in, endangering the entire population of this country with exposures to horrible plague like diseases the civilized world has all but forgotten.
 
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You should know that self identified homosexuals like NaugthyNurse typically approve of illegal aliens because they tend to also vote liberal democratic party so their financial gravytrain continues, courtesy of the Democatic party, that is how they buy votes.
 

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Stherngntlmn said:
way to take a single detail of a very important arguement out of context so that you may feel a small victory in a discussion of a subject that has nothing to do with your entire country. ... the point was that the diseases have essentially been erradicated from this country... until illegal unquarantined immigrants bring them in, endangering the entire population of this country with exposures to horrible plague like diseases the civilized world has all but forgotten.
You can't blame him for doing that... it is how liberals argue.
 

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You can't blame him for doing that... it is how liberals argue.
And talking rubbish appears to be how conservatives argue.
 

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But the bottom line is:


If your beloved GWB won't make the necessary investment to adequately protect your borders, you will get these problems.

Too much money spent murdering innocent Iraqis?
 

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If your beloved GWB won't make the necessary investment to adequately protect your borders, you will get these problems.

Too much money spent murdering innocent Iraqis?
A: He's not beloved to me.
B:not everything revolves around Iraq.
C: It's because he's been told too many times by Rove to appease the hispanic masses with ideas of amnesty in order to gain a voter base through the fastest growing minority in this country. Instead of building an entirely new unconstitutional department of government (HSD), he should be throwing that money into building a 20 foot high voltage fense along our borders with guards posted at towers every half mile that are givin instructions to use lethal force on any individual half way up the fense or attempting o use a vehicle to gain access.

D: I don't even see why you're in this thread... you're an English Nurse who probably knows or understands absolutely nothing about the minutia involved in this issue. We as americans don't come to English political sites and try to comment on soccer, tea time, and europe's ever growing arabic overpopulation problems, but apparently somehow you feel qualified to comment to us on our domestic issues without having a shred of experience with them.
 

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Stherngntlmn said:
C: It's because he's been told too many times by Rove to appease the hispanic masses with ideas of amnesty in order to gain a voter base through the fastest growing minority in this country. Instead of building an entirely new unconstitutional department of government (HSD), he should be throwing that money into building a 20 foot high voltage fense along our borders with guards posted at towers every half mile that are givin instructions to use lethal force on any individual half way up the fense or attempting of use a vehicle to gain access.
Well lets don't go to far here guys. we don't want to kill people, or start a war with Mexico. Yes we do need to do alot more with out boarder control. There are other ways.COLOR]

I don't even see why you're in this thread... you're an English Nurse who probably knows or understands absolutely nothing about the minutia involved in this issue. We as americans don't come to English political sites and try to comment on soccer, tea time, and europe's ever growing arabic overpopulation problems, but apparently somehow you feel qualified to comment to us on our domestic issues without having a shred of experience with them.

Every one is here to express their pinion on how this effects the U.S.. Naughty Nurse it does seem to make me wonder why you have any opinion on this at all since you live in the UK? (in your profile) It seems that you are here to bash out politics. If thats your reason please go to another thread. this is a thread that I started and I don't appreciate it. DeMaxx
 

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Well lets don't go to far here guys. we don't want to kill people, or start a war with Mexico. Yes we do need to do alot more with out boarder control. There are other ways.
Mexico already started a war. You think these illegal immigrants are coming over here rebelliously? Mr. Fox openly supports their crossing the border. The mexican government provides pamphlets on how to sneak into our country. This is a government sponsored invasion, only instead of coming across all at one time with tanks, they come across in small bands with diseases, hoping to breed their way to victory. They sneak across the border, pop out "anchor" children, and actually breed their way in. In the process they carry over diseases, create entrance ways for possible terrorists, take billions out of the American economy, take away jobs, and expect the american tax payers to support their medical bills without question.

I most definately consider it war, it's not only a war which endangers our economy, health, and security, but our culture as well. Many of these immigrants refuse to learn english, and instead expect everything to be listed in their own language.

President Bush may sit on his texan as*s with arms open waving the illegals into the country, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or support it... his "amensty" proposal nearly cost him the reelection. did you notice that he stopped rambling about it 6 months before election day, then picked right up on it a month after he was reinaugurated. that's because over 75% of his base was furious about the subject, he lost many campeign donations and voters over it, but he didn't care, Rove told him that they needed hispanics votes, and he got them.
 

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galenrox said:
you realize that statement is right on the border between "opposed to illegal immigration" and "right wing nutbag who lives in the mountains of Wyoming with his militia preparing for world war 3" right?
name one thing I said wrong. I can backup every part of that statement.
 

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Naughty Nurse[/B] it does seem to make me wonder why you have any opinion on this at all since you live in the UK? (in your profile) It seems that you are here to bash out politics. If thats your reason please go to another thread. this is a thread that I started and I don't appreciate it. DeMaxx[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
Roughly translated that means that just like Stherngntlmn before you, you can't stand to see intelligent, challenging points of view like Naughty Nurse's as you're not intellectually capable of having people disagree with you. Go onto European political sites, and you'll see that people welcome debate from all sides, but visit a United Statesian site, and once you've got past the bible thumping, you're left with a bunch of intellectual weaklings who are too blinkered to consider outsiders' points of view.

Why did you start this thread? To have nothing but a load of fellow apple pie eaters pat you on the back and say "well said I agree"? Pathetic.
 

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Urethra Franklin said:
Roughly translated that means that just like Stherngntlmn before you, you can't stand to see intelligent, challenging points of view like Naughty Nurse's as you're not intellectually capable of having people disagree with you. Go onto European political sites, and you'll see that people welcome debate from all sides, but visit a United Statesian site, and once you've got past the bible thumping, you're left with a bunch of intellectual weaklings who are too blinkered to consider outsiders' points of view.

Why did you start this thread? To have nothing but a load of fellow apple pie eaters pat you on the back and say "well said I agree"? Pathetic.
I might not have railed about his inability to understand the issue if he had actually contributed anything pertinant to the issue at hand. You say he has intelligent, challenging points of view... well those views weren't shared by pulling a single detail out of context and claiming "woohoo... I enjoy being right" If he actually had something intelligent and related to contribute, I'm completely open to discussion.
 

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I Just read in TIME magazine where they are wanting to give in state tuition to illegal immigrates if they are attending college in the state where they are living!

Am I the only one that is seeing as very wrong? First these are people that are breaking the law being in the country illegally. There are ways to come to this country legally, and people that do so should be afforded every opportunity they can get.

People that come into this country illegally are plain and simply criminals. and should be given no rights as such. The government should be doing a better job of tracking these people down and removing them from the country.

1. They take jobs that people that are in the country legally, and citizens of this country deserve.
2. They use up our resources, gas, food, jobs, housing, and even get government aid that could be used to help citizens of the U.S..
3. It hurts national security not knowing who has entered the country.

It's a growing problem, that one hand is saying we need to help these people, and the other hand is ignoring it hoping it will go away.

Let us think of it this way. Someone that illegally enters the country. There must be a reason for that, or they would have went through proper channels to enter. Is that someone that we really want in our country to begin with? DeMaxx

Now would you like to have an educated illegal or an uneducated illegal that gets involved in gangs and crimes? The illegals that are going to college were forced by there parents to come here, so it is not all their fault they are here illegally.
I do not like the fact that we, the tax payers, have to pay for tuition for someone that is here illegally and shouldn't be here at all.
The educated illegals actually want to do something with their lives. If I lived in Mexico and couldn't become a legal American citizen, HECK! I'm coming here illegally. Wouldn't you?
 

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How about the part of Mexico STARTING A WAR! They come here because Mexico sucks, and Mexico knows that Mexico sucks!
And if they really intended to breed us out, do you really think that they'd resist learning english? It's hard to seduce women who don't speak the same ****ing language!
I'd say invading a country for parasitic purposes is can be construed as an act of war ...and that's exactly what it is. There are legal channels that they have the opportunity to go through if they believe their country sucks so bad. Those same legal channels are what protect us from the diseases and overpopulation. Why do they have to learn english to seduce women? do mexican women not reproduce? http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/local/11850807.htm I'd say they're doing a fine job of reproducing without english.

Hispanics are fastest-growing minority

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WASHINGTON - Hispanics accounted for half the 2.9 million U.S. population growth from 2003 to 2004 and now constitute one-seventh of all people in the United States.

A Census Bureau report issued Thursday said that trend probably will continue because of immigration and a Hispanic birth rate outstripping non-Hispanic blacks and whites.

The agency estimated there are 41.3 million Hispanics in the U.S. The bureau does not ask about legal status so its numbers are intended to include everyone.

The population growth for Asians ran a close second. Increases in both groups are due largely to immigration, but also higher birth rates, said Lewis W. Goodman, an American University expert on U.S.-Latin American relations.

"If we didn't have those elements, we would be moving into a situation like Japan and Europe ... where the populations are graying in a way that is very alarming and endangering their productivity and endangering even their social security systems," he said.

Most immigrants to the U.S. tend to arrive in their 20s, when many people have children. A far greater percentage of whites than Hispanics is 65 or older; the opposite is true of those under 18.

Immigration has become a volatile issue in Congress and border states, as well as in Georgia and other places where there has been a surge in new arrivals. Critics say lax enforcement of immigration laws has allowed millions of people to enter the U.S. illegally, take jobs from legal residents and drain social services.

The Hispanic growth rate for the 12 months starting July 2003 was 3.6 percent compared with the overall population growth of 1 percent.

The growth rate was 3.4 percent for Asians, 1.7 percent for native Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders, 1.3 percent for blacks, 1 percent for American Indians and Alaska natives, and 0.8 percent for whites.

That meant that at the beginning of July last year, the population was an estimated 294 million with the following racial and ethnic breakdown: 240 million whites, 39.2 million blacks, 14 million Asians, 4.4 million native Indians and Alaskans, and 980,000 native Hawaiians and other islanders.

The numbers for all races and ethnic groups do not add up to the total because 4.4 million people listed themselves as having more than one race.

The Census Bureau counts "Hispanic" or "Latino" as an ethnicity rather than a race, so Hispanics can be of any race. The population of non-Hispanic whites indicating no other race increased just 0.3 percent in the past year, to 197.8 million.

"Looking toward the future, we see a different face of the U.S. population," said Audrey Singer, an immigration and census specialist at the Brookings Institution. "But I don't think that's necessarily new. It's a confirmation that this hasn't stopped or changed much."

The size of the Hispanic population and, to a lesser extent, the Asian population, rose in nearly every state over the 1990s. Also, the Census Bureau projected last year that whites and minority groups overall would be roughly equal in size by 2050.

"Sometimes this is portrayed as a problem for the United States - that the ethnic composition of the country is changing and that new people are coming to take jobs," said Goodman, dean of American University's School of International Service.

"My view is just the opposite: increased fertility of young people makes the (social) structure one that is more sustaining of economic production and enables older people to be in a culture where their retirements can be financed."

The Census Bureau estimates population change using annual data on births, deaths and international migration.
 

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galenrox said:
So let me get this straight, you're saying that their prefered method of breeding us out of our own country is to breed with each other? BRILLIANT! Hey, me and my girlfriend are breeding the other people out of our appartment building! The whole concept of breeding someone out of somewhere is to sleep with the women and men until there is just as much you in there as there is them in there, and you can't really do that by sleeping with each other.
we live in a democratic republic... once mexicans have bred themselves into a majority, they will run the country regardless of who they sleep with.

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There are legal channels, but they are hard, and take a long time, and people don't want the hassle. If you're concerned about their disease, just stop ******* and moaning about them getting medical care.
it's not about medical care... name one hospital that is properly trained on treating and preventing the spread of polio. Many children aren't even given the polio vaccine until they are forced to by schools. A passing illegal on the street could infect several infants just by pausing at the same corner and conversing with the parents.

galenrox said:
And they aren't coming here to be parasitic
When your country doesn't have resources so you go to another country to use those resources without offering anything positive in return... I'd consider that parasitic

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and this is definately NOT an organized or even planned out event,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1319543/posts
When a government prints up a manual on how to illegally cross a border into another country, then inserts that manual into comic books and passes it out to the poor sections of their country... I'd call that bit of planning and organization.

galenrox said:
these are people, their lives suck where they are, they see their lives will suck less if they go elsewhere, and so they go elsewhere,
that's parasitic
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and only a right wing nut job could possibly interpret that as an act of war.

Want me to start looking for secluded Wyoming mountain property for you and your militia there?
Way to go with the insults... call me a right wing nutjob if you want... but it doesn't make my words any less true
 

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Stherngntlmn said:
D: I don't even see why you're in this thread... you're an English Nurse who probably knows or understands absolutely nothing about the minutia involved in this issue.
Interesting comment from someone who is using totally inaccurate medical "information" to try and convince people to share his view.


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We as americans don't come to English political sites and try to comment on soccer, tea time, and europe's ever growing arabic overpopulation problems, but apparently somehow you feel qualified to comment to us on our domestic issues without having a shred of experience with them.
This site apparently is open to all - if you want to man the virtual border against us pesky foreigners I suggest that you have a word with Vauge.

But in the meantime, how fascinating that you feel you can comment on gay marriage when you obviously do not understand the issues and the matter doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever. Can anyone say: double standards?

However, to prevent you and your buddy from throwing your toys out of your pram I shall keep my nose out of this thread.
 

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Interesting comment from someone who is using totally inaccurate medical "information" to try and convince people to share his view.
whether or not those diseases had vaccines had nothing to do with the point that they were virtually erradicted from this country. The miswording on my part was not intentional, nor do I think that specific medical information on treatments of those diseases had any effect on convincing anyone.




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This site apparently is open to all - if you want to man the virtual border against us pesky foreigners I suggest that you have a word with Vauge.
I never said it wasn't. I just questioned your interest in political topics based in a country you do not reside in as well as your accuracy of information involved in the domestic application of those topics.

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But in the meantime, how fascinating that you feel you can comment on gay marriage when you obviously do not understand the issues and the matter doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever. Can anyone say: double standards?
As an American, I would most definitely be affected. I also probably have more insight than you into the legal issues surrounding the subject in my own country.

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However, to prevent you and your buddy from throwing your toys out of your pram I shall keep my nose out of this thread.
by all means feel free to comment if you have a rational comment related towards illegal immigration in the US
 

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As far as you and your militia, I call them as I see them. I really wouldn't suprised if you were writting this **** from a cabin in Wyoming with your militia.
Actually I'm writing it from Richmond, Va. If you'll refer to the first article I posted regarding some of the diseases illegal immgrants bring in, you'll see that this subject hits close to home for me as those diseases are on the rise in my home state because of illegal immigration.
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The government very well may give them pamphlets on how to sneak into America. Still doesn't make it a planned act of war.
in your opinion

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And come to think of it, they vote the same way you do, so why are you bitching about this?
they're political platforms are of no concern to me, i would never put political elections before the health, saftey, and economy of my country.

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I know lots of illegal immigrants. They are good, hard working people, and I can't think of any values more American than working hard and trying your best to be a good person. More than I can say about you!
I said nothing about their work ethic, any mention of it would be nothing more than a stereotype, and totally irrelevant to the issues I listed. You know nothing about my work ethic. I was on my academic bowl team in high school, graduated with honors, made all state football team, attended one of the most prestigious universities in the US, and was senior network admin for a multi-million dollar company at 20 years old. I payed for my school. I worked my way through school. I made myself what I am today.

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So let's just get rid of sick people, right? People with diseases, just kick them out of America. ****ing ridiculous.
No, get rid of illegal immigrants.. those who choose to start their life in this country by spitting in the face of it's very laws.
 
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Please, do tell, how so?
I'd be affected because the government that I finacially support would be bending to the clout of 4% of the population to twist an institution I hold near and dear for the sake of political correctness.

I know more about the legal issues surrounding it because I've actually taken courses totally dedicated to the comprehension of the United States Constitution, and I've studied my state's constitutional amendments on the subject.
 

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i have no problem with immigrants coming into the counrty and making a liveing. the problem i have are for the illegal immigrants. i feel sorry for those who come into this country, do everything they can to become a legal citizen and then have to turn around and see the person next to them who didnt do a damn thing. since i live in southern california and about 45 mins. from the mexican boreder, i see it everyday. do i hold a grudge against them... no. the only thing i ask of them if they dont want to become a legal citizen is to learn english. i work at a country feed store and i am in the animal section where i sell at least 50 chickens and ducks and any other farm animal a day. i dont know any spanish and that is a major cut back because no one i work with knows any spanish either. i know i probebly took it off subject but thats just how i feel.
 

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They have no effect on our safety, and I think you're just being a jerk about the health thing, and actually the only reason why there are any manufacturing jobs still in America are because there are illegal immigrants willing to work at competitive wages.
God forbid I "be a jerk about the health thing" I guess it is mean of me to bring up the fact that illegal aliens bring disease into this country.

By the way... one of the main reasons manufacturing jobs are leaving this country is NAFTA, started by GHWB and supported by WJC...

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I said it more about you trying to be a good person. You're right, I know nothing of your work ethic.
now how would my political commentary identify whether or not I was a good person? I haven't insulted anyone. I merely stated the emphasis I place on border security policy and the problems the lax security currently causes. I think you're making deep assumptions here just because you disagree with a few of my viewpoints.

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I wouldn't call it spitting in the face of its laws. Violating, yes, but if there was a way to do it legally that would be accessable, I'm sure they'd do that. And I say let them stay, in my experience they've only made this country a better place.
It's not the only accessable way, that's the point. In my experience they haven't... so it seems we're at an impass.
 

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I believe quite strongly that the measure of a person is how they treat people worse off then themselves. You're viewpoints state an opinion that those worse off than you should be locked out, and forced to watch from the outside how nice things are in here.
My viewpoint is that the laws need to be enforced because they are there for a reason. I have no problem offering help people who aren't criminals, and do so frequently of my own accord.
 

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Urethra Franklin said:
Roughly translated that means that just like Stherngntlmn before you, you can't stand to see intelligent, challenging points of view like Naughty Nurse's as you're not intellectually capable of having people disagree with you. Go onto European political sites, and you'll see that people welcome debate from all sides, but visit a United Statesian site, and once you've got past the bible thumping, you're left with a bunch of intellectual weaklings who are too blinkered to consider outsiders' points of view.

Why did you start this thread? To have nothing but a load of fellow apple pie eaters pat you on the back and say "well said I agree"? Pathetic.
No! I want intelligent debate on here and I welcome it. Comments like this.

If your beloved GWB won't make the necessary investment to adequately protect your borders, you will get these problems.

Too much money spent murdering innocent Iraqis?
I'd like to know what that statement has to with this thread? nothing that I can see. It also seem that everyone is thinking just Mexicans. I'm sorry but there are countries with illegal immigrates here. True Mexico has the most.

I stand by my statement that we can't go out killing illegal immigrates. or electrocuting them at the boarder with an electric fence.

The name of this thread is Illegal Immigrates rights? I don't beleive that anyone that comes to this country illegally has any rights such as in state tuition. They are here illegally and should be treated as such.

Illegal imigrates from all countries, that are staying here in the U.S. are creating problems, and are a drain on our resources. Since starting this thread I have read enough articles and web pages, that I learned even more of what a problem it has become.

Go onto European political sites, and you'll see that people welcome debate from all sides, but visit a United Statesian site, and once you've got past the bible thumping, you're left with a bunch of intellectual weaklings who are too blinkered to consider outsiders' points of view.
I have no problem at all with people that disagree with me. A true debate is where parties make their point of view and have facts to back up there point of view,and share those facts. I do how ever have a problem with people that come in make off the wall comments on a subject. My analogy would be like someone writing a book on how it feels to live through a hurricane when they live in Minnesota and have never been near a hurricane. If you want to know it feels to live through a hurricane ask someone that lives in Florida not Minnesota.

I see so many threads where people just come in to start an argument. If thats someones reason. Then thats not intelligent and i don't welcome it. DeMaxx
 

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Does anyone else realzie that they do the jobs that we would never want to do? Honestly, they are the busboys, they are the cherry pickers (bad expression, you know what I mean). Or do you think Americans would want to do this for minimum wage.
Then wouldn't the thing to do be to apply for said job, and let the company petition the government for a work visa... as that is the law of the land? regardless of the jobs they do, if they do not have the proper paperwork, aren't they still breaking the law?
 

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galenrox said:
As far as you and your militia, I call them as I see them. I really wouldn't suprised if you were writting this **** from a cabin in Wyoming with your militia.
The government very well may give them pamphlets on how to sneak into America. Still doesn't make it a planned act of war.
And come to think of it, they vote the same way you do, so why are you bitching about this?
I know lots of illegal immigrants. They are good, hard working people, and I can't think of any values more American than working hard and trying your best to be a good person. More than I can say about you!
So let's just get rid of sick people, right? People with diseases, just kick them out of America. ****ing ridiculous.

I know plenty of illegals, as well. some are decent, some well... I'll just leave it at that. However... one word out of 2 is still illegal. Last time I checked... illegal immigration to this country is wrong. Being undocumented and working in this country is against our laws. Need we revisit the Elian Gonzalez case again? Need we dig up the many politician's who've received a public black eye because of having illegal's doing various house chores? It's an issue that needs dealt with.

My great-great grandparents showed up on these shores shortly before 1920. They did EVERYTHING required of them to earn their citizenship. Is it that hard a concept? No one is DENYING them citizenship into this country... IF they do it the right way. There's a right and wrong... you can either follow the law, or not. Not following the law is grounds for deportation.
 
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