I feel sorry for fools, but some fools get what they got coming, if they are THAT easily fooled.I'm reading the OP in a different way than perhaps other people are. I voted yes, which is not at all to say that what the insurrectionists did is forgivable since their standard of evidence is "Whatever trump told me" or "whatever the last thing that popped into my head was."
The way I read it is in how trump's incitement to violence was so meaningful, since the lie he, republican leaders and right wing media told their audience was so fantastically incendiary. And that's why it's such a miscarriage of justice that the insurrectionists are arrested while their leader gets off scott free.
Pretty revolting post.you said IT WAS stolen, so revolution is justified, so I am waiting for you to show your manhood, don some horns, storm a government building, steal a laptop, and pose for selfies so the FBI can find you, OR are you saying you want OTHERS the to do revolting for you?
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well if you plan to be at the next revolution, let me know, I will get out the popcorn and beer.Pretty revolting post.
I wanted to go. Trump supporters were hunted at the last DC rally. Wife wouldn't let me, flew over DC rather than drove on the 6th. You don't want to see when revolution is the only resort.
The next "revolution" won't last a few hours. Your going to want to prep. Beer and popcorn shouldn't be high on your list.well if you plan to be at the next revolution, let me know, I will get out the popcorn and beer.
Now there's a dude who aged well.And Gandalf. I call him too. I'd totally be like Gandalf except the demon thing wouldn't drag me down for a while.
Never say never. It almost did happen, despite the complete absence of proof. What happened on January 6 was an attempt of a violent overthrow of our government. If the next one to attempt it is a more competent and stronger leader than Trump, which is not really all that hard to imagine, he or she might well succeed where Trump failed.OTHER
If there were actual proof I think the courts would step in and make things right. That didn't happen in 2020 because there wasn't any proof. Violent overthrow our government can never be the solution and I don't think it could ever happen
Waaahhh, my wife wouldn't let me!Pretty revolting post.
I wanted to go. Trump supporters were hunted at the last DC rally. Wife wouldn't let me, flew over DC rather than drove on the 6th. You don't want to see when revolution is the only resort.
WHAT I AM NOT ASKING: I am not asking to relitigate the 2020 Presidential Election. This is purely a philosophical discussion of what you think would be justified if you believed a Presidential election was stolen.
The events of January 6, 2021 are what have spurred me to ask this question, what would be justified if a political party managed to do the seemingly-impossible? If you believed* that a political party of either persuasion connived to undermine our state and national electoral processes to the point where they were able to steal a Presidential election for their candidate, with the apparent collusion of the Courts, would a revolution against the illegitimately-elected (or indeed, unelected) government be justified? Especially if you believed that this political party might have the ability to cheat again in the future, and never be able to legitimately lose an election at the local, state and federal level. But this of course would be done with the understanding that such a revolution might lead to the irreversible breakdown of the country and a civil war that could cost the lives of untold thousands of fellow citizens. Would you nevertheless be driven to revolt?
WHAT I AM NOT ASKING: I am not asking to relitigate the 2020 Presidential Election. This is purely a philosophical discussion of what you think would be justified if you believed a Presidential election was stolen.
*When I say "belief," I mean that you have proof necessary to cause you to believe that the election was stolen.
Waaahhh, my wife wouldn't let me!What a warrior! Rambo you are not.
I, like 99.9% of those that attended did not go to fight. We went to support our country, our president. Violence was inevitable based on history with "counter protests". (Are you proud of that?)
Rambo I am not. I am though happily married to a wonderful woman 40 years together. As much as I would have liked to jump in a car and drive 3500 miles to hear Trump out of respect for her I did not. Turns out my wife was more attuned than those in charge of security for the Capitol.
Much more than belief would be required, there must be absolute proof. I'm not sure what would constitute absolute proof, I guess it would be likeThe events of January 6, 2021 are what have spurred me to ask this question, what would be justified if a political party managed to do the seemingly-impossible? If you believed* that a political party of either persuasion connived to undermine our state and national electoral processes to the point where they were able to steal a Presidential election for their candidate, with the apparent collusion of the Courts, would a revolution against the illegitimately-elected (or indeed, unelected) government be justified? Especially if you believed that this political party might have the ability to cheat again in the future, and never be able to legitimately lose an election at the local, state and federal level. But this of course would be done with the understanding that such a revolution might lead to the irreversible breakdown of the country and a civil war that could cost the lives of untold thousands of fellow citizens. Would you nevertheless be driven to revolt?
WHAT I AM NOT ASKING: I am not asking to relitigate the 2020 Presidential Election. This is purely a philosophical discussion of what you think would be justified if you believed a Presidential election was stolen.
*When I say "belief," I mean that you have proof necessary to cause you to believe that the election was stolen.
Perhaps the poll question should have been worded a little differently, to make it clear that the election was stolen as opposed to a belief.I am asking this question with the presumption that you have the proof you would need to truly believe it was stolen.
The problem is that each opposing side always believes they are on the right side of the argument. It's how things deteriorate to the point of war. Each side believes they have the moral high ground, each side believes they are justified.
In your scenario, are the legislature and the courts willing participants, or are they an available remedy? Is the military involved?When you say "the government" what do you mean? Because in the scenario I present, the government would have been undemocratically taken over by an illegitimate President. Do you mean another branch of the Federal government (such as the legislature), or the state/local governments?
Me too. I'm old, out of shape, and have a couple medical issues, so I really don.t see me down in the trenches, fighting the good fight.i'm too busy and old to revolution. plus, i don't really like being in close proximity to that many people. i'll tell you what i will do, though. i'll sit around on message boards in my spare minutes and make fun of the whole thing in ways that make me laugh.
This makes me think of the election of 1960. It was claimed that JFK won because the Dems stuffed the ballot boxes in Cook County. But for the sake of the country, Nixon conceded.
The Republicans had a solid case, however, later, some Republicans said they did the same thing down state, but the Dems just did it better.
So the bottom line is that such things go on on both sides. No one's hands are clean. The peaceful transfer of power is essential for a democracy to survive. If cheating is exposed, it should be fixed so it can't happen again. A violent revolt over the results is no guarantee that democracy will survive.
So then you are a revolutionary, and a believer in the cause, but your wife held you back? Glad the founders didn't have that problem.Pretty revolting post.
I wanted to go. Trump supporters were hunted at the last DC rally. Wife wouldn't let me, flew over DC rather than drove on the 6th. You don't want to see when revolution is the only resort.
So then you are a revolutionary, and a believer in the cause, but your wife held you back? Glad the founders didn't have that problem.
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