"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No.. he meant it, an objective vetting of Obama shows his socialist, commie belief system...this is nothing to new to anyone who knows who this fraud really is..

Travis. You are a communist and you hate our country. Why do you hate America? Why are you trying to destroy it?!!! Why?!!!!

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

you know, I just re-read the quote.

and gosh darn it, it is actually possible that Obama was indeed saying what they are accusing him of saying.

Im sure he didn't mean it the way they are making it out to mean, but he may have indeed said it.

huh....

Which part of the quote did you read. Post it, as I am curious how you came to this conclusion. It is quite clear to me that when he says "you didn't build that", he is referring to the bridges and roads. It's actually quite clear.

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

uh-oh. I sense that a Conservative circlejerk is just about to invade these boards! I think I'll grab my vomit bucket now.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The stats I quoted, nonetheless, hold true. Spin 'em how you want.
Proof please, that 70% of all unemployment and disability is collected by libs. Where is your evidence for this claim? I want to see it. If you can't produce it, you are nothing but a talker with no substance behind your words. Everyone I know in my community that is on unemployment or on liability is a conservative Republican. I'm not making that up!

No. They do not hold true. A "small business" that makes no money, and has but one employee, the "owner", is not relative in any way to this issue. Obama is wanting to raise taxes on the job creators.

Why ? To lower his incredible deficits by 3% per year ? That's just ****ing great. That'll fix everything.

Class envy scumbaggery. That is all this is. That is all this massive failure of a President has. Like all things Obama, he takes a bad situation, and makes it worse.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

uh-oh. I sense that a Conservative circlejerk is just about to invade these boards! I think I'll grab my vomit bucket now.

Probably right next to the BS bucket.

 

[Born Free]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Which part of the quote did you read. Post it, as I am curious how you came to this conclusion. It is quite clear to me that when he says "you didn't build that", he is referring to the bridges and roads. It's actually quite clear.

Oh it is, it's not to me. You on the left will make any excuse to cover for Obama. Obama will make any excuse to cover for Obama. Obama I understand is a collage professor, and the least you could do is say he worded his comments wrongly. But coming from a professor he made his comments clear to me, "if you own a business you did not build it". It's Obama's clear agenda of a total government controlled society. A Marxist society.

 

[kamikaze483]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

He was referring to roads and bridges. Get a brain and come back at a later date.

Once again, if he were referring to roads and bridges, he would have said "them" instead of "that."

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Which part of the quote did you read. Post it, as I am curious how you came to this conclusion. It is quite clear to me that when he says "you didn't build that", he is referring to the bridges and roads. It's actually quite clear.

Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together

I think Obama was clearly trying to say that almost everything took help, from the internet, to bridges, to roads, to successful people, to business-owners.

Obama was saying that we ALL got help creating what we have, including business-owners.

Now, it looks like he used a poor choice of words that doesn't reflect his actual point. "You didn't build that", is counter to his point that we all got help, which means that we were part of the process ALONG WITH the help that we got.

So, I don't think he was saying that business-owners had no influence in their success, but they worked WITH help.

Unfortunately his choice of words was poor, and Conservatives are hounding him for his poor choice of words...and not his actual point.

so while technically he did appear to say what they are hounding him for, they are clearly ignoring his message. and that is still dishonest.

just less dishonest than I originally thought.

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Once again, if he were referring to roads and bridges, he would have said "them" instead of "that."

do you acknowledge that his whole point is that we don't succeed alone, but with help?

do you acknowledge that he wasnt' really trying to accuse business-owners of having no influence on the success of their business, but simply made a poor choice of words that doesn't reflect his clear message?

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No. They do not hold true. A "small business" that makes no money, and has but one employee, the "owner", is not relative in any way to this issue. Obama is wanting to raise taxes on the job creators.

Why ? To lower his incredible deficits by 3% per year ? That's just ****ing great. That'll fix everything.

Class envy scumbaggery. That is all this is. That is all this massive failure of a President has. Like all things Obama, he takes a bad situation, and makes it worse.

Don't pretend that the end of the world is coming if a few of the very wealthiest business owner have to pay a bit more in taxes. They are currently paying close to historical lows and I think it perfectly reasonable that with all of the people are suffering, that we expect those who are succeeding to pay a bit more.
If there were evidence that raising taxes caused the wealthy to stop creating jobs, then I would not support a tax increase for them. Unfortunately for you argument, however, the raising of taxes is actually often followed by economic growth. There is simply no statistical evidence that raising taxes on the wealthy damages economic growth. Keep believing it though, if that is what allows you to get worked up into the fits of rage and indignation that you so seem to enjoy!

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together

I think Obama was clearly trying to say that almost everything took help, from the internet, to bridges, to roads, to successful people, to business-owners.

Obama was saying that we ALL got help creating what we have, including business-owners.

Now, it looks like he used a poor choice of words that doesn't reflect his actual point. "You didn't build that", is counter to his point that we all got help, which means that we were part of the process ALONG WITH the help that we got.

So, I don't think he was saying that business-owners had no influence in their success, but they worked WITH help.

Unfortunately his choice of words was poor, and Conservatives are hounding him for his poor choice of words...and not his actual point.

so while technically he did appear to say what they are hounding him for, they are clearly ignoring his message. and that is still dishonest.

just less dishonest than I originally thought.

Unfortunately, that is a lot of what politics is about these days. Wait for your opponent to make a gaffe or say something that you can take out of context or spin and run with it. If you repeat it enough times a certain percentage of the population will eventually believe it.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together

I think Obama was clearly trying to say that almost everything took help, from the internet, to bridges, to roads, to successful people, to business-owners.

Obama was saying that we ALL got help creating what we have, including business-owners.

Now, it looks like he used a poor choice of words that doesn't reflect his actual point. "You didn't build that", is counter to his point that we all got help, which means that we were part of the process ALONG WITH the help that we got.

So, I don't think he was saying that business-owners had no influence in their success, but they worked WITH help.

Unfortunately his choice of words was poor, and Conservatives are hounding him for his poor choice of words...and not his actual point.

so while technically he did appear to say what they are hounding him for, they are clearly ignoring his message. and that is still dishonest.

just less dishonest than I originally thought.

This is the same guy that has been demonizing the "rich" since he started campaigning in 2007. Hes saying they didnt earn their success, hes cheapening it, demeaning their efforts and sacrifices. Its as obtuse to American values as anything thats ever come out of a candidates mouth. He doesnt understand success, he understands how to tax it and he thinks he can subsidize failures into successes. He does not get it and this speech illustrated that in his own words much more clearly than anything his opponent could put in an ad.

"The private sector is fine"
"We have to spread the wealth around"
"Eventually you have made enough money"
"You didn't build that"

He's revealing exactly who he is.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Don't pretend that the end of the world is coming if a few of the very wealthiest business owner have to pay a bit more in taxes. They are currently paying close to historical lows and I think it perfectly reasonable that with all of the people are suffering, that we expect those who are succeeding to pay a bit more.
If there were evidence that raising taxes caused the wealthy to stop creating jobs, then I would not support a tax increase for them. Unfortunately for you argument, however, the raising of taxes is actually often followed by economic growth. There is simply no statistical evidence that raising taxes on the wealthy damages economic growth. Keep believing it though, if that is what allows you to get worked up into the fits of rage and indignation that you so seem to enjoy!

What madness ! What part if it won't matter one hill of beans to solving any problem do you not understand ? Our deficits are $1.2 trillion per year. This raises $30-50 billion per year, if it has no residual downside, which it will. So just WTF does this fix ? Meanwhile, Obama disregards his own Simpson-Bowles Commission, which recommended even further lowering of every bracket, but also a closing of loopholes, so that tax revenues increased, ala Reagan. And three times that much reduction in spending.

What do you not ****ing understand about this ? Why are you so apparently ignorant to the net results, or lack of them, with Obama and this BS rhetoric ? This is one massive idiocy, of the idiots, by the idiots, and for Obama. That's it !! Its a pursuit of stupid assholes.

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

1. Letting the Bush tax cuts expire then passing tax cuts on those with incomes below 250k will hit small businesses hard. Especially LLPs and LLCs.
2. He talks over and over about how the state is key to success in the US. This speech embodies that.
3. Recent polling data indicates that 77% of people think small business owners work harder than most. This speech reeks of "fair share" arguments.
4. He cannot balance the budget without raising taxes and has moved the goal posts on what the limit is for "rich", ACA alone will be a gigantic tax hike.
5. We have NEVER had a federal program cut below the previous year operating budget. Cut the rate of growth, but actual cuts? No.
6. He doesnt understand the risk because hes never faced it. Until you do it, its pretty hard to appreciate it. This entire speech stank to high heaven of chiding business owners for not wanting to pay more to the state. Its his MO, has been since hes been a politician, social justice through wealth redistribution was one of his favorite talking points before he became a senator. Im from Illinois, I know this assholes record, apparently you dont.
7. Chrysler and GM TARP bailouts ring any bells? How about upending first lien law? How about EPA regs that are shutting down coal? Its not just taxes, the power to regulate a business to death amounts to the same thing. The state will do what it wants, when it wants.

Im not hitting you with a ton of arguments, Im giving you about 7 No wall of text rebuttal for you, keep it brief.

I will debate you on any subject any time you want. I wish this place had a debate challenge forum, because I'd smash you in it. But currently, you are just making off topic posts and responding to them to masturbate yourself. If you'd like to really debate about something, feel free to post something on topic.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Don't pretend that the end of the world is coming if a few of the very wealthiest business owner have to pay a bit more in taxes. They are currently paying close to historical lows and I think it perfectly reasonable that with all of the people are suffering, that we expect those who are succeeding to pay a bit more.
If there were evidence that raising taxes caused the wealthy to stop creating jobs, then I would not support a tax increase for them. Unfortunately for you argument, however, the raising of taxes is actually often followed by economic growth. There is simply no statistical evidence that raising taxes on the wealthy damages economic growth. Keep believing it though, if that is what allows you to get worked up into the fits of rage and indignation that you so seem to enjoy!

Raising taxes on the rich is like asking your employer for a 3% raise while you accumulate 10% more debt year after year. Getting a raise isn't the priority in a scenario like this. Stopping the insane spending is.

 

[johnny_rebson]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Raising taxes on the rich is like asking your employer for a 3% raise while you accumulate 10% more debt year after year. Getting a raise isn't the priority in a scenario like this. Stopping the insane spending is.

Remember the liberals here think the 15 percent capital gains tax isn't high enough.

 

[Darrell]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

To be honest, his actual point wasn't much better.

Why do you think that?

 

[Dagger]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I will admit that he was referring to Americas Infrastructure. Bridges, roads, etc. It was a flub on Obamas part. That actually surprised me as hes usually pretty good about not flubbing. HOWEVER, the main idea of his speech was that bushiness owners had the help of others when it comes to the success of there business's, and a large part of the business's success is not to the credit of the business owner. This is incredibly anti business on Obamas part, and even though it was a flub, his speech had the same idea as what he said when he flubbed, and I think it really showed Obamas true colors. Sure, teachers and infrastructure help business owners become successful, but who pays for teachers and infrastructure? TAXPAYERS. Are business owners taxpayers? Yes.

 

[Darrell]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

What did you expect from a communist like Barack Hussein?

Do you even know what communism is?

 

[Muhammed]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

There are roads near unsuccessful businesses too. So who's fault is it when those businesses fail?

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

There are roads near unsuccessful businesses too. So who's fault is it when those businesses fail?

Once more slowly....

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

 

[Born Free]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Once more slowly....

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Oh really and when a business fails we do that together as well. Right.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh really and when a business fails we do that together as well. Right.

That's correct, in the sense that pensions may be guaranteed, employees may require public assistance, courts may be needed to unwind the business, SBA loans may be defaulted, etc.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I will debate you on any subject any time you want. I wish this place had a debate challenge forum, because I'd smash you in it. But currently, you are just making off topic posts and responding to them to masturbate yourself. If you'd like to really debate about something, feel free to post something on topic.

You havent tried to debate at all and you never really do. Im presenting my views of what was said in that speech and how it impacts on other things Obama has done in his administration. Its on topic, its just not the liberal narrative of that speech. If you feel its off topic, you know exactly what to do.

 

[Luna Tick]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

This just in. Obama was quoted as saying:

If you hold out a hammer and let go of it, it falls to the ground because of gravity.

Right-wing talk show pundits responded:

This is proof that Obama's a commie! He was talking about a hammer as in a hammer and sickle! Then he talked about how he wanted that commie hammer to drag you to the ground. Such a pinko commie commie commie!

The left-wing pundits responded:

You misinterpreted that. He was just talking about Newton's theory of gravity.

Right-wing pundits responded:

Liberal socialist communist apologist!

Obama also said:

It's great if a business is successful. We want people to take the initiative and the risk to succeed. However, there are some things they did not do. Instead, we did those things together such as building roads and bridges.

The right:

Pinko socialist commie Muslim! He just said people didn't build their own businesses!!