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If you find gay/trans perverted, why?

Crakhobarbie said:
The prostate works in some not so mysterious ways.
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Indeed.

Becoming sexualy aroused while pooping is normal for the men who do, It could be misconstrued as the opposite for a teen boy, especially if he tells a friend and his friend freaks out and calls him gay.

Its kinda like the penis size complex.
 
devildavid said:
That’s good, because no one is factually forcing them to do that.
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Having scholarships taken away if they do not comply is not forcing?

Authoritarian misogynists sure say the funniest things.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
You know, you have a dictionary built into every search engine, right?
By definition, an "obsession" would likely involve a compulsive and uncontrollable preoccupation with sexual thoughts and urges, as well as behaviors that are excessive and interfere with other aspects of life.
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There's a whole lot more to life than being male or female. And happiness should not depend on what sex you happen to be. If a person enjoys behaving as the opposite sex, that's fine with me. But if that's their primary focus in life, and if they cannot be happy any other way, then they need to find more purpose IMO. Do you think Mother Theresa cared whether she was male or female? I enjoy being male. But if I happened to be female, no big deal - I could have the same profession, hobbies, etc no matter which sex I was biologically.
So yes, if being a particular sex is so important to someone that they cannot find happiness any other way, then I call that an "obsession". If you're just trying to engage in semantical quibbling, then just call it something else. Not all trans people are that obsessed. They simply prefer living as the opposite sex, but it is not necessary for their happiness. A few OTOH are so obsessed with being the opposite sex that their whole life revolves around that one thing.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
What the what?

I think we may have a bot going' on here.
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I always check the box that says "I am not a robot".
Can a bot do that? And if a bot can check that box then what's the sense in even having the box in the first place? Think about it.
 
noonereal said:
Reading comprehension much of an issue?

Seems so.
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Dishonesty

He trolls me by claiming I said the opposite of what I actually said and then attacks me based on what he made up.
 
Gardener said:
Dishonesty

He trolls me by claiming I said the opposite of what I actually said and then attacks me based on what he made up.
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I merely point out what your comments imply, then call you on it.
Your inability to validate your own comments, thats on you.
 
Gardener said:
Having scholarships taken away if they do not comply is not forcing?

Authoritarian misogynists sure say the funniest things.
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That is not what is happening. They can play sports without a scholarship. Nothing is forcing any female athlete to not be able to compete in sports if they want to. Not everyone makes the team, ever. So there is no force involved, just competition. You could argue it is unfair competition but instead you try to claim it is force to make it sound like something it isn’t.

Your personal insult is noted for its inaccuracy, no matter how cowardly you worded it.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
I merely point out what your comments imply, then call you on it.
Your inability to validate your own comments, thats on you.
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Here is my actual comment.

"For starters, I do not conflate the two.

There is nothing perverted about either."

That did not fit your agenda, and you just kept on with your childish dogma.
 
Gardener said:
Here is my actual comment.

"For starters, I do not conflate the two.

There is nothing perverted about either."
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To which i repied:
"So, your view is they're not perverted, but leftists can't think for themselves.

I don't see how the part about leftists pertains to the topic. But I definitely see this reoccurring theme in many of your posts."

Which part was "dishonest "?
 
devildavid said:
That is not what is happening. They can play sports without a scholarship. Nothing is forcing any female athlete to not be able to compete in sports if they want to. Not everyone makes the team, ever. So there is no force involved, just competition. You could argue it is unfair competition but instead you try to claim it is force to make it sound like something it isn’t.

Your personal insult is noted for its inaccuracy, no matter how cowardly you worded it.
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What is the point in arguing this? In any sport where vo2 max is a factor in competitiveness, it is unfair for a male to female trans woman to compete against biological women. That is just a fact. Considering the level of bigotry we are up against with MAGA and the cultural right, to tie trans rights to the ability of trans women to compete in women’s sports is insane. By doing so, you are handing them a politically winning issue.

A better argument to have with MAGA is on fundamental trans rights, and their right to have protections against discrimination in housing, employment and so on. Fight them on their stupid bathroom bills, their attempts to block trans women from changing their driver’s license. Fight them on their attempts to deny healthcare to trans people.

Those are all issues that are political losers for MAGA, so don’t make the battle about trans women in women’s sports because all we are doing then is handing MAGA a winning issue.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
To which i repied:
"So, your view is they're not perverted, but leftists can't think for themselves.

I don't see how the part about leftists pertains to the topic. But I definitely see this reoccurring theme in many of your posts."

Which part was "dishonest "?
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Crickets
 
Not reading the entire thread (2 pages was enough) my wife and I just had an amazing dinner with some friends of ours who are a happily married gay couple..over the course of the dinner at some point they kissed each other.

It would be otherwise not remarkable or noteworthy at all aside from so soon after the conclusion of that (beyond) amazing meal I see posts insinuating that their innocuous (and rightly so) kiss is revolting.
 
marduc said:
Not reading the entire thread (2 pages was enough) my wife and I just had an amazing dinner with some friends of ours who are a happily married gay couple..over the course of the dinner at some point they kissed each other.

It would be otherwise not remarkable or noteworthy at all aside from so soon after the conclusion of that (beyond) amazing meal I see posts insinuating that their innocuous (and rightly so) kiss is revolting.
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The idea that men can't kids each other without being gay is odd to me. That being said there are romantic kisses and platonic kisses.
 
devildavid said:
That’s good, because no one is factually forcing them to do that.
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If sex changed men are allowed to compete then women's only alternative is to not compete. I think it makes sense for them to all boycott such contests.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
What is the point in arguing this? In any sport where vo2 max is a factor in competitiveness, it is unfair for a male to female trans woman to compete against biological women. That is just a fact. Considering the level of bigotry we are up against with MAGA and the cultural right, to tie trans rights to the ability of trans women to compete in women’s sports is insane. By doing so, you are handing them a politically winning issue.

A better argument to have with MAGA is on fundamental trans rights, and their right to have protections against discrimination in housing, employment and so on. Fight them on their stupid bathroom bills, their attempts to block trans women from changing their driver’s license. Fight them on their attempts to deny healthcare to trans people.

Those are all issues that are political losers for MAGA, so don’t make the battle about trans women in women’s sports because all we are doing then is handing MAGA a winning issue.
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I am handing them nothing at all. They try to claim that women are being forced to compete with men. This is a false claim. Nothing has been forced on women regarding competing with men. The issue is a non issue so tiny that it barely exists. But they use it as an emotional wedge to argue against the rights of transgender people in general. To give ground is to surrender. They have no valid objection to a thing that is barely a blip in women’s sports.
 
Randomutation said:
If a person enjoys behaving as the opposite sex, that's fine with me. But if that's their primary focus in life, and if they cannot be happy any other way, then they need to find more purpose IMO.
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Your notion of what motivates a transsexual is very, very wrong. "Obsession" is close, but not quite right. The obsession is unbidden. Unintentional. An internal compulsion they really can't do anything about.... except ultimately acquiesce.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
Now, none of us were bigots as teenagers, but I wondered, what caused some kids to swing towards bigotry in adulthood, and others to lean towards acceptance and inclusion?
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Having met bigots of a different kind as a youngster - I'd argue that bigotry can be acquired way before teenage years kick in.

However, with regard to your question, I think it's largely a learned behaviour and in my last years in teaching until 2021, I would say most teens are quite accepting of the trans community. I wouldn't say "all" as the murder of Brianna Ghey proved that not to be the case.
 
DCCougar said:
Your notion of what motivates a transsexual is very, very wrong. "Obsession" is close, but not quite right. The obsession is unbidden. Unintentional. An internal compulsion they really can't do anything about.... except ultimately acquiesce.
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Or, from the case law....

"....a transsexual [is] one who has "[a] rare psychiatric disorder in which a person feels persistently uncomfortable about his or her anatomical sex," and who typically seeks medical treatment, including hormonal therapy and surgery, to bring about a permanent sex change. American Medical Association, Encyclopedia of Medicine 1006 (1989); see also American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 74-75 (3d rev. ed. 1987). Farmer v. Brennan, 511 US 825 (1994).
 
devildavid said:
I am handing them nothing at all. They try to claim that women are being forced to compete with men. This is a false claim. Nothing has been forced on women regarding competing with men. The issue is a non issue so tiny that it barely exists. But they use it as an emotional wedge to argue against the rights of transgender people in general. To give ground is to surrender. They have no valid objection to a thing that is barely a blip in women’s sports.
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Actually, we did hand them something. Trump's ads on Democrats supporting trans women in sports and Kamala supporting taxpayer funded transitioning surgeries for federal inmates and illegal immigrants were quite literally the most effective negative ads in history. They are arguably why he is president today because they swung the vote by over 2% in the swing states they were ran in (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/07/us/politics/trump-win-election-harris.html). No negative ads in American political history have been that effective. Whether it should be an issue or not is irrelevant, because in the eyes of the electorate, it was an issue - and it was an issue that made Democrats look extreme and out of touch.

As to biological women being forced to compete with trans women, if a trans woman is allowed to compete in a women's varsity or elite sport, then women who want to compete in that sport are forced to compete against them, and that isn't fair. I am in my late 40s now, so I focus much more on my personal fitness and strength training than I do on competing in races and duathlons. However, for years I did reguarly compete in races and duathlons. I can count on one hand the number of times a woman ever passed me in a race. I was never an elite athlete. My half marathon PR is 1:27. That isn't anywhere near elite, yet it was very rare for a woman to pass me. My highest vo2 max was 58 at it's highest. At the age I was at the time, that would have put me at the top 95 percentile of men. Yet, it would have put me in the top 99 percentile of women. I am saying this point out the biological differences in sports. 1755 men have ran a 4 minute mile. There has never been a woman to run a 4 minute mile.

Now, you may argue that it is not a big issue because very few trans women compete against women in elite women's sports. The problem with that argument is that it's elite level women's sports - a tiny percentage of women compete in elite level women's sports. So for those women, it is a huge issue and it is unfair and if you are on the side of unfairness, regardless of whether it impacts a lot of people or a small number of people, it is still the wrong side because you are on the side of unfairness.
 
DCCougar said:
Or, from the case law....

"....a transsexual [is] one who has "[a] rare psychiatric disorder in which a person feels persistently uncomfortable about his or her anatomical sex," and who typically seeks medical treatment, including hormonal therapy and surgery, to bring about a permanent sex change. American Medical Association, Encyclopedia of Medicine 1006 (1989); see also American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 74-75 (3d rev. ed. 1987). Farmer v. Brennan, 511 US 825 (1994).
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Transgender identity, or being transgender is not considered a mental disorder. The World Health Organization (WHO) has removed being transgender from its list of mental disorders, and the term "transsexualism" has been replaced with "gender incongruence" in the latest edition of the International Classification of Diseases.
Thus, your citation is not longer valid.

Gender incongruence and transgender health in the ICD

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