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If we ban the AR-15 & confiscate them all ....

Will mass shootings cease to happen?

  • Yes

  • Not completely, but mostly

  • Definitely reduce the number by at least half

  • It will reduce them a bit

  • It will have no effect on the number of mass shootings


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What a terrible poll. The idea is that these events won’t be as severe, not that they won’t occur. Obviously, they could just buy other guns.

It's a stupid idea, because there's nothing unique about an AR-15, or any other "assault weapon" for that matter, that makes it especially dangerous.
 
If we ban the AR-15 and confiscate them all (I know, but go with the fantasy here), will mass shootings cease to happen?
No, despite the popular assumption that it will. If the confiscation fairy waved a magic wand and every single AR-15 disappeared in a puff of smoke, it wouldn't change the mind of a single mass shooter. He'll just use something else.

Then whatever that is will become "the weapon of choice" for mass shooters, calls will be made to ban whatever it is, rinse and repeat.
 
The problem is that we dont study the incidents...we just jump to "lets ban guns'. Every stereotype about mass shootings is incorrect. Most mass shootings do not involve ARs. Most mass shooting deaths do not occur from individuals using ARs. In 2023 7 of the 11 incidents of mass shootings DID involve people with identified mental health problems and people that knew them that knew they presented a risk. Magazine capacity was only a factor in 1 of the 11 mass shooting incidents. None of the guns purchased were purchased illegally meaning they all at some time were purchased using background checks. 6 of the 11 were over 40 while only 1 was 18. There is a broad range of racial diversity in the shootings. There is a broad range of social diversity in the shootings. In all of the states where the shooters had mental illness reported recently, laws exist to remove firearms from their homes while they are considered a threat.

Balance the 11 incidents with the 10,000 firearms related homicides no one talks about, the 5000 homicides not involving firearms. The 20,000 vehicle related deaths. The 170 million law abiding citizens that did not commit crimes using their firearms. The hundreds of thousands that used firearms for defensive purposes. The prevalence of the portrayal in society of revenge acts using a variety of means...handguns among them. A general sense of moral decay in a society that devalues life.

If you study every incident you will see places along the way where these incidents could have been identified and stopped.
 
No, despite the popular assumption that it will. If the confiscation fairy waved a magic wand and every single AR-15 disappeared in a puff of smoke, it wouldn't change the mind of a single mass shooter. He'll just use something else.

Then whatever that is will become "the weapon of choice" for mass shooters, calls will be made to ban whatever it is, rinse and repeat.
Unless the homicidal maniac uses a vehicle, in which case people would say "What? Ban vehicles? But I use a vehicle.......why should I be punished"
 
No, equating dying defending yourself and others with being a helpless victim is absurd.

The “if only they had more guns” argument is silly because having more guns doesn’t appear to have changed the slightest thing 🙄
 
It will reduce them a bit and there will be fewer people killed in mass shootings.

Bring back the AWB.

Make ARs ugly again! Well, IMO they're ugly anyway, but some people don't think so.
 
I'm saying that more guns would only make the situation much worse.
You'd have mass running battles and many more would hade died.
Not sure it can get worse for those who died defenseless.
 
Since countries with less guns have less shootings, then zero ar-15's would reduce shootings.

The poll is effectively the same question as, "If there is less water, will there be less wet?" Yes, OP, if there is less water, there will be less wet.

Ignoring replacement effect. Ignoring that it isn't universally true that countries with less guns have less homicides. I mean...homicides is really our concern right? Not "shooting"... which can amount to someone plinking soup cans.
 
No, despite the popular assumption that it will. If the confiscation fairy waved a magic wand and every single AR-15 disappeared in a puff of smoke, it wouldn't change the mind of a single mass shooter. He'll just use something else.

Then whatever that is will become "the weapon of choice" for mass shooters, calls will be made to ban whatever it is, rinse and repeat.

They're counting on it.
 
I don't see it happening. The net result of this thread will be gun hobbyists beating their chests in anger. Again.
 
The “if only they had more guns” argument is silly because having more guns doesn’t appear to have changed the slightest thing 🙄
Not sure I understand what you are trying to say. We need to disarm the military too?
 

If we ban the AR-15 & confiscate them all ....​


Zero effect - because it's NOT ABOUT THE WEAPON, it's about the sick individual who wields them.
 
If we ban the AR-15 and confiscate them all (I know, but go with the fantasy here), will mass shootings cease to happen?
No, as most mass shootings involve handguns.
 
No. But that's not the point. Once the court allows the banning of one specific weapon that decision can then be used to ban other kinds of weapons and, in short order, private possession of any weapon.
Baloney
 
It's a stupid idea, because there's nothing unique about an AR-15, or any other "assault weapon" for that matter, that makes it especially dangerous.
dafuq
 

Believe it or not, there's literally more substance in this comment than there is in the Dems' proposed AWB.
 
Believe it or not, there's literally more substance in this comment than there is in the Dems' proposed AWB.

I disagree. I read the proposed AWB as @Rucker61 posted some of it. A pile of shit is still a pile of a substance.

Well yeah...I'm equivocating. :)
 
I disagree. I read the proposed AWB as @Rucker61 posted some of it. A pile of shit is still a pile of a substance.

Well yeah...I'm equivocating. :)

I was using a different definition of the word "substance." Here click on this link to the 40 page piece of legislation that contains the definition I was assuming.....
 
I was using a different definition of the word "substance." Here click on this link to the 40 page piece of legislation that contains the definition I was assuming.....

I was using TWO definitions simultaneously! Got ya' beat.
 
I take it from your eloquent response that you don't believe that banning "assault weapons" will lead to further bans. Let's take a look at that assumption, using a novel approach - actual facts.

A bit of history: Anti-gun rights campaigns first focused on handguns. By the late 80's that campaign had run out of steam, so an anti-gunner named Josh Sugarmann came up with a new approach to pep up his anti gun organization. From his paper, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America:

It will be a new topic in what has become to the press and public an “old” debate. Although handguns claim more than 20,000 lives a year, the issue of handgun restriction consistently remains a non-issue with the vast majority of legislators, the press, and public. .....Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. [underlining added]

The upshot: It's easy to market bans on "Assault weapons" because they are scary looking, especially to people who don't know anything about guns. Based on many of the posts here, the strategy has worked quite well.

According to the FBI's 2019 crime statistics, there were 364 murders committed in the US that year using rifles. That's ALL rifles of all kinds. They don't keep statistics for "assault rifles", but given the hundreds of millions of other kinds of rifles out there, it's unlikely that it's more than half. Let's call it 200 to be generous. This is tiny compared with the 1,476 murders committed with "knives and cutting instruments". Just to put it into perspective, there were 600 murders committed using fists. So the odds of being killed by someone punching you are three times as high as being killed with an "assault rifle".

Yet attacking "assault rifles" is a cornerstone of Democratic gun policy. "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15!". Why are they making such a big deal about them if they are so rarely used in murders?

First and foremost is to generate an atmosphere of fear from which you can only be saved if you vote Democratic.

The second reason is that the Supreme Court has declared that weapons "commonly used for lawful purposes" are protected by the Second Amendment. AR-15s are commonly used for lawful purposes. They are also used in a very small percentage of crimes. So why are the Democrats so determined to ban them? Because they desperately want to establish some way around the common use protection. Once they've done that, more and more guns will be classified as "assault weapons". First all semiautos. Then bolt action "sniper rifles". Etc, etc. This is entirely consistent with a long established strategy of incrementalism as manifested in Democratic anti-gun states like California, New York and Illinois.

So given the near certainty that assault weapon bans are going to be found unconstitutional, why are so many Democratic states rushing to pass them? So that when the bans are over turned, they can claim "We tried to save you, but that nasty old Supreme Court doesn't care about your children" and use it to try and pack the court.
 
Pie in the sky thread. Confiscation will never happen.
 
Not sure I understand what you are trying to say. We need to disarm the military too?

I’m saying the idea that “if only they’d had more guns, there wouldn’t have been so many casualties” is not born out by the facts.
 
I take it from your eloquent response that you don't believe that banning "assault weapons" will lead to further bans. Let's take a look at that assumption, using a novel approach - actual facts.

A bit of history: Anti-gun rights campaigns first focused on handguns. By the late 80's that campaign had run out of steam, so an anti-gunner named Josh Sugarmann came up with a new approach to pep up his anti gun organization. From his paper, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America:

It will be a new topic in what has become to the press and public an “old” debate. Although handguns claim more than 20,000 lives a year, the issue of handgun restriction consistently remains a non-issue with the vast majority of legislators, the press, and public. .....Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. [underlining added]

The upshot: It's easy to market bans on "Assault weapons" because they are scary looking, especially to people who don't know anything about guns. Based on many of the posts here, the strategy has worked quite well.

According to the FBI's 2019 crime statistics, there were 364 murders committed in the US that year using rifles. That's ALL rifles of all kinds. They don't keep statistics for "assault rifles", but given the hundreds of millions of other kinds of rifles out there, it's unlikely that it's more than half. Let's call it 200 to be generous. This is tiny compared with the 1,476 murders committed with "knives and cutting instruments". Just to put it into perspective, there were 600 murders committed using fists. So the odds of being killed by someone punching you are three times as high as being killed with an "assault rifle".

Yet attacking "assault rifles" is a cornerstone of Democratic gun policy. "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15!". Why are they making such a big deal about them if they are so rarely used in murders?

First and foremost is to generate an atmosphere of fear from which you can only be saved if you vote Democratic.

The second reason is that the Supreme Court has declared that weapons "commonly used for lawful purposes" are protected by the Second Amendment. AR-15s are commonly used for lawful purposes. They are also used in a very small percentage of crimes. So why are the Democrats so determined to ban them? Because they desperately want to establish some way around the common use protection. Once they've done that, more and more guns will be classified as "assault weapons". First all semiautos. Then bolt action "sniper rifles". Etc, etc. This is entirely consistent with a long established strategy of incrementalism as manifested in Democratic anti-gun states like California, New York and Illinois.

So given the near certainty that assault weapon bans are going to be found unconstitutional, why are so many Democratic states rushing to pass them? So that when the bans are over turned, they can claim "We tried to save you, but that nasty old Supreme Court doesn't care about your children" and use it to try and pack the court.

I'll answer for some of our other posters here.

That's just poopy stuff.
 
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