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If This Holds True, Then Trump Will Lose This Election Decisively.....

Trump didn't overturn Roe v Wade. Also the Dems controlling Congress and the Presidency didn't make a federal guarantee to abortion rights like they could have given that passing laws is their job. Maybe leftists should be more concerned with making their DNC clowns do their jobs rather than whining about something Trump didn't do or the fact that the Supreme Court did its job and did it right.
He sure ****ing did. Lying about it doesn’t make it true.

The GOP will continue to blunder if they don’t realize their error. Americans don’t like rights being taken away from themselves.
 
He sure ****ing did. Lying about it doesn’t make it true.
And again the left demonstrates it's lack of basic US government knowledge.
The GOP will continue to blunder if they don’t realize their error. Americans don’t like rights being taken away from themselves.
And again they blame the Supreme Court for doing their jobs right and NOT blaming the DNC in Congress for not doing their jobs (passing a federal abortion guarantee which they 100% could have done).

Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'​


Trump brags about ending Roe.​

Cool story but it's not how US government works. The US Supreme Court is who overturns US Supreme Court rulings.
 
You mean ignoring the text, pretending some other text is there, and then interpreting it? That "legitimate" way?
I mean doing what highly qualified legal professionals and judges do in their legitimate way. You personally may not like it, but that doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things.
 
Cool story but it's not how US government works. The US Supreme Court is who overturns US Supreme Court rulings.
The point is that *rump claims he killed it, takes full responsibility for ending it, brags about it, and his supporters give him credit for killing it because he appointed the SCOTUS judges who made it happen.
 
Nah, the foundation was laid a few hundred years ago when the US Constitution was written.
So, we're not going to "suspend" it if Trump wins? There is, of course, no sane reason to do that but he did say it.
 
Trump didn't overturn Roe v Wade. Also the Dems controlling Congress and the Presidency didn't make a federal guarantee to abortion rights like they could have given that passing laws is their job. Maybe leftists should be more concerned with making their DNC clowns do their jobs rather than whining about something Trump didn't do or the fact that the Supreme Court did its job and did it right.
Your opinion is duly noted and dismissed. Trump told Americans, on recorded video, that he would only appoint SC justices who would overturn Roe. He did that, and they did that. Trump effectively overturned Roe and has since many times bragged about it.

There are now 20 states with Trump abortion bans rendering 1 in 3 women in this country without reproduction rights which have already caused immeasurable suffering and some notably preventable deaths.
 
I mean doing what highly qualified legal professionals and judges do in their legitimate way.
Making up legal texts and pretending they're real is not a legitimate function of honest lawyers and judges. Judges and lawyers are familiar with the laws so they can point a non-professional in the right direction easily by citing a law or set of laws that a non-professional might never locate on their own, but if the lawyers can't do that or do it in a way that's clearly wrong, then it's not legitimate.
You personally may not like it, but that doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things.
I personally like the Supreme Court's decision. It's you that has a problem with it, but of course the left likes to appeal to authority and only to those they personally like!
So, we're not going to "suspend" it if Trump wins? There is, of course, no sane reason to do that but he did say it.
Trump has no authority to suspend the Constitution, but I'm hoping if he wins that he will work with Republicans to un-suspend it in, for example, leftist states that don't follow the second amendment.
Your opinion is duly noted and dismissed. Trump told Americans, on recorded video, that he would only appoint SC justices who would overturn Roe.
Then it's clear Trump was interested in appointing honest SC justices who actually follow the US Constitution and not bad actors like Sotomayor.
 
Making up legal texts and pretending they're real is not a legitimate function of honest lawyers and judges. Judges and lawyers are familiar with the laws so they can point a non-professional in the right direction easily by citing a law or set of laws that a non-professional might never locate on their own, but if the lawyers can't do that or do it in a way that's clearly wrong, then it's not legitimate.
That is your bias. Again, there is plenty of legal activity that uses different methods of interpretation.
I personally like the Supreme Court's decision. It's you that has a problem with it, but of course the left likes to appeal to authority and only to those they personally like!
Yup, in both of our cases, we are measuring outcomes versus our ideology. Given that there is no objective ways of measuring this, this is how people will always do it.
 
And again the left demonstrates it's lack of basic US government knowledge.

And again they blame the Supreme Court for doing their jobs right and NOT blaming the DNC in Congress for not doing their jobs (passing a federal abortion guarantee which they 100% could have done).
I blame the person who put them there: Donald Trump. I remember him promising justices who would do what they did. And i remember my Trump supporting family members celebrating their ruling. And now you want to gaslight everyone about it, well it ain’t going to work.

You can scream and you can cry like some incel, but you aren’t changing my mind.
 
Trump has no authority to suspend the Constitution, but I'm hoping if he wins that he will work with Republicans to un-suspend it in, for example, leftist states that don't follow the second amendment.
I'm a leftist, and I have no problem with the second amendment. Again, Trump is the only one who wrote "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution". He wrote that, of course, in support of his proven lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

 
And again the left demonstrates it's lack of basic US government knowledge.

And again they blame the Supreme Court for doing their jobs right and NOT blaming the DNC in Congress for not doing their jobs (passing a federal abortion guarantee which they 100% could have done).
I blame them both. But I give congress a little more slack as they were misled by all three of Trump's appointees. No one in congress believed they would go against what they testified to in the confirmation hearings. Some of us all believe they lied under oath.

You have to remember that all three of these judges were vetted and hand picked for Trump by the Federalist Society. If you believe these conversations weren't had beforehand, you're delusional. They knew what they would say to the senate, and they knew what they were going to do.

This has been a part of the GOP power grab plan for 40 years. All set in motion when McConnell refused Garland a hearing. Something that was wrong and totally unacceptable.
Cool story but it's not how US government works. The US Supreme Court is who overturns US Supreme Court rulings.
That doesn't make them correct. They make mistakes all the time. This one has turned out to be dangerous and caused suffering to millions of women. I hope your happy that so many innocent women, their families and their doctors are suffering.
 
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That is your bias. Again, there is plenty of legal activity that uses different methods of interpretation.

Yup, in both of our cases, we are measuring outcomes versus our ideology. Given that there is no objective ways of measuring this, this is how people will always do it.
Yes, there is an objective way of measuring it, and I just told you what it is: your side claims it's in the US Constitution, so point it out. The current sitting justices certainly couldn't. Maybe you can do better. :rolleyes:

But of course you'd have done so. If you could. But you can't because it's as elusive as a pink unicorn.

I blame the person who put them there: Donald Trump. I remember him promising justices who would do what they did. And i remember my Trump supporting family members celebrating their ruling. And now you want to gaslight everyone about it, well it ain’t going to work.

You can scream and you can cry like some incel, but you aren’t changing my mind.
Who is crying and screaming? I'm content with the Supreme Court's correct decision. It's the left that has a problem with it because they didn't get their way.

I'm a leftist, and I have no problem with the second amendment. Again, Trump is the only one who wrote "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution". He wrote that, of course, in support of his proven lie that the 2020 election was stolen.
If he really was going to do that, he would have done it in 2020 or early 2021. I go by what he actually did, like for example putting justices on the Supreme Court that actually follow the US Constitution.

I blame them both. But I give congress a little more slack as they were misled by all three of Trump's appointees. No one in congress believed they would go against what they testified to in the confirmation hearings. Some of us all believe they lied under oath.
You could point out these lies? From reading Barrett's responses it was abundantly clear Roe was in trouble, and from reading the members' questions it was abundantly clear they knew.
You have to remember that all three of these judges were vetted and hand picked for Trump by the Federalist Society. If you believe these conversations weren't had beforehand, you're delusional. They knew what they would say to the senate, and they knew what they were going to do.
Oh wow so everyone knew except the left's gullible DNC morons apparently, eh?
This has been a part of the GOP power grab plan for 40 years.
Wow the DNC must be REALLY stupid if 40 years of this "power grab" went unnoticed.
All set in motion when McConnell refused Garland a hearing. Something that was wrong and totally unacceptable.

That doesn't make them correct. They make mistakes all the time. This one has turned out to be dangerous and caused suffering to millions of women. I hope your happy that so many innocent women, their families and their doctors are suffering.
 
Yes, there is an objective way of measuring it, and I just told you what it is: your side claims it's in the US Constitution, so point it out. The current sitting justices certainly couldn't. Maybe you can do better. :rolleyes:
all analysis methods draw from the wording of the constitution. As I already pointed out, the ruling in roe vs wade found support in the 14th amendment.

Because they all draw on the constitution, then there is no objective way of measuring one method as better than another.

There is only adherence to ideology, even if some are unable to accept or understand that.
 
all analysis methods draw from the wording of the constitution.
So does figuring out the speed limit on a particular road. The left is pointing to a sign that says 40 and "interpreting" it as 400.
As I already pointed out, the ruling in roe vs wade found support in the 14th amendment.
OK so quote what part of it you think does this.
Because they all draw on the constitution, then there is no objective way of measuring one method as better than another.

There is only adherence to ideology, even if some are unable to accept or understand that.
No, if the sign says 40, it's 40, not 400. This is right out of the left's "pregnant people" or "men can have vaginas" pile of nonsense.
 
And again the left demonstrates it's lack of basic US government knowledge.

And again they blame the Supreme Court for doing their jobs right and NOT blaming the DNC in Congress for not doing their jobs (passing a federal abortion guarantee which they 100% could have done).


Cool story but it's not how US government works. The US Supreme Court is who overturns US Supreme Court rulings.
Yes, and Trump appointed three SCOTUS judges who specifically were going to do that for him, and he bragged about being successful.

You know full well that all of us know SCOTUS actually pulled the trigger, that's just you being dishonest as ****. Donald Trump handed them the gun and told them to shoot. Deal with it. Your hero took rights away from millions of women, and he's going to pay for that in November.
 
So does figuring out the speed limit on a particular road. The left is pointing to a sign that says 40 and "interpreting" it as 400.
That's a poor analogy.
OK so quote what part of it you think does this.
I have no need to. Its commonly known that this was based on the 14th amendment.
No, if the sign says 40, it's 40, not 400. This is right out of the left's "pregnant people" or "men can have vaginas" pile of nonsense.
If it was as cut and dry as you believe, there would never have been competing interpretive philosophies to begin with. People don't debate whether the sky is blue on a sunny and clear day, for example.
 
Yes, and Trump appointed three SCOTUS judges who specifically were going to do that for him, and he bragged about being successful.
It's known as picking justices that follow the US Constitution.
You know full well that all of us know SCOTUS actually pulled the trigger, that's just you being dishonest as ****. Donald Trump handed them the gun and told them to shoot. Deal with it. Your hero took rights away from millions of women, and he's going to pay for that in November.
Roevember! Queen Kamala! :ROFLMAO:

That's a poor analogy.

I have no need to.
It's an excellent analogy. And you just demonstrated that when you failed to point out the specific text that supports your position. The same as the hypothetical person in my previous post failing to demonstrate the presence of the second 0 on the speed limit sign.
Its commonly known that this was based on the 14th amendment.

If it was as cut and dry as you believe, there would never have been competing interpretive philosophies to begin with. People don't debate whether the sky is blue on a sunny and clear day, for example.
You sure? This is the left we're talking about with their pregnant men.
 
It's known as picking justices that follow the US Constitution.

Roevember! Queen Kamala! :ROFLMAO:


It's an excellent analogy. And you just demonstrated that when you failed to point out the specific text that supports your position. The same as the hypothetical person in my previous post failing to demonstrate the presence of the second 0 on the speed limit sign.
So you don't think the decision in Roe vs Wade was based on the 14th amendment?
You sure? This is the left we're talking about with their pregnant men.
This is an example of competing interpretations, come people conflate gender and sex while others see them as independent concepts.
 
You guys DO understand that Trump has as good of a chance getting to 270 as Harris, right?

I mean, don't get me wrong. I hope he gets his ass handed to him on a paper plate. But counting your chickens before they hatch is just bad ju-ju.

And giving folks the appearance or confidence that he is surely set to lose the election, gives them less incentive to get their ass to the polls to vote against him.

Last but not least, think back. We were hearing the same noise, about this time in 2016, about Hillary being a shoe-in. Remember that? I do. We all seen what happened there.

For the sake of all that is holy and for the future of our fragile, house-of-cards nation/democracy, do NOT take it for granted that Harris is set to win this thing. She is NOT!

We not only have to out vote this MAGA/TRUMP thing, but we have to do it SOUNDLY! A landslide would be nice. (Even though, if Harris does win, we expect and anticipate the MAGAist's to piss and moan and try to obstruct the election results and go into The Big Lie part Two - The Sequel.)

To sum it up, VOTE! The more people that vote, the better chances we will have to survive this destructive MAGA era of American history.

I'm ready to get back to us all being American again and kicking this MAGA cult fad to the curb once, and for all.
 
I think you're trying to shift the burden of proof.
I admit, I am having a bit of fun on this subtopic.
Thanks for making my point for me.
Your point was that different people have different interpretations of legal or social meanings for words and that those different interpretations lead into things like competing judicial philosophies the whole time???
 
I admit, I am having a bit of fun on this subtopic.

Your point was that different people have different interpretations of legal or social meanings for words and that those different interpretations lead into things like competing judicial philosophies the whole time???
No, my point is that the left is ridiculous and disingenuous pretending their extremely specious positions are somehow just as valid as anything else.
"Murdering babies is a states' rights issue" is found nowhere in the constitution.

Very sad deflection attempt.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Since abortion is not mentioned in the US Constitution specifically, neither via prohibition nor guarantee, it's left to the State governments (and if they don't do anything about it either it's potentially left to the people). Pretty basic stuff. Basically it's US Constitution > Congress > States > local governments/people. The US Constitution is silent on abortion and the DNC chose not to pass a federal guarantee like they could have easily done so it goes to the States.
 
No, my point is that the left is ridiculous and disingenuous pretending their extremely specious positions are somehow just as valid as anything else.




Since abortion is not mentioned in the US Constitution specifically, neither via prohibition nor guarantee, it's left to the State governments (and if they don't do anything about it either it's potentially left to the people). Pretty basic stuff. Basically it's US Constitution > Congress > States > local governments/people. The US Constitution is silent on abortion and the DNC chose not to pass a federal guarantee like they could have easily done so it goes to the States.
Guess we shall see how the population feels about this, won't we?
 
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