If there are no jobs then what?

[SailaWay]

Yet that's the way it's always been done, regardless of which party holds congress or the presidency.

the reporting has been different... now its the very lowest rate way to measure is reported.... again that is where the crookedness is

 

[SailaWay]

That's a valid point, but you claiming that it proves the media has a liberal bias isn't proved by that because the media has always used the lower number.

Are your glasses so conservatively biased that you can't understand this?

how does the media make their money???? that will prove they promote liberalism??

 

[SailaWay]

is anyone scared to report HOW the media makes THEIR MONEY??


does addicted people to media and entertainment bring them more money?? yes or NO?? disney owns a lot of entertainment and also abc

does the media get more money by helping the unwise vote to tax the producers and also to bring more debt and bring that money to the same people they want to drug out and doing that the media takes that same money from the drugged out unwise

the dropping of productivity rates proves all of this

 

[pinqy]

the reporting has been different... now its the very lowest rate way to measure is reported.... again that is where the crookedness is

No, the lowest rate would be either the U-1 or U-2. Currently at 2% and 2.3%.
And the reporting is not different. Only the official rate has ever been the main topic of reporting.

Oh, and we can get higher than the U-6. We can add in everyone not working whether not they want a job or are able to work. That would be 37.2%. Or we could add in prisoners, children, etc and get up to 50% if we tried.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Artists are the purists. They take a unique idea and render it in a fashion that all the rest of us can contemplate, and perhaps enjoy - and want to purchase.

The opposite of purists is the general Consumer who buys everyday goods/services and is likely laboring for a Supplier of goods/services in order to make-a-living.

That is a broad-brush representation of the market-economy that most countries strive to establish and maintain ...

NB: What is most curious is that a purist creator of art has to die before their art becomes rare and thus immensely valuable ...
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As an artist myself, I can tell you that tools are necessary for artwork. Technology is always exploited by artists. What can be painted with fingers can be done a lot better with a brush. And even better on a computer by the same artist. I am a woodcarver by trade, I could spend days or even months doing everything by hand or I can use power tools and do the exact same thing in hours.


And I dont think that you know the definition of purist. And generally death has no effect on the value of art.

 

[SailaWay]

here is john zogby speaking on this issue about gallup

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Let me begin with this disclaimer: we pollsters are not a gracious lot. Picture a faculty review committee discussing merit pay or tenure. We are competitive, sanctimonious, and altogether not a very nice bunch of people. With that said, I am compelled to comment on the recent statements by Jim Clifton, longtime CEO of Gallup, on the “real unemployment rate.” In short, Clifton penned an op-ed on the company website referring to the “big lie” of the official Bureau of Labor Statistics monthly unemployment rate. The 5.7% rate for January he says is woefully inadequate and does not take into account part-time workers, those earning $20 a week, those underemployed, and the hundreds of thousands of others who have simply given up looking for work. The real unemployment is much larger – at least double the official rate, and probably higher.

In all of this, Clifton is absolutely right. The published rate is not only woefully inadequate, it is misleading and dishonest.

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but zogby seems to have some issue with gallup saying it is the adminstration spinning the lie....

but we should now know it is THE LIBERAL MEDIA doingthe work for liberal govts

 

[Lafayette]

And I dont think that you know the definition of purist. And generally death has no effect on the value of art.

At my level of artistry, perhaps.

But I doubt the families of VanGogh, Degas, Monet, Picasso or Cezanne would agree.

But, I admit, I am simply an admirer of (particularly Impressionist) artists, mostly because I have no such talent ...
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[Lafayette]

It's not independent. The Current Population Survey is a joint Census/BLS survey. Census handles the data collection while BLS processes the data.

Thanks for the clarification. I looked at both sites and in not either could I find out if they were indeed collaborating.
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[Lethargic Aptitude]

At my level of artistry, perhaps.

But I doubt the families of VanGogh, Degas, Monet, Picasso or Cezanne would agree.

But, I admit, I am simply an admirer of (particularly Impressionist) artists, mostly because I have no such talent ...
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Van Gogh was not above using cutting edge technology so that he could produce more paintings. As such using a cnc machine to help produce artwork isnt a bad thing. It can allow for a artist to be a even greater artist. The device that Van Gogh used could be considered a cheating device. But I doubt anyone would considered his work generic. It all depends what the artist does with the tools available. A modern Van Gogh wouldnt shy away from any tool that would help him.


"With long and continuous practice it enables one to draw quick as lightning, - and once the drawing is established to paint quick as lightning also.

In fact, for painting it is absolutely the thing, for to express sky-earth-sea one needs the brush, or rather in order to express all that in drawing it is necessary to know and to understand the treatment of the brush. I certainly believe that if I paint for some time, it will have great influence on my drawing. I already tried it in January, but then I had to stop, the reason for my decision being, aside from a few other things, that I was too hesitant in my drawing. Now six months have passed that have been quite devoted to drawing. Well, it is with new courage that I start to paint again. The perspective frame is really a fine piece of workmanship; l am sorry you did not see it before you left. It cost me quite a bit, but I have had it made so solidly that it will last a long time. So next Monday I begin to make large charcoal studies with it, and begin to paint small studies. If I succeed in these two things, then I hope that better-painted things will follow soon."

Vincent van Gogh to Theo van Gogh : 5 or 6 August 1882

 

[Lafayette]

No, the lowest rate would be either the U-1 or U-2. Currently at 2% and 2.3%.
And the reporting is not different. Only the official rate has ever been the main topic of reporting.

Oh, and we can get higher than the U-6. We can add in everyone not working whether not they want a job or are able to work. That would be 37.2%. Or we could add in prisoners, children, etc and get up to 50% if we tried.

This is all getting a bit ridiculous, dontcha think ... ?
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[Lafayette]

Van Gogh was not above using cutting edge technology so that he could produce more paintings. ]

Preposterous ...

 

[imagep]

how does the media make their money???? that will prove they promote liberalism??

Selling advertising, mostly to large corporations I would assume.

How would that prove they promote liberalism (in particular)? Do you think that Fox News promotes liberalism?

 

[kanabco]

lets pray that capitalism keepss working its magic!!!

This pretty well sums up right wing "voodoo" economics, no?

 

[kanabco]

At my level of artistry, perhaps.

But I doubt the families of VanGogh, Degas, Monet, Picasso or Cezanne would agree.

But, I admit, I am simply an admirer of (particularly Impressionist) artists, mostly because I have no such talent ...
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A good friend of mine put up this site 15 years ago.
timhunkin/how to cheat at art

 

[kanabco]

Preposterous ...

Why is it preposterous? man has to eat.

 

[James972]

This pretty well sums up right wing "voodoo" economics, no?

China just switched to Republican capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty! If Democrats had their way we have gone to war against China. Can you say witch outcome is better.

 

[kanabco]

China just switched to Republican capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty! If Democrats had their way we have gone to war against China. Can you say witch outcome is better.

You did not get the joke. You said Capitalism was "magic"
George Bush called supply side economics, "voodoo"

That's all

 

[imagep]

China just switched to Republican capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty! If Democrats had their way we have gone to war against China. Can you say witch outcome is better.

Actually, their brand of capitalism would still be called socialism by most Americans.

However I do agree that allowing more capitalism has helped their economic development.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Preposterous ...

Um I gave you a link, quoted Van gogh and a drawing of the device, what else do you need?

 

[SailaWay]

Actually, their brand of capitalism would still be called socialism by most Americans.

However I do agree that allowing more capitalism has helped their economic development.

and that comes from doing like the wise founders.... NOT letting the unwise vote// the more unwise voting the more liberalism and the more failure

 

[Lafayette]

It's beyond belief (imho) that a type of frame was the key-ingredient of Van Gogh's post-mortem success. Far, far more interesting is the fact that Van Gogh did not sell one painting whilst he was alive. I might ask the question, Whyzat?

Here is another instance of where technology tried and failed (largely because of human disinterest) to expand sales of an art-form:

Niepce eventually formed a partnership with a landscape artist called Daguerre. In 1839 they published details of a completely different technique, producing beautiful images of an amalgam of mercury on silver. (Reproductions of Daguerreotypes give no idea of their metallic quality). One reason I started writing this talk was as an excuse to try and make a Daguerreotype, but I ran out of time. Anyway, Daguerre immediately sent one of his spectacular images to the Louvre, but it was returned as being of no interest. Rejected as art, his images did quickly become commercially successful, fashionable as portraits and (in Paris) as pornography. The reason pornography went no further than Paris was probably just that it seemed so shocking - real naked women not just paintings.

My point as the above is that the "success" or not of paintings are due to an immediate appreciation of the artist's work. Some artists succeed, some don't. Some artists succeed in life others don't. Van Gogh was of the first kind, and Picasso the second.

In the above case, the fact that one could reproduce art and thus sell more of it to more people was not appreciated by "the Louvre", which probably felt that "real art" was unique in only one piece.

Frankly, I have no copies of Picasso hanging on my walls, but plenty of Van Goghs. And I have been asked, by French friends, why I am so obsessed with Van Gogh.

I found the remark curious, but that is also a reflection of French tastes in art. Meaning simply that if one is "showing off" art, then would should show a greater array of taste on one's walls.

I just don't subscribe to that notion, and that is an entirely personal decision ...
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[SailaWay]

a nation must have jobs for the middle class in order to progress.... the cost from not having a middle class is much greater than the loss of a few bucks on items at wal mart.... that savings will be taken up and alot more with a weak middle class workers...

 

[James972]

Actually, their brand of capitalism would still be called socialism by most Americans.

However I do agree that allowing more capitalism has helped their economic development.

dear, a dramatic switch to capitalism that eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty is the greatest economic miracle in human history and saved around 100 million lives. If liberals had their way another 100 million would have starved to death while libturds tried to perfect central obamacare management of everything. Do you understand?

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

I bet if you look at the history of marine operations (including military, shipping, fishing, transportation and pleasure), you will find that a far fewer percentage of our worldwide population is employed in that field than at any time in recorded history.

Once again, no one is claiming that every single job will be taken over by technology, just that there will be enough jobs lost to technology that there will eventually not be enough full time jobs (by todays definition) to provide every family with at least one job.

I also find it interesting that we all seem to think that our particular field is somehow immune from the loss of jobs. The reality is no job field is immune from employment shrinkage due to technological improvements.

The job I did just 30 years ago in the Army no longer exists. I was basically a middle man between the people who seek out targets and the howitzers that dropped bombs on those targets. It has been replaced by computers and more sophisticated communication technology - no more need for that middleman to computing the settings and give the orders, now the spotters call in fire directly to the guns which compute their own data automatically and without human intervention.

You are correct, in that there are few people in the field I retired from, but incorrect in that it might be taken over by automation. That will never happen.

Computers do not troubleshoot and think logically. They also do not have our five senses. No computer made now or ever will be able to replace human intuition and our experienced diagnostic abilities.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

I have friends here in France working at Airbus developing exactly those systems.

It is not that difficult, and only a question of time.

Like the guy at Boeing who once told me that Boeing would never build wings with fiber-carbon elements - which Airbus employs today on one of its commercial models.

We can't stop progress, but we can adapt to it ...
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They will fail.

A machine can be built to troubleshoot a black box, but NOT a complete aircraft or vessel.

Yes, the technology already exists to fix black boxes hooked up to them. I already said that when I mentioned the USM-247 VAST system.

However, a complete system in the real world is another matter entirely. They will spend a lot of money and fail in the end. It cannot be done.

One small connector could be not on securely. An antenna could be busted. there could be hundreds of reasons the system is not working. ONLY an experienced technician can facilitate the repairs in a cost effective manner.

Experience counts.