If Harris Loses, Should Democrats Move Right?

[coyote505]

I voted no mostly for the wording. Democrats should move center is the better way of saying it, I think.

They should also move more towards peaceful and tolerant of opposing views, and stop stoking hatred among their supporters by equating everyone who doesn't agree with them to Hitler.

It's a strategy that breeds a very loyal base of lunatics, but you lose the moderates and the independents.

If the posters on this forum are an example, liberals assume, and accuse, all non-Hillaristas or being TRumpetistas. This is hardly the way to win friends in the middle, or the moderate right. They are mirroring Trump, who is busy driving moderates out of the GOP. At some point, the parties will have so completely been taken over by their lunatic fringes that a centrist third party will become a necessity.

 

[Helix]

At some point you need to say no to the hardcore supporters in order to draw moderates and independents who decide pretty much every election.

Also, hard to argue protecting your base vote when Kamala is shedding votes everywhere else.

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The American left will have to come to terms with the fact that American voters just aren't all that into the left when the left becomes unburden by what has been.

If they become even more like 80s Republicans, a new serious party will form, and then the left will be split in half. That's why you all like the idea. As for me, there's some shit i can't vote for, like bigotry, destroying public education, anti-union bullshit, etc. If the Democrats move in those directions, **** 'em.

 

[AZRWinger]

Right because Reagan and Gingrich and Bush were so beloved by the left. lol

Like Kamala was so beloved when she ran for the Democrat nomination in 2020. Look at all the votes she got. Oh wait, her campaign collapsed before voting began. But after the palace coup forced Biden out she is the second coming.of Obama.

 

[dairyair]

The Democrat part has moved SO far left in just the last 10 or 15 years as to be unrecognizable.

Good Grief, Obama had to be talked in to supporting something as simple as gay marriage and now we have Transsexualism as the latest rage and Democrats referring to "minor attracted persons" soon to be the newest protected class.

I don't see how supporting minorities of all kinds is moving further left.
It's just trans just happens to be the next minority group the RW needs to target.

They must have some group to hate, how would they exist without hating someone/group?

 

[Mycroft]

What does "embrace America First" mean in concrete terms? Not in useless sloganeering terms

Here is a very good article that explains America First better than I can, but here is something it says...

To pursue an "America First" foreign policy, then, is to make decisions through the singular lens of what is best for the U.S. national interest. Such a foreign policy approach is often dubbed "realist," but it is also just common-sense.​

What Exactly Is Meant by 'America First?'

The "Trump Doctrine" was neither neoconservative nor isolationist; it rejected such an absurd false choice.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Along Came Jones]

I don't see how supporting minorities of all kinds is moving further left.
It's just trans just happens to be the next minority group the RW needs to target.

They must have some group to hate, how would they exist without hating someone/group?

In the first quarter of the 22nd century which group is not a minority?

 

[instagramsci]

Here is a very good article that explains America First better than I can, but here is something it says...

To pursue an "America First" foreign policy, then, is to make decisions through the singular lens of what is best for the U.S. national interest. Such a foreign policy approach is often dubbed "realist," but it is also just common-sense.​

What Exactly Is Meant by 'America First?'

The "Trump Doctrine" was neither neoconservative nor isolationist; it rejected such an absurd false choice.

www.newsweek.com

"US national interests" is still incredibly vague

 

[trixare4kids]

Like Kamala was so beloved when she ran for the Democrat nomination in 2020. Look at all the votes she got. Oh wait, her campaign collapsed before voting began. But after the palace coup forced Biden out she is the second coming.of Obama.

The plan was cast to put a losing 2019 Biden and a losing 2019 Kamala together as the Obama dream team.

Biden would be forced out if the internal numbers went south. That's how puppet regimes are made. Everyone knows Obama is pulling the strings.

 

[X Factor]

Don't need an apology.

I think the argument I'm making is pretty straightforward. A whole lot of center to center-right support that Harris has garnered is because Trump is so reviled by so many people. It's not like all these Republican mayors, Liz Cheney, and whatnot are backing Harris because they agree on policy positions.

You remove Trump and his antics, you remove a whole lot of those same people's hesitancy to vote for the Republican nominee. As an anecdotal example, my father, who is a liberal Republican at this point, would have voted for Nikki Haley had she been the nominee. He also doesn't really like Kamala Harris, but is voting for her because he hates Trump. This is the way that plenty of moderate-to-right support is in the Harris camp.

And there's no way Harris would ever be the Democratic nominee in four years if she loses, anyway.

But why is Harris even having to hope for “moderate-to-right” support? If it’s true that all Democrats support her and a bunch of Republicans do as well, she should be crushing this. You shouldn’t even be worried that she may lose. In the same way Trump doesn’t appeal do your dad, Harris must not actually be appealing to people she should easily have already in her pocket. Perhaps it’s, actually, the Democrats that have some soul searching to do if Harris cannot pull off an easy win against such a hated and reviled opponent.

 

[dairyair]

In the first quarter of the 22nd century which group is not a minority?

Ask the person I responded to.

 

[Along Came Jones]

But why is Harris even having to hope for “moderate-to-right” support? If it’s true that all Democrats support her and a bunch of Republicans do as well, she should be crushing this. You shouldn’t even be worried that she may lose. In the same way Trump doesn’t appeal do your dad, Harris must not actually be appealing to people she should easily have already in her pocket. Perhaps it’s, actually, the Democrats that have some soul searching to do if Harris cannot pull off an easy win against such a hated and reviled opponent.

Simple answer with a complex follow up. Neither Harris nor Trump enjoy a plurality of trust. Why not?

 

[Along Came Jones]

Ask the person I responded to.

@Gardener did not make the statement evoking the question. My question is open for anyone to attempt an answer. I'd surely be interested in reading a good faith attempt at doing so.

 

[natman]

Democrats are fine.
The gullibility of the people who will cast votes for Trump is the problem.
I don't know how that gets solved.

One way or another this is the last election Trump is going to be in. No, I don't mean he's going to outlaw elections, but he'll term out if he wins and in any case he'll be 82 in 2028.

Unless the Democrats come to the center and broaden their appeal they'll lose in a landslide to a reasonable Republican candidate once they can no longer be Not Trump.

 

[Winston]

How so, Democrats are a centrist party?

They are centrists. Moderates, etc

 

[brianpatrick]

Natural gas has destroyed the coal industry. To get coal, we blow up entire mountains, scaring the earth for millions of years, and annihilating some of the most diverse temperate ecosystems on earth in the process. In contrast, while there are environmental costs to fracking, the environmental costs to mountaintop removal coal mining, are literal orders of magnitude worse.

Fair enough as a stop gap but gearing up for long term fracking will be just as devastating if not more so. Fracking is also not the only way to get natural gas.

It’s already too late to avoid the worst effects of climate change. Hopefully someone is working on plans to deal with climate related immigration, and the hardship to come.

 

[DrewPaul]

If the Dems move any further right they will be Republicans.

We need the Dems to stay centrist.

Kamaga Harris moved to the right so much, she might as well support Trump. The problem is everyone knows (including the left) she's lying.

 

[brianpatrick]

Trump was simply able to tap into the populist movement that is sick and tired of typical establishment politics in both parties in Washington DC. The democrats and the RINOs just do not want to admit it. They prefer to see Trump as some sort of pied piper for the right.

Yes, but he doesn’t tap in with intentions to help or solve the problems. He taps in for personal and crony gains. If he actually cared, actually drained the swamp and reformed our political system he would be a hero. He doesn’t have the desire or the ability to do this. I’m not just being partisan. I see the problems you’re talking about, but Trump isn’t the guy.

 

[PeteEU]

If Harris does not win, there will be no point. Trump will die within a year and Vance will become President for life, with Peter Thiel actually pulling the strings.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The Democrat part has moved SO far left in just the last 10 or 15 years as to be unrecognizable.

Good Grief, Obama had to be talked in to supporting something as simple as gay marriage and now we have Transsexualism as the latest rage and Democrats referring to "minor attracted persons" soon to be the newest protected class.

What Democrats elected to any federal office or even a state level office, refer to pedos as "minor attracted persons"? I want to see some evidence for that.

This is utter nonsense. Republicans ran a pedo for senate in Alabama and he barely lost because he still received a majority of the Republican vote there. Republicans reelected Matt Gaetz despite the fact he was under investigation for federal child sex trafficking.

 

[Peter]

Why do you think Bernie Sanders is so popular with the left?

He isn't anywhere close to a communist.
Please show where he's called for the government to take over all means of production or any of the other main parts of the communist manifesto.

 

[DrewPaul]

If Harris does not win, there will be no point. Trump will die within a year and Vance will become President for life, with Peter Thiel actually pulling the strings.

You've been indulging into too much propaganda.

 

[antiquity]

Simple question prompted by this Vox article. Should Kamala lose here in two weeks, do the Democrats need to pivot to the right to gain more voter support?

No but they should move to a more center position. If not they may have a problem following a progressives/socialist agenda.

 

[noonereal]

Kamaga Harris moved to the right so much, she might as well support Trump. The problem is everyone knows (including the left) she's lying.

Moved? Joe is a centrist and she his VP.
Look at your orange God. Few have ever whored their policies as he has.

Plus, he has no interest in doing what is best for the country.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please show where he's called for the government to take over all means of production or any of the other main parts of the communist manifesto.

It's enouh to know that he has praised community leaders like Castro, Putin, etc.

 

[VySky]

Kamala is an empty vessel.

Fake as all get out

A fraud.