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If Harris Loses, Should Democrats Move Right?

If Harris Loses, Should Democrats Move Right?


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You were never a Democrat.
Another denial of reality from you. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat. Senators Sinema and Manchin were Democrats. Tulsi Gabbard was a Democrat. All left the party to become independents or Republicans.

Even yours truely used to be a Democrat before I started looking at both sides.
 
That’s excellent news. Fracking is completely stupid. I mean, unless you like flammable ground water and earthquakes in new places.
Natural gas has destroyed the coal industry. To get coal, we blow up entire mountains, scaring the earth for millions of years, and annihilating some of the most diverse temperate ecosystems on earth in the process. In contrast, while there are environmental costs to fracking, the environmental costs to mountaintop removal coal mining, are literal orders of magnitude worse.
 
"If the Dems became MAGA Republicans they would do great" may be the stupidest thing I've read today
It sounds stupid to you, but it's not what I said.
 
Another denial of reality from you. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat. Senators Sinema and Manchin were Democrats. Tulsi Gabbard was a Democrat. All left the party to become independents or Republicans.

Even yours truely used to be a Democrat before I started looking at both sides.
Your guy's own VP doesn't want him to be president again. Many members of his cabinet do not think he should be president again. So don't lecture others on extremism, y'all own it.
 
He would have been great.

I have my own feelings as to who is really running this country and they are not moderates. I figured it out when "they" chose Kamala Harris, the woman with the farthest to left voting record in the Senate. This was always the plan. Make Joe to choose her. Put up Joe, make him obey them, run him for one term, make him step down, and in comes their newest Marxist puppet.

That is certainly a plausible conclusion. What other reason would the Democrats have to forcing a very early debate, just after the primaries were done if not to build a case for dumping Biden?

It's not like anyone in the Biden campaign would be surprised by Biden's performance in that debate. They have to know he was going to fail.
 
I voted no, they should stand and die where they are!
 
Apologies for the sarcasm, Gov, but, honestly, your argument didn’t make much sense to me. A Harris victory now would benefit the Republicans because it might mean they would beat her in four years? If Trump wins this time, I’d actually be surprised if Harris is even the Democrat nominee in four years.

Don't need an apology.

I think the argument I'm making is pretty straightforward. A whole lot of center to center-right support that Harris has garnered is because Trump is so reviled by so many people. It's not like all these Republican mayors, Liz Cheney, and whatnot are backing Harris because they agree on policy positions.

You remove Trump and his antics, you remove a whole lot of those same people's hesitancy to vote for the Republican nominee. As an anecdotal example, my father, who is a liberal Republican at this point, would have voted for Nikki Haley had she been the nominee. He also doesn't really like Kamala Harris, but is voting for her because he hates Trump. This is the way that plenty of moderate-to-right support is in the Harris camp.

And there's no way Harris would ever be the Democratic nominee in four years if she loses, anyway.
 
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That is certainly a plausible conclusion. What other reason would the Democrats have to forcing a very early debate, just after the primaries were done if not to build a case for dumping Biden?

It's not like anyone in the Biden campaign would be surprised by Biden's performance in that debate. They have to know he was going to fail.

They were banking on his failure. They already knew he was too frail to continue. The public is so gullible to believe it was only because of the debate. This was always their plan. If they were true Democrats who cared about the people, they would have had an open convention.
 
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Sanders is neither a Dem politician nor a communist.
Everyone knows he is techniclly an independent, however he caucuses with the democrats and has at least twice run for president on the democrat nomination. has a massive folling with the democrats. And he has priased such communists as Putin and the late Fidel Castro. He is an albatross around your neck.
 
They'll lose some veering right.

At some point you need to say no to the hardcore supporters in order to draw moderates and independents who decide pretty much every election.

Also, hard to argue protecting your base vote when Kamala is shedding votes everywhere else.

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The American left will have to come to terms with the fact that American voters just aren't all that into the left when the left becomes unburden by what has been.
 
I actually agree with this. Democrats in Texas need to be pro-gun like Gleusenkamp; that's one of the ways Beto O'Rourke kneecapped himself after 2018.
True. But she represents a good bit more than that. Till I stumbled on this video last year I'd never heard about her. Caused me to wonder how many more like her there might be in both parties. Working class/small business/problem solving congress people.
 
Simple question prompted by this Vox article. Should Kamala lose here in two weeks, do the Democrats need to pivot to the right to gain more voter support?
Yes, but Dems should do that anyway, regardless of whether Harris wins or loses. I give Kamala Harris credit for distancing herself from some of the Biden Administration's policies (e.g. immigration and inflation), and for walking back some of her own unpopular stances from her 2019 campaign (e.g. woke identity politics). I think she did about as well as she could on short notice, given that she didn't expect to be the nominee this election. I'm not sure if it will be enough, but either way, it's a good approach. Tack to the center, keep the popular parts of the Democratic agenda, and repudiate some of the worst excesses.
 
Another denial of reality from you. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat. Senators Sinema and Manchin were Democrats. Tulsi Gabbard was a Democrat. All left the party to become independents or Republicans.
Yep, we just kept leaving in droves. That doesn't mean we love the Republicans either. Trump is not the cure for what's wrong with WA DC. He does however tap into the energy of those who are no longer satisfied with either party pre-Trump. I don't know where we go from here, but even without the man, Trumpism remains.
Even yours truely used to be a Democrat before I started looking at both sides.
I was a Democrat since I was 18 years old. The light went on just like it did for all you've mentioned above. They're not tolerant, open-minded free thinkers. They are the party of control freaks. Everything they once were, they're not now.

As for that poster above. He's got a new trolling schtick. He goes from thread to thread telling former Democrats they were never Democrats. Such a winning strategy.
 
Another denial of reality from you. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat. Senators Sinema and Manchin were Democrats. Tulsi Gabbard was a Democrat. All left the party to become independents or Republicans.

Even yours truely used to be a Democrat before I started looking at both sides.

Yes, all Republicans used to be Democrats.:D
 
They were banking on his failure. They already knew he was too frail to continue. The public is so gullible to believe it was only because of the debate.
They would have been wiser to try to run him out before the primaries, by way of the 25th amendment if necessary, however may not have had anyone on the bench any better then Harris.
 
Trump is already further to the center than Biden/Harris.

Democrats are a centrist party so, that statement doesn’t check out
 
Yep, we just kept leaving in droves. That doesn't mean we love the Republicans either. Trump is not the cure for what's wrong with WA DC. He does however tap into the energy of those who are no longer satisfied with either party pre-Trump. I don't know where we go from here, but even without the man, Trumpism remains.
Trump was simply able to tap into the populist movement that is sick and tired of typical establishment politics in both parties in Washington DC. The democrats and the RINOs just do not want to admit it. They prefer to see Trump as some sort of pied piper for the right.
 
They would have been wiser to try to run him out before the primaries, by way of the 25th amendment if necessary, however may not have had anyone on the bench any better then Harris.

I think Harris was always going to be the next plan once they tricked old Biden into stepping down. I think she knew it too. They have to keep the Marxist grift going. This woman deceptively moved to the center only to get votes. She's as far left as her promoters, the people who are really running the WH. I don't think she will win the election because the people can see right through her, but we'll see. I was wrong about who would win both the 2016 and 2020 elections, so I don't exactly have a record of guessing correctly. She may pull this off.
 
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Trump was simply able to tap into the populist movement that is sick and tired of typical establishment politics both parties in Washington DC. The democrats and the RINOs just do not want to admit it. They prefer to see Trump as some sort of pied piper for the right.

That's it.
The Democrats and a lot of Republicans are more alike than not. However, without Trump they don't have a chance for reelection. Populism is the new Republican Party, even without the man. The people are calling the shots now. :)
 
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