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If Democrats think single-payor healtcare is such a great idea,...

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?
 

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?

It can't work at the state level because states can't print new money. Thanks to the political left ruining the healthcare market, the only way any sort of universal healthcare will work is to pass it at the federal level and crank up the money printer to 11.

 

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?
If California were allowed to run its own economy they would have more than enough money
 

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It can't work at the state level because states can't print new money. Thanks to the political left ruining the healthcare market, the only way any sort of universal healthcare will work is to pass it at the federal level and crank up the money printer to 11.

Why not soak the rich californians and ask the feds to let them put medicare taxes into it? Calis budget surplus is near 100bn. Surely that would cover it.
 

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?

Every industrialized country in the world has it, so we know its a good idea. Good grief, how ****ing dumb do you have to be to make such a moronic statement? It works better on national scale
 

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Every industrialized country in the world has it, so we know its a good idea. Good grief, how ****ing dumb do you have to be to make such a moronic statement? It works better on national scale

Good grief, how ****ing dumb do you have to be not to realize that the "scale" of CA is much larger than the national scale of many countries that have single-payor.
 

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?
Because, contrary to right wing rhetoric, California is not a radical leftist state.
 

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Good grief, how ****ing dumb do you have to be not to realize that the "scale" of CA is much larger than the national scale of many countries that have single-payor.
It works better on a national scale for reasons beyond the literal number of people. Do..do I need to explain why?
 

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Because, contrary to right wing rhetoric, California is not a radical leftist state.
You think single-payor healthcare is a radical leftist idea?

It works better on a national scale for reasons beyond the literal number of people. Do..do I need to explain why?
If you want your claim to be taken seriously, sure.
 

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You think single-payor healthcare is a radical leftist idea?
No, you've got it backwards. Universal healthcare is moderate at most, it's the norm throughout the world. It's not a leftist position. It's barely a liberal position. Conservatives think California is a "radical leftist" or "socialist" state, but how can a state be described as radically left when it hasn't implemented even the most basic of liberal positions? It's particularly hilarious when they point at things like the homeless population. They point at the results of capitalism as evidence that socialism is bad.

If you want your claim to be taken seriously, sure.
For one, people travel. Does a CaliforniaCare system get recognized by a hospital in Texas? Do they need a whole ass second insurance plan to cover anything that happens out of state? Does California need to negotiate with every single insurance company in every single state? Talk about administrative redundancy. A national system solves this issue.

Businesses would find a harder time in setting up out of state operations, having to have an additional redundant insurance system for those employees. It gets even more complex when you start talking about remote work. (A bit of a thing in Silicon Valley!)

The real reason California doesn't have single-payer healthcare, though, is that it's just not that liberal of a state. (it's important to not confuse "Democrat" with "liberal")
 

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?
Simple.. because a good portion of California gets its healthcare from the federal government.
 

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The US is too capitalist, too entrenched, too locked in its capitalist ways to make the changes to healthcare that are actually needed. It will not happen until we have a transition to socialism.
 

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For one, people travel. Does a CaliforniaCare system get recognized by a hospital in Texas? Do they need a whole ass second insurance plan to cover anything that happens out of state? Does California need to negotiate with every single insurance company in every single state? Talk about administrative redundancy. A national system solves this issue.

California (and many insurers, for that matter) already deals with this in Medi-Cal, in that emergency services are covered if you're out of the state. This isn't a common circumstance, so holding this up as some key barrier to a state-level health program is odd.

Businesses would find a harder time in setting up out of state operations, having to have an additional redundant insurance system for those employees. It gets even more complex when you start talking about remote work. (A bit of a thing in Silicon Valley!)

What would be harder about it? Employees who are residents of California no longer enroll in any employer-based plans. Employees who are residents of some other state get access to some private plan(s) that are available wherever they happen to live, same as now.

There are genuine, but not insurmountable, barriers to state-level single-payer, but I don't think these are them.
 

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....why doesn't California, the world's 5th largest economy, have it already?

The biggest reason we don't is because so far, the two or three attempts were sloppy as Hell.
Simple as that.
Jerry Brown specifically said that it pained him to veto the first attempt which was written mostly by the California Nurses Association, and Newsom has vetoed either one or two similarly badly crafted ideas as well.
 

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California (and many insurers, for that matter) already deals with this in Medi-Cal, in that emergency services are covered if you're out of the state. This isn't a common circumstance, so holding this up as some key barrier to a state-level health program is odd.



What would be harder about it? Employees who are residents of California no longer enroll in any employer-based plans. Employees who are residents of some other state get access to some private plan(s) that are available wherever they happen to live, same as now.

There are genuine, but not insurmountable, barriers to state-level single-payer, but I don't think these are them.
I said these are barriers, not "key barriers," nor are they the real reason California doesn't have single-payer. The real reason is found in the part of my post you inexplicably edited out.
 
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