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If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?


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True, but as a member of La Raza he shows potential for bias out of the gate.

What you're saying is not true, but if this is the tree Trump wants to hang himself from...

The closest thing to a cogent (though couched) defense I've read of Trump's behavior comes from Alberto Gonzalez. <link>:

Curiel is, reportedly, a member of a group called La Raza Lawyers of San Diego. Drumpf’s aides, meanwhile, have indicated that they believe Curiel is a member of the National Council of La Raza, a vocal advocacy organization that has vigorously condemned Drumpf and his views on immigration. The two groups are unaffiliated, and Curiel is not a member of NCLR. But Drumpf may be concerned that the lawyers’ association or its members represent or support the other advocacy organization. Coupled with that question is the fact that in 2014, when he certified the class-action lawsuit against Drumpf, Curiel appointed the Robbins Geller law firm to represent plaintiffs. Robbins Geller has paid $675,000 in speaking fees since 2009 to Drumpf’s likely opponent, Hillary Clinton, and to her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Curiel appointed the firm in the case before Drumpf entered the presidential race, but again, it might not be unreasonable for a defendant in Drumpf’s position to wonder who Curiel favors in the presidential election. These circumstances, while not necessarily conclusive, at least raise a legitimate question to be considered. Regardless of the way Drumpf has gone about raising his concerns over whether he’s getting a fair trial, none of us should dismiss those concerns out of hand without carefully examining how a defendant in his position might perceive them — and we certainly should not dismiss them for partisan political reasons.
 
Its so absurd I find it hard to believe Trump said it and even harder to believe his followers are defending him.

I am legitimately curious if there is a line with them.
 
Is there anything in the judges legal decisions that might warrant question?
 
Since a white person would be sued, it's fair then to say a white judge and all white jurists should recuse themselves as well.
Twisting yourself into knots trying to make this a racist incident? THERE IS NO RACISM FROM EITHER TRUMP NOR THE JUDGE. If 12 white jurors who belong to the BLM movement are the jury against an African-American, there is no prejudice against the African-American but if 12 KKK members are on the jury for a trial against an African-American, there is racism. You mistakenly think that a person's skin color denote what that person thinks.

There have been disparaging remarks made from both the Trump camp and the judge's camp about each other's ideology. Trump's ideology about a wall being built and undocumenteds deported flies directly in the face of the judge's ideology as a member of La Rasa which is to loosen immigration laws for undocumented Mexicans.

The judge should recuse himself. The situation looks like a biased against Trump trial. Get rid of the judge. Put in a judge who can be more equitable. Or, I guess, the state of New York can waste its money on a mistrial.
 
Twisting yourself into knots trying to make this a racist incident? THERE IS NO RACISM FROM EITHER TRUMP NOR THE JUDGE. If 12 white jurors who belong to the BLM movement are the jury against an African-American, there is no prejudice against the African-American but if 12 KKK members are on the jury for a trial against an African-American, there is racism. You mistakenly think that a person's skin color denote what that person thinks.

There have been disparaging remarks made from both the Trump camp and the judge's camp about each other's ideology. Trump's ideology about a wall being built and undocumenteds deported flies directly in the face of the judge's ideology as a member of La Rasa which is to loosen immigration laws for undocumented Mexicans.

The judge should recuse himself. The situation looks like a biased against Trump trial. Get rid of the judge. Put in a judge who can be more equitable. Or, I guess, the state of New York can waste its money on a mistrial.

Sure, get rid of the judge, so long as you don't let a white judge preside over the case as well.
 
It is really simple. Before I make my argument, I want to make two things crystal clear:

1. I think David Duke's attitudes about race are indefensible and despicable.
2. I think Donald Trump's argument to have Judge Curiel recuse himself was ill advised and certainly criticizable in how he has done it.

However, I think David Duke is a racist. I do not think Donald Trump is a racist.

But yes, given the history and the level to which David Duke has offended black people, he could legitimately question the objectivity of a black judge and should be able to request a white judge. The worst among us is still constitutionally entitled to fair and impartial treatment by the courts.

Donald Trump is entirely entitled to question the objectivity of a judge of Mexican descent who is a member of the La Raza Lawyers association and was recently honored by them for his leadership and work for that community and association. And while there is absolutely nothing wrong with that particular group, it is dedicated to supporting the Latino community. And the Hispanic community has largely protested Trump's wall and deportation of illegals platform. Trump's glaring flaw was in not in making it clear he was objecting to the objectivity of the judge on that basis instead of framing his objection that the judge was Mexican.

And the case has nothing at all to do with immigration issues. Thus it seems you are arguing, as he is, that a Judge who is an American - born in this country, is incapable of being fair to Trump in a lawsuit because that individual is of Mexican descent.

As to whether Trump is a racist or bigot, that would be subjective, but he certainly has made a fair number of racist and bigoted statements over the last year including this one.
 
And the case has nothing at all to do with immigration issues. Thus it seems you are arguing, as he is, that a Judge who is an American - born in this country, is incapable of being fair to Trump in a lawsuit because that individual is of Mexican descent.

As to whether Trump is a racist or bigot, that would be subjective, but he certainly has made a fair number of racist and bigoted statements over the last year including this one.
Twisting yourself into knots trying to make this a racist incident?
Read my post #104.
 
What you're saying is not true, but if this is the tree Trump wants to hang himself from...

The closest thing to a cogent (though couched) defense I've read of Trump's behavior comes from Alberto Gonzalez. <link>http://www.debatepolitics.com/:

So being a member of the "La Raza" legal group doen't show any bias? I beg to differ. I think that it does show a predilection for immigrant causes in America. Giving a law school scholarship to an illegal, for example?
 
Maybe in Trump's America we can get rid of such silly laws.

How many laws have you seen Presidents undue? That's right, zero. No one in the federal govt undoes anything, hell would have to freeze over 10 consecutive years in a row, and bluebirds would have to move to the North Pole every other year without fail for them to ever change anything.
 
There have been disparaging remarks made from both the Trump camp and the judge's camp about each other's ideology. Trump's ideology about a wall being built and undocumenteds deported flies directly in the face of the judge's ideology as a member of La Rasa which is to loosen immigration laws for undocumented Mexicans.

So being a member of the "La Raza" legal group doen't show any bias? I beg to differ. I think that it does show a predilection for immigrant causes in America. Giving a law school scholarship to an illegal, for example?

You're both wrong and getting wronger with every post. The judge is a member of Raza Lawyers of San Diego. You are referring to the National Council of La Raza. I can understand getting this mixed up briefly, but they are different, unrelated organizations.

You're promoting a lie that clings to that confusion, and the assumption there is a relationship based on a similar name. Weak sauce, Trump!

Unless you can substantiate a relationship between them?

If one exists, we'll no doubt hear of it soon. When that doesn't materialize, will you acknowledge your mistake?
 
How many laws have you seen Presidents undue? That's right, zero. No one in the federal govt undoes anything, hell would have to freeze over 10 consecutive years in a row, and bluebirds would have to move to the North Pole every other year without fail for them to ever change anything.
Presidents undo (ignore) laws with executive orders.
 
You're both wrong and getting wronger with every post. The judge is a member of Raza Lawyers of San Diego. You are referring to the National Council of La Raza. I can understand getting this mixed up briefly, but they are different, unrelated organizations.

You're promoting a lie that clings to that confusion, and the assumption there is a relationship based on a similar name. Weak sauce, Trump!

Unless you can substantiate a relationship between them?

If one exists, we'll no doubt hear of it soon. When that doesn't materialize, will you acknowledge your mistake?



Wrong.

As a member of the La Raza lawyer group, the good judge is part of a group that has named itself 'The RACE'. That's what La Raza means. Also, this is a group which has given at least one, maybe more, scholarships to an illegal alien. Excuse me, and 'undocumented' immigrant.
 
You're both wrong and getting wronger with every post. The judge is a member of Raza Lawyers of San Diego. You are referring to the National Council of La Raza. I can understand getting this mixed up briefly, but they are different, unrelated organizations.

You're promoting a lie that clings to that confusion, and the assumption there is a relationship based on a similar name. Weak sauce, Trump!

Unless you can substantiate a relationship between them?

If one exists, we'll no doubt hear of it soon. When that doesn't materialize, will you acknowledge your mistake?
Is the McDonald's of San Diego and the McDonald's of Podunk Center, Iowa not the same? Not have the same philosophy La Raza of San Diego and La Rasa? What is the difference in philosophy? Can you distinguish it? Recuse the judge.
 
Post #104 in a shorten version for your understanding.

Tell it to Trump. He thinks the judge's parents' national origins disqualify him.
 
Tell it to Trump. He thinks the judge's parents' national origins disqualify him.
Explain what Trump is thinking. I know you're trying to twist this into a racist incident.
 
Explain what Trump is thinking. I know you're trying to twist this into a racist incident.

I don't know what is in Trump's head. Nobody does. His reasoning for demanding the judge recuse himself, however, is because of his "Mexican heritage."
 
I don't know what is in Trump's head. Nobody does. His reasoning for demanding the judge recuse himself, however, is because of his "Mexican heritage."
Explain how you know this. Maybe you just want to twist this into a racist incident?
 
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