If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

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Is there even a point?

Well, I dunno. I lack sleep, so maybe I am missing something obvious. Wouldn't be the first time. Maybe since I clarified SDs comments he thought I was a Trump supporter. I dunno...

 

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Megan Kelly pointed this fact out almost immediately on Fox News. Did not even slow down the Trumpettes a second, they just keep repeating the La Raza lie. Watch, after you posted this they will keep saying the judge is La Raza. Wont phase them and if they say it often enough, they will truly believe it. the magic of the noise machine.

Common tactic of the last 20 years. People remember the accusation, not the correction.

 

[Howler63]

What? Can you clarify what the **** your point is?

Think about it. if the judge considers himself as 'Mexican-American' this means he's got an affinity for the country of his origin. If that is true, wouldn't it merely be prudent of Trump to if the His Honor harbors at least some biases? Especially in light of some of the unflattering things Trump has said about Mexicans over the past few months? And when the judge claims to be proud of his Mexican heritage, wouldn't that also show at least some potential for bias?

These are all good questions that beg answering.

 

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Think about it. if the judge considers himself as 'Mexican-American' this means he's got an affinity for the country of his origin. If that is true, wouldn't it merely be prudent of Trump to see if the His Honor harbors at least some biases? Especially in light of some of the unflattering things Trump has said about Mexicans over the past few months? And when the judge claims to be proud of his Mexican heritage, wouldn't that also show at least some potential for bias?

These are all good questions that beg answering.

The country of his origin is the US. Mexican American refers to his ethnicity, something we all have. I am German Dutch American. There are no inherent biases in an ethnicity.

Those are silly questions, that beg to be mocked. Especially if you look at his record as a prosecutor.

 

[mak2]

Our court system would crumble in days.

Think about it. if the judge considers himself as 'Mexican-American' this means he's got an affinity for the country of his origin. If that is true, wouldn't it merely be prudent of Trump to if the His Honor harbors at least some biases? Especially in light of some of the unflattering things Trump has said about Mexicans over the past few months? And when the judge claims to be proud of his Mexican heritage, wouldn't that also show at least some potential for bias?

These are all good questions that beg answering.

 

[Howler63]

The country of his origin is the US. Mexican American refers to his ethnicity, something we all have. I am German Dutch American. There are no inherent biases in an ethnicity.

Those are silly questions, that beg to be mocked. Especially if you look at his record as a prosecutor.

No, this is one of those occasions in which being a "hyphenated American" means something. If the judge refers to himself as such, his potential for bias is suspect.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best.

“There is no room in this country,” Roosevelt bellowed, “for hyphenated Americanism…German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.”

 

[Howler63]

Our court system would crumble in days.

How so? The question isn't should he recuse himself. I said it would be prudent of Trump to at least ask the questions. Vetting the Judge or opposing lawyer and looking for conflicts of interest are very common (and valid) legal tactics.

 

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No, this is one of those occasions in which being a "hyphenated American" means something. If the judge refers to himself as such, his potential for bias is suspect.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best.

It does not indicate any potential for bias. That is just plain silly.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

No, this is one of those occasions in which being a "hyphenated American" means something. If the judge refers to himself as such, his potential for bias is suspect.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best.

That's still not even remotely any indication of bias or a reason to recuse himself..

 

[mak2]

OF course it is. The judge is "them" people. We gots to take Merica back and make it great again. We cant do that if "they" are in charge and judging us.

That's still not even remotely any indication of bias and a reason to recuse himself..

 

[Howler63]

That's still not even remotely any indication of bias and a reason to recuse himself..

Not saying that there is. But if there is....well, Trump's team will find it and bring it up. As is their responsibility.

 

[WillyPete]

Think about it. if the judge considers himself as 'Mexican-American' this means he's got an affinity for the country of his origin. If that is true, wouldn't it merely be prudent of Trump to if the His Honor harbors at least some biases? Especially in light of some of the unflattering things Trump has said about Mexicans over the past few months? And when the judge claims to be proud of his Mexican heritage, wouldn't that also show at least some potential for bias?

These are all good questions that beg answering.

In the interview I saw, Trump claimed this judge is making bad ruling, and these demonstrate bias.

If that's the case, he should speak to the merits of those rulings, rather than making assumptions based on his ancestry.

Find a different seated judge (acceptable to Trump) that says this judge's ruling demonstrate bias, and maybe there's merit to Trump argument.

If he's biased, it doesn't matter why he's biased.

 

[cabse5]

Let's cross that bridge when and if we ever come to it.

Why waste our time worrying about what may never happen?

Cross which bridge? The judge is an advocate of La Raza. Get rid of him.

 

[Howler63]

OF course it is. The judge is "them" people. We gots to take Merica back and make it great again. We cant do that if "they" are in charge and judging us.

You're ascribing racism, which doesn't fit here, to legal positioning. And bear in mind, I am NO Trump supporter. But he's dealt with the legal system for decades and he knows how it works. If you can call a judge's impartiality into question, then you can sew doubt. And doubt is a pretty handy tool in court.

 

[mak2]

Hate to say I told you so, but...

Different La Raza. <link>http://www.debatepolitics.com/

Megan Kelly pointed this fact out almost immediately on Fox News. Did not even slow down the Trumpettes a second, they just keep repeating the La Raza lie. Watch, after you posted this they will keep saying the judge is La Raza. Wont phase them and if they say it often enough, they will truly believe it. the magic of the noise machine.

Cross which bridge? The judge is an advocate of La Raza. Get rid of him.

 

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Cross which bridge? The judge is an advocate of La Raza. Get rid of him.

That has been refuted multiple times in this thread...

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Not saying that there is. But if there is....well, Trump's team will find it and bring it up. As is their responsibility.

Seeing as these two lawsuits were started in 2010 and 2013 respectively, they would have already done so by now (or they're utterly incompetent, perhaps).

It's all about the show with Trump. Grandstanding, bloviating, braying.

 

[Howler63]

Cross which bridge? The judge is an advocate of La Raza. Get rid of him.

How do you know this? Do you have a link? If so, Trump is standing on FIRM ground.

 

[Cardinal]

Would it surprise you if his legal team requested that a black jurist recuse himself? That's what we're talking about, after all. Is it REASONABLE to ask. And yes, it is.

Since a white person would be sued, it's fair then to say a white judge and all white jurists should recuse themselves as well.

 

[cabse5]

How do you know this <judge is a member of La Rasa>? Do you have a link? If so, Trump is standing on FIRM ground.

Trump University Judge Is Member Of La Raza | The Daily Caller

 

[Howler63]

Seeing as these two lawsuits were started in 2010 and 2013 respectively, they would have already done so by now (or they're utterly incompetent, perhaps).

It's all about the show with Trump. Grandstanding, bloviating, braying.

Legally, he's stalling, delaying, and jamming up the system as part of a legal strategy.

 

[mak2]

Its so absurd I find it hard to believe Trump said it and even harder to believe his followers are defending him.

Since a white person would be sued, it's fair then to say a white judge and all white jurists should recuse themselves as well.

 

[Howler63]

Trump University Judge Is Member Of La Raza | The Daily Caller

Ok..so here it is.

This judge has openly declared for a group that wants to reconquer the Southwest for Mexico. The potential for bias has been revealed and Trump is absolutely prudent to question the judge's decisions.

 

[Howler63]

In the interview I saw, Trump claimed this judge is making bad ruling, and these demonstrate bias.

If that's the case, he should speak to the merits of those rulings, rather than making assumptions based on his ancestry.

Find a different seated judge (acceptable to Trump) that says this judge's ruling demonstrate bias, and maybe there's merit to Trump argument.

If he's biased, it doesn't matter why he's biased.

True, but as a member of La Raza he shows potential for bias out of the gate.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Donald Trump claims that the fact that the judge in Trump University case is of Mexican descent, he is incapable of being fair to him as a judge. So, if David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

It is really simple. Before I make my argument, I want to make two things crystal clear:

1. I think David Duke's attitudes about race are indefensible and despicable.
2. I think Donald Trump's argument to have Judge Curiel recuse himself was ill advised and certainly criticizable in how he has done it.

However, I think David Duke is a racist. I do not think Donald Trump is a racist.

But yes, given the history and the level to which David Duke has offended black people, he could legitimately question the objectivity of a black judge and should be able to request a white judge. The worst among us is still constitutionally entitled to fair and impartial treatment by the courts.

Donald Trump is entirely entitled to question the objectivity of a judge of Mexican descent who is a member of the La Raza Lawyers association and was recently honored by them for his leadership and work for that community and association. And while there is absolutely nothing wrong with that particular group, it is dedicated to supporting the Latino community. And the Hispanic community has largely protested Trump's wall and deportation of illegals platform. Trump's glaring flaw was in not in making it clear he was objecting to the objectivity of the judge on that basis instead of framing his objection that the judge was Mexican.