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How does an employee know the relgious faith of their prospective employer...that pre-supposes that Muslims look or act a certain way. What does a Christian look like?
So we've gone from one company providing 16 instead of 20 contraceptives to Muslims not reimbursing their employees for non-halal meals?
There is a way around that for anyone who thinks that will happen. Ask what your employer's T&E reimbursement policy is, and comply, or leave.
(TOTALLY OT) - haven't had time to go to hockey thread. Have fun with Richards. I'm going to miss him. You guys lucked out.
That's true. But do you really want to have to deal with a corporation's religious 'beliefs' when you're looking at jobs? Do you really think an employer should be able to dictate their religious beliefs to employees?
((OT)) I'm still amazed at the deals Bowman has gotten this summer.
Hmm. How about only allowing employees to expense Halal meats when traveling - because the owners do not want to promote non-halal foods.
How about requiring five prayer breaks per day - no working allowed, you dont have to participate, but you have to hang up the phone and stop serving customers when the call to prayer sounds - irregardless of you closing a deal to get commission or bonus.
What about refusing to pay for health care unless you get it at a sex-segregated clinic? Or have the care performed by a physician of the same sex?
How does an employee know the relgious faith of their prospective employer...that pre-supposes that Muslims look or act a certain way.What does a Christian look like?
If an employer believes in Sharia Law should they be allowed to impose Sharia law on its employees?
The big problem with this ruling is that Hobby Lobby didn't need to prove that these contraceptive methods were abortion... they merely had to say that they BELIEVED that they were abortion.I'm surprised there's only been this much spillover of the Hobby Lobby crap so far.
Why the hell are you people getting so steamed about Hobby Lobby? This was a very narrow ruling. First, it was about four contraceptive medicines, all of which terminate a fertilized cell. All the other mandated contraceptives are still covered. Second, this ruling only applies to hobby Lobby. Any other companies that want these select few contraceptives to be paid for by the employee instead of the employer, have to file a case with the Supreme Court to be added to this ruling, and to do that they have to prove they're a religious company of some sort. So would all the progressives, socialists, liberals, or whatever you list yourself as on the forum, please clam the hell down??? Okay?
The big problem with this ruling is that Hobby Lobby didn't need to prove that these contraceptive methods were abortion... they merely had to say that they BELIEVED that they were abortion.
The SCOTUS decision is not based on scientific fact ...it is based on a BELIEF.
They believe not just that abortion is wrong they also believe that these four contraceptive methods are abortion.
BTW they are not.
and what are you thinking in regards to rabid liberals getting butthurt over that decision?... got any off topic video to reflect your views on that?
The ruling may seem that narrow ... but precedence of law looks at the process by which that ruling was decided. This is why Ginsberg described it as " a decision of startling breadth."Fair enough. If a muslim-owned business wants to avoid paying for four inexpensive BC medications for religious reasons, they are free to bring their case up before the Supreme Court.
First off, sharia law is an oxymoron. Sharia = law in arabic. That's what the word means.
Secondly, no, because sharia also means that you cut off peoples' hands for stealing. It is not just a law affecting whether or not a certain medication is dispensed, it also dictates that you're going to behave in a certain way towards yourself and others. Not to mention that if you're a non-muslim, you'll be killed should you offend the muslim store owner. You must accept your role as a dhimmi.
Is this monumentally stupid thread supposed to be a clever comparison to the hobby lobby case? Because it's not.
In the Hobby Lobby case any woman that works for Hobby Lobby can still get any form of birth control available in this country. Hobby Lobby may not pay for it but they are in no way forcing their religious views on the women that work for them.
So to the OP.
THREAD FAIL!
YOU LOSE!
DO NOT PASS GO!
DO NOT COLLECT $200!
Yeah now any employer will not need to prove anything. All they need do is state they believe something is true and they win.So a ruling based on the freedom of religion has more to do with belief than science? No way! Really???
If an employer believes in Sharia Law should they be allowed to impose Sharia law on its employees?
Do all Hobby Lobby employees believe that birth control is abortion? Are all Hobby Lobby employees evangelicals?
You have also missed the thrust of the SCOTUS decision.
Yeah now any employer will not need to prove anything. All they need do is state they believe something is true and they win.
Contraception is not abortion. HL didn't have to prove that it is ...they only had to state that they "BELIEVE" that it is.
Liberals and socialists are big on imposing things but under what constitutional provision do you believe that a business can impose a religious belief on employees? If you're trying to build off the Hobby Lobby ruling, you're playing at a false equivalency. Hobby Lobby in no way is imposing their religious beliefs on their employees - their employees are free to get pregnant and have as many chemical or surgical abortions as they desire, provided their work doesn't suffer and they pay for it themselves. The only one imposing anything was the government, on Hobby Lobby.
Yeah now any employer will not need to prove anything. All they need do is state they believe something is true and they win.
Contraception is not abortion. HL didn't have to prove that it is ...they only had to state that they "BELIEVE" that it is.
The left is trying to force Hobby Lobby (the employer) to pay for abortions.
First, it was about four contraceptive medicines, all of which terminate a fertilized cell. All the other mandated contraceptives are still covered.
These medicines terminate a fertile cell, if I'm not mistaken.
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