If a woman slaps a man he should be able to slap her back... right???

[RGacky3]

We have an obvious disconnect when it comes to defining aggressive violence.

If a woman smacks a man first, you say it is a "provocation". If he smacks her back, that is "aggressive violence". Your ethics are slanted and biased.

The difference is a woman slapping you is not gonna physically injure you in anyway and it isn't really a threat, you slapping a woman IS gonna physically injure her and threaten her saftey.

No, it is a RESPONSE to the "provocation"... which is actually an initiation of violence. You don't believe me, check the law... a smack in the face is simple assault in any jurisdiction I know about. Even if you swing and miss it is assault. Grabbing someone in a hostile manner is assault, in some cases assault and battery.

If the initial smack was not justified (and it usually isn't), it likely represents a pattern of behavior that is likely to continue if it goes unchallenged and unanswered. While as I've said striking back is less than an ideal reaction, it is an understandable one.

These things do not usually take place in a vacuum, but as a result of arguments escalating beyond reason. Man and woman argue; argument turns into screaming and becomes highly emotional; man, realizing his control over his emotions has become thin, attempts to withdraw from argument. Woman, not wanting to let him "escape", grabs his arm. Wrong signal: he's now hyper-emotional and struggling to control himself AND the woman has engaged in hostile physical contact. He jerks away and she smacks him in the face.... WRONG SIGNAL! BAD IDEA!

A man on the edge of losing his temper has just had a "you are under attack!" signal slammed into his already-seething brain.

The odds that he will strike back instinctively before his conscious mind can catch up and say "NOOooooo!" is very high at this point.

And in such a circumstance, while less than ideal I can't really blame him.

I see these bumper stickers all the time... "Real men don't hit women!"

Okay... but we need to add one line under that: "SMART women don't hit men first!"

It's a bad idea. It sends the wrong signal, especially if you just infuriated him to the every edge of his endurance already.

I don't think a woman slapping you would put a man justifiably in the "you are under attack" mode, obviously cases may vary, but in general, a slap from a woman does not put a man inphysical danger.

Oh yeah, one addendum...

She's accountable to more than just herself; she's accountable to ME, because I'm the one she hit without provocation.

I'm talking about morally, you are morally accountable for what YOU do, not for what other people do.

 

[Zalatix]

1. Get you're arguments straight, is it a deterrance or is it an eye for an eye.

You are the one pushing the eye for an eye thing and panicking out over it. The rest of your arguments devolve too much for me to bother with.

 

[RGacky3]

You are the one pushing the eye for an eye thing and panicking out over it. The rest of your arguments devolve too much for me to bother with.

No I'm not, I'm not talking about positive action over eye for and eye, I'm talking about when physical violence is justified, and its when your life or physical saftey is in danger.

 

[Goshin]

No I'm not, I'm not talking about positive action over eye for and eye, I'm talking about when physical violence is justified, and its when your life or physical saftey is in danger.

Which generally does not apply to the woman slapping the man because she is pissed. She is initiating violence when her safety is not in danger.

You can't have it both ways. A slap is violence or it isn't. It is justified or it isn't. You're getting convoluted in an attempt to excuse female aggression as something other than unwarranted violence.

 

[Goshin]

The difference is a woman slapping you is not gonna physically injure you in anyway and it isn't really a threat, you slapping a woman IS gonna physically injure her and threaten her saftey.



I don't think a woman slapping you would put a man justifiably in the "you are under attack" mode, obviously cases may vary, but in general, a slap from a woman does not put a man inphysical danger.

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I can see someone arguing this from a position of inexperience, but if you'd ever been in a situation where an argument had escalated beyond all reason, emotions were running at the edge of sanity and suddenly someone initiates violent contact, you'd probably understand the point better.

 

[X Factor]

I doubt this blanket statement is true as you make it


really?
so you dont believe i should have the right for self defense and I should be charged with assault if someone attacks me and i strike back??

woman are allowed to use deadly force to stop them from being raped, do you think that is wrong and they deserve to be tried for murder?

Well what if she slapped him first?

sorry thats nonsensical to me, id never believe in that, i do believe in the aggressor part of the law fully

if you dont want hit dont hit me

OJ, be consistent in your arguments. Self defense has not been an issue in this discussion for awhile now. If you're talking about "teaching her a lesson" or "making her pay" for a bad decision, that not self defense and trying to fall back onto calling it self defense (and now trying to use the example of a woman about to be raped) is a little disingenuous.

 

[Goshin]

Except we really haven't been talking about self defense for awhile now. Self defense is about using only that force necessary to repel a threat and get yourself out of a harmful situation. Gip says that her just taking a swing at him is enough to want her to "taste asphalt". OJ's example of the kickboxer was clearly not a self defense scenario. If you believe a woman essentially "earns" or "deserves" the greater physical response because she started it, that's not a question of self defense, it's more retaliation.

Would you let a man hit you and walk away? Or better still, smack you and then stand there smirking like "ha ha I hit you, what are you gonna do about it?"
I doubt it. Call it retaliation, whatever.... but letting someone initiate violence and get away with it is wrong.

Sure, it is best settled in a manner other than trading blows, no question. But these things don't happen in a vacuum, as I've said.... they tend to result from a pattern of increasing provocations escalating into abuse, and if not stopped it tends to only get worse.

I'm not talking about the man at the bar who says something off color and gets slapped for it, though I still say that is an initiation of violence and a bad idea on her part.

I'm talking about an unprovoked smack in the face by a woman who is just pissed off and thinks she can get away with it because of her gender.

Best thing? Walk away and never have anything to do with her again. Call 911 and have her arrested, if you can work up the nerve.

But if a man smacks her back, I have little sympathy for her because she is the one who initiated the violence.

Don't start none, there won't be none...

 

[RGacky3]

Which generally does not apply to the woman slapping the man because she is pissed. She is initiating violence when her safety is not in danger.

You can't have it both ways. A slap is violence or it isn't. It is justified or it isn't. You're getting convoluted in an attempt to excuse female aggression as something other than unwarranted violence.

It does apply, her actions are wrong ... I'm not excusing her.

I can see someone arguing this from a position of inexperience, but if you'd ever been in a situation where an argument had escalated beyond all reason, emotions were running at the edge of sanity and suddenly someone initiates violent contact, you'd probably understand the point better.

That's a valid point, in which case it's not a rational action, i.e. not a "choice" perse, and thus it's a different ethical question.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)It is such a right wing way of thinking "it was her fault, she deserved it."
2.)It doesn't matter who'se fault it is, you're responsible for what YOU do,
3.)and if you hit a woman, no matter what she did, unless your life is in danger, you're responsible for that, and you're morally reprehensible.

4.)No matter who's fault it is, it's your moral duty to avoid causing further harm.

5.)What I find ironic is that many right wing people claim to be christian yet are MILES away from understanding and much less applying basic christian ethics.

1.) opinion
2.) the law disagrees with you in most cases
3.) opinion
4.) opinion
5.) opinion

let me know when i care about any religion ethics when dealing with the rights, freedoms and liberties of AMERICANS in AMERICA

if you were paying attention i said "I" may conduct MYSELF differently but i wouldnt judge others which is VERY Christian LMAO

Next time check your emotions at the door and try using logic.

Unless of course you think its ok to force your views on others, judge others and you want america to only follow your opinion of what what YOUR god thinks and the heck with the rest of us LOL

 

[Goshin]

It does apply, her actions are wrong ... I'm not excusing her.



That's a valid point, in which case it's not a rational action, i.e. not a "choice" perse, and thus it's a different ethical question.

Okay, good post... let's explore this a little more.

I'm going to resort to personal example, though I'd rather not as it is not a pleasant memory.


I was married and a cop; I had the day off. Me and the wife were in bed, sleeping in (thankfully the baby was sleeping too, for a change). I was perpetually short on sleep those days.

Wifey had this (annoying, energy-wasting) habit of running her clothes in the dryer before putting them on in the morning, just so they'd be warm and freshly de-wrinkled. :shrug: okay as quirks go this one isn't a big deal.

She decides she wants to get up soon, so instead of doing it herself she wakes me up rather rudely and tells me to go turn the dryer on. I do so, and then get back into bed and go back to sleep. She goes back to sleep also. The dryer buzzes... instead of getting up and putting on her clothes, she elbows me awake and says "go turn the dryer back on". NOW I'm starting to get irritated... she's wasting power and interrupting my rare chance to catch up on some sleep... but I do it anyway.

Again, we both fall asleep again. Again, the dryer buzzes. Again, she elbows me awake and tells me to go turn the dryer back on. IN the mildest tone I can muster, I say "No, you can do it this time."

Well sir, the Gates of Hell swung open, just because of that. Within ten minutes we were out of the bed, she was screaming and cursing and saying the most hateful things imaginable, all because I wouldn't get out of bed for the THIRD time to waste electricity warming up her clothes that she kept not putting on. I tried to leave the bedroom, wanting to bring this crazy argument to a halt any way possible, and she got in my way, still screaming and cursing, and when I tried to go around her she slapped me in the face.

It was almost too much. I balled up a fist and turned around with murder in my eye, and she jumped back but kept right on running her mouth. I controlled myself but I'll bet it took a year off my life in stress. I left the house as quickly as I could and stayed away most of the day, because I didn't trust my temper.

That was just the first time. It continued, escalated and got worse until I had to bring the law into it lest SOMEONE get killed.

I hope that story helped put some of this in perspective for someone, because rememembering and telling it was about as much fun as chewing broken glass.

 

[MaggieD]

It's a provocation, not assault.

Slapping someone across the face is assault, either gender.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Well what if she slapped him first?



2.)OJ, be consistent in your arguments. Self defense has not been an issue in this discussion for awhile now. If you're talking about "teaching her a lesson" or "making her pay" for a bad decision, that not self defense and trying to fall back onto calling it self defense (and now trying to use the example of a woman about to be raped) is a little disingenuous.

1.) i dont get it lol if she slapped him first?

are you asking if that would make it ok to rape her?

2.) i have been very consistent, if you disagree point out where i factually have not been, not what you ASSUME i think, am saying or feel. Thats why i wanted you to simply ask me questions.

whats disingenuous is putting these things in quotes "teaching her a lesson" or "making her pay" and i never said them :shrug:

maybe you are mixing my posts with another

and my rape example was to show you that your blanket statement wasnt true or at least i guess its not true for you

 

[Gipper]

No, I wouldn't feel safe or relaxed knowing a man had that attitude. Even if I never raise my hand, I need to know potentially in the worst case scenario and under extreme provocation or extremely strong drink, if I ever did I would still be safe.



If I've been known to launch a few missiles in my time at people who were extremely unreasonable. The missile would be a box of Kleenex. Are you going to shoot me now in retaliation? As you have no issue with differing levels of force....

Sounds like you have some personal issues to work out. It's as simple as it can be: if you hit, you can expect to get hit back. Playing the "girl card" means nothing to me. If you do that, you're just a weak ass little girl. Do you want to admit to me that you're a weak ass little girl?

There are consequences to every action. If you swing at someone, either take your shot like a woman, or admit to being a weak ass little girl. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite - plain and simple.

 

[RGacky3]

1.) opinion
2.) the law disagrees with you in most cases
3.) opinion
4.) opinion
5.) opinion

let me know when i care about any religion ethics when dealing with the rights, freedoms and liberties of AMERICANS in AMERICA

if you were paying attention i said "I" may conduct MYSELF differently but i wouldnt judge others which is VERY Christian LMAO

Next time check your emotions at the door and try using logic.

Unless of course you think its ok to force your views on others, judge others and you want america to only follow your opinion of what what YOUR god thinks and the heck with the rest of us LOL

1. nope its an observation?
2. You have see anyone go to prison for something someone else did?
3. I'm just being morally consistant, unless of coarse you think violence is justified whenever one wants.
4. According to almost every moral theory it's the case, unless you have another one.
5. No it isn't, it's based entirely on Christian scripture.

Since when do rights and liberties only apply to Americans in America?

Conducting yourself in a way where you are judging other people of deserving you slapping them is not christian .... It IS judgement.

I am using logic, I suggest you do the same, and explain what justifies you slapping a woman who slaps you if that's what you believe is justified, is it eye for an eye? Self defence? "teaching a lesson"? What.

I'm saying it's morally wrong to hit a woman, even if she provokes it with a slap.

 

[RGacky3]

Slapping someone across the face is assault, either gender.

Not really, when I say assault I mean your physical well being is in danger. Generally if you're a man and a woman slaps you, you're not physically in danger of being seriously hurt.

So "self defence" isn't a justification.

 

[Goshin]

Not really, when I say assault I mean your physical well being is in danger. Generally if you're a man and a woman slaps you, you're not physically in danger of being seriously hurt.

So "self defence" isn't a justification.

The law disagrees with you. You can be charged with assault for slapping someone, regardless of gender.

 

[RGacky3]

The law disagrees with you. You can be charged with assault for slapping someone, regardless of gender.

Ok ... but I explained what I meant by assault, I was'nt refering to the legal term. I'm saying "when your physical well being is in danger."

 

[MaggieD]

Not really, when I say assault I mean your physical well being is in danger. Generally if you're a man and a woman slaps you, you're not physically in danger of being seriously hurt.

So "self defence" isn't a justification.

A slap across the face is an assault. Your "not really" notwithstanding. If someone spits in your face it's an assault. If someone smushes you in the face it's an assault. If someone chest bumps you it's an assault.

Technically, I'd suppose, a man has the right to return the slap. My position in this thread, however, is that it's very unwise to do so. I have a feeling Goshen would agree here. Very unwise to do so.

 

[Goshin]

A slap across the face is an assault. Your "not really" notwithstanding. If someone spits in your face it's an assault. If someone smushes you in the face it's an assault. If someone chest bumps you it's an assault.

Technically, I'd suppose, a man has the right to return the slap. My position in this thread, however, is that it's very unwise to do so. I have a feeling Goshen would agree here. Very unwise to do so.

Yes, it is unwise. In my personal example I refrained, with difficulty, from returning violence for violence. There were a variety of reasons for this... cultural conditioning not to strike women, and an awareness that in any domestic violence situation the man is assumed guilty until proven innocent... and also, believe it or not, I loved my wife and wanted to work things out.

As I said, things just escalated to the point that she was on the verge of doing me serious damage and threatening to kill me. I managed to obtain some physical evidence and a couple of witnesses and got her convicted of CDV, but it was a long hard rocky road to get there after a year-plus of escalating abuse.

My point is that in many situations I can understand a man smacking her back and don't really blame him. No, he shouldn't respond to a simple smack with a brain-rattling, tooth-breaking blow, but the point is females should not get a free pass for violent behavior just because their victim is a man.

I got the last laugh, I suppose... I kept the house and our child. But along the way I paid a high price for dealing with all that crap.

 

[Goshin]

Ok ... but I explained what I meant by assault, I was'nt refering to the legal term. I'm saying "when your physical well being is in danger."

Then don't use terms like "assault", that have a specific legal definition, when what you meant is something else that you personally define in your own way.

 

[MaggieD]

Yes, it is unwise. In my personal example I refrained, with difficulty, from returning violence for violence. There were a variety of reasons for this... cultural conditioning not to strike women, and an awareness that in any domestic violence situation the man is assumed guilty until proven innocent... and also, believe it or not, I loved my wife and wanted to work things out.

As I said, things just escalated to the point that she was on the verge of doing me serious damage and threatening to kill me. I managed to obtain some physical evidence and a couple of witnesses and got her convicted of CDV, but it was a long hard rocky road to get there after a year-plus of escalating abuse.

My point is that in many situations I can understand a man smacking her back and don't really blame him. No, he shouldn't respond to a simple smack with a brain-rattling, tooth-breaking blow, but the point is females should not get a free pass for violent behavior just because their victim is a man.

I got the last laugh, I suppose... I kept the house and our child. But along the way I paid a high price for dealing with all that crap.

Your story reminds me of my earlier post talking about women who use the threat of a domestic violence charge to control their men -- giving them free license to "come out swinging." Because you were a police officer, she figured she had a free pass. Glad you made the choices you made.

 

[Viv]

Heh, extremely testing times in relationships? You have no idea. I have been through the wringer more than once, rest assured. I do not resort to violence merely because things are difficult or even infurating.

You are far from the only person who has experienced a bad relationship, although most move on having realised the best revenge is to be happy.

You're giving me the impression that you LIKE to provoke a man to the edge of his endurance just to see what he will do, and again you seem to be advocating that as a woman you should get a free pass if you smack a man.

It's wise to figure out what you are dealing with and that is a way. Don't feign surprise, it's a tried and tested method used over centuries to figure people out.

If a woman slaps a man and he is under no threat, he should at most restrain her to prevent recurrence. It's not that difficult and whereas the adult to child ratio doesn't apply exactly, there is still disparity in physical strength which should direct his reaction.

There's a simple solution: don't go around TRYING to drive a man insane, don't HIT FIRST, and you won't have to worry about the return serve. Do unto others, etc.

Sigh...if someone slaps you, it's normally you who has driven them insane.

It is not about revenge. It is about deterrence. A predator who initiates violence and gets away with it, will do it again.

Frankly I wish a woman could hit a man very hard when he grabs her boobs without her consent. Attempted date rape? POW, RIGHT TO THE MOON with his ass. A woman should have equally strong self-defense options as a man; it's regrettable that nature doesn't work that way.

Rape culture would not exist if women could teach rapists a devastating lesson: don't ****ing do that or you get your nads or face smashed in.

Even if a guy grabs you, it's usually better to waste your drink than actually hit him and risk a return.

Which generally does not apply to the woman slapping the man because she is pissed. She is initiating violence when her safety is not in danger.

You can't have it both ways. A slap is violence or it isn't. It is justified or it isn't. You're getting convoluted in an attempt to excuse female aggression as something other than unwarranted violence.

Not really. Society has to promote a no tolerance line on slapping women. It can't work any other way.

Okay, good post... let's explore this a little more.

I'm going to resort to personal example, though I'd rather not as it is not a pleasant memory.


I was married and a cop; I had the day off. Me and the wife were in bed, sleeping in (thankfully the baby was sleeping too, for a change). I was perpetually short on sleep those days.

Wifey had this (annoying, energy-wasting) habit of running her clothes in the dryer before putting them on in the morning, just so they'd be warm and freshly de-wrinkled. :shrug: okay as quirks go this one isn't a big deal.

She decides she wants to get up soon, so instead of doing it herself she wakes me up rather rudely and tells me to go turn the dryer on. I do so, and then get back into bed and go back to sleep. She goes back to sleep also. The dryer buzzes... instead of getting up and putting on her clothes, she elbows me awake and says "go turn the dryer back on". NOW I'm starting to get irritated... she's wasting power and interrupting my rare chance to catch up on some sleep... but I do it anyway.

Again, we both fall asleep again. Again, the dryer buzzes. Again, she elbows me awake and tells me to go turn the dryer back on. IN the mildest tone I can muster, I say "No, you can do it this time."

Well sir, the Gates of Hell swung open, just because of that. Within ten minutes we were out of the bed, she was screaming and cursing and saying the most hateful things imaginable, all because I wouldn't get out of bed for the THIRD time to waste electricity warming up her clothes that she kept not putting on. I tried to leave the bedroom, wanting to bring this crazy argument to a halt any way possible, and she got in my way, still screaming and cursing, and when I tried to go around her she slapped me in the face.

It was almost too much. I balled up a fist and turned around with murder in my eye, and she jumped back but kept right on running her mouth. I controlled myself but I'll bet it took a year off my life in stress. I left the house as quickly as I could and stayed away most of the day, because I didn't trust my temper.

That was just the first time. It continued, escalated and got worse until I had to bring the law into it lest SOMEONE get killed.

I hope that story helped put some of this in perspective for someone, because rememembering and telling it was about as much fun as chewing broken glass.

How tired was your wife when that took place? You say you had a baby.

I understand your point and of course it was all unreasonable. Perhaps she was selfish. Perhaps you were too accommodating. Perhaps when people have a young family, the male is working and very tired and doesn't realise the woman is also working very very hard and is exhausted and can feel virtually a slave to her young baby. Lovely treasured time as that is, it is also very, very tiring and can be a bit of a shock to a woman who hasn't experienced or expected the physical tiredness little babies entail. When people are over tired, they tend to be unreasonable.

Sounds like you have some personal issues to work out.

It's not bad enough I'm to eat asphalt, now it's finger pointing and you have issues?:roll::roll: When you're in a hole, you want to stop digging.

It's as simple as it can be: if you hit, you can expect to get hit back. Playing the "girl card" means nothing to me. If you do that, you're just a weak ass little girl. Do you want to admit to me that you're a weak ass little girl?

What is weak about being a girl? Women are notoriously unpredictable (oh keep calm feminists). It's how we're made. On the off chance you offend your woman to the degree she belts you one (and from this gem of a post, who knows it might happen) it doesn't entitle you to break her jaw. Which you might. Being a "man" and physically stronger.

There are consequences to every action. If you swing at someone, either take your shot like a woman, or admit to being a weak ass little girl. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite - plain and simple.

If it comes to it, I'll knee you in a different region and then slap you when I can reach your ***** face. Please note this is a joke, not a threat and it does not justify any over aggressive retaliatory attacks.

A slap across the face is an assault. Your "not really" notwithstanding. If someone spits in your face it's an assault. If someone smushes you in the face it's an assault. If someone chest bumps you it's an assault.

Technically, I'd suppose, a man has the right to return the slap. My position in this thread, however, is that it's very unwise to do so. I have a feeling Goshen would agree here. Very unwise to do so.

Reasonable force for a slap from a woman is restraint, not retaliation.

 

[MaggieD]

You are far from the only person who has experienced a bad relationship, although most move on having realised the best revenge is to be happy.



It's wise to figure out what you are dealing with and that is a way. Don't feign surprise, it's a tried and tested method used over centuries to figure people out.

If a woman slaps a man and he is under no threat, he should at most restrain her to prevent recurrence. It's not that difficult and whereas the adult to child ratio doesn't apply exactly, there is still disparity in physical strength which should direct his reaction.



Sigh...if someone slaps you, it's normally you who has driven them insane.

Even if a guy grabs you, it's usually better to waste your drink than actually hit him and risk a return.

Not really. Society has to promote a no tolerance line on slapping women. It can't work any other way.

How tired was your wife when that took place? You say you had a baby.

I understand your point and of course it was all unreasonable. Perhaps she was selfish. Perhaps you were too accommodating. Perhaps when people have a young family, the male is working and very tired and doesn't realise the woman is also working very very hard and is exhausted and can feel virtually a slave to her young baby. Lovely treasured time as that is, it is also very, very tiring and can be a bit of a shock to a woman who hasn't experienced or expected the physical tiredness little babies entail. When people are over tired, they tend to be unreasonable.

It's not bad enough I'm to eat asphalt, now it's finger pointing and you have issues?:roll::roll: When you're in a hole, you want to stop digging.

What is weak about being a girl? Women are notoriously unpredictable (oh keep calm feminists). It's how we're made. On the off chance you offend your woman to the degree she belts you one (and from this gem of a post, who knows it might happen) it doesn't entitle you to break her jaw. Which you might. Being a "man" and physically stronger.

If it comes to it, I'll knee you in a different region and then slap you when I can reach your ***** face. Please note this is a joke, not a threat and it does not justify any over aggressive retaliatory attacks.

Reasonable force for a slap from a woman is restraint, not retaliation.

You sound like trouble.

 

[Zalatix]

Not really. Society has to promote a no tolerance line on slapping

Your argument would have been solid if this is where you ended the sentence.

 

[Goshin]

You are far from the only person who has experienced a bad relationship, although most move on having realised the best revenge is to be happy.



It's wise to figure out what you are dealing with and that is a way. Don't feign surprise, it's a tried and tested method used over centuries to figure people out.

If a woman slaps a man and he is under no threat, he should at most restrain her to prevent recurrence. It's not that difficult and whereas the adult to child ratio doesn't apply exactly, there is still disparity in physical strength which should direct his reaction.



Sigh...if someone slaps you, it's normally you who has driven them insane.



Even if a guy grabs you, it's usually better to waste your drink than actually hit him and risk a return.



Not really. Society has to promote a no tolerance line on slapping women. It can't work any other way.



How tired was your wife when that took place? You say you had a baby.

I understand your point and of course it was all unreasonable. Perhaps she was selfish. Perhaps you were too accommodating. Perhaps when people have a young family, the male is working and very tired and doesn't realise the woman is also working very very hard and is exhausted and can feel virtually a slave to her young baby. Lovely treasured time as that is, it is also very, very tiring and can be a bit of a shock to a woman who hasn't experienced or expected the physical tiredness little babies entail. When people are over tired, they tend to be unreasonable.



It's not bad enough I'm to eat asphalt, now it's finger pointing and you have issues?:roll::roll: When you're in a hole, you want to stop digging.



What is weak about being a girl? Women are notoriously unpredictable (oh keep calm feminists). It's how we're made. On the off chance you offend your woman to the degree she belts you one (and from this gem of a post, who knows it might happen) it doesn't entitle you to break her jaw. Which you might. Being a "man" and physically stronger.



If it comes to it, I'll knee you in a different region and then slap you when I can reach your ***** face. Please note this is a joke, not a threat and it does not justify any over aggressive retaliatory attacks.



Reasonable force for a slap from a woman is restraint, not retaliation.

All I'm reading here is that you're continuing to try to justify women provoking and attacking men, and continuing to claim feminine privilege against a response to your provocation. You sound like you'd try to justify ANY violence a woman commits against a man as something he can't respond to physically. You're even trying to justify my wife acting like a psycho-bitch over a trivial argument and assaulting me as "well she was tired". :roll: Well so was I, but I didn't resort to violence. You want it all one way.

The next time you run across a bear in the woods, poke him with a stick why don'cha... that is about how smart going out of your way to provoke and assault a man is.


So no, we won't be having a drink together as you mentioned earlier.... you sound like exactly the kind of woman I've learned to avoid.