ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[JohnfrmClevelan]

This is nothing more than politically self serving supposition.

There were records of a ten minute call between Jordan and trump on the morning of Jan. 6th, yet he couldn't seem to remember what that call was about. Do you seriously believe that he would forget a call with the POTUS so soon? Taking ridiculous positions isn't helping your case.

Dug some Trump hating GOPers wasn't hard to do. Of course that they were Trump hating GOPers was the primary requirement, and Pelosi's picks were exactly that.

It was a bipartisan commission. McCarthy had his chance to place non-suspects on that commission, but he took his ball and went home. None of this means that the evidence wasn't real. There is nothing any Republican could have added that would have changed the mountain of evidence against the attackers. Their refusal to participate was by far the most partisan thing about it. They refused to be on the Commission, and most refused to testify.

The evidence was overwhelming, and obviously harmful to the Republican brand, because their fingerprints were all over it. The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad. Refusing to participate and calling it a politically motivated hit job was just an effort to minimize the political damage. And some idiots actually believed this line of BS!

 

[TangoNoCash]

There could be an argument that states have a lot of responsibility and authority over immigration issues within their respective states.
Progressives, of course, are in no position to make it though.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Nope they are RINOs. Read their posts since being kicked out of office by their constituents. Cheney just hates Trump because her dad didn’t become President.

Their voting records prove that they weren't RINOS. You don't get more conservative than Cheney. They just had spines, and that doesn't fit with MAGATS.

Five people were arrested on weapons charges. Five out of 1500. Where all these weapons you think there.

There was plenty of bear spray. Sharpened flagpoles. Arms hidden away for later, too. Remember how trump wanted the magnetometers taken away?

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Deploying troops to protect federal property is a responsibility of the federal government.

So why didn't trump deploy the National Guard on Jan. 6th?

 

[Callen]

mplete and utter bullshit. I can point to numerous incidents of Democrat lawmakers encouraging violence. Do remember Maxine Waters encouraging folks to “get in people’s faces” and “get more confrontational”.

I said some are extreme. Will you acknowledge the same is true on the right?

More bullshit. How about the Freddy Gray riots in Baltimore. Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (Democrat) said "we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well."

What about Jan 6th and Trump encouraging a mob to express their anger at his stolen election ? The right described that violence as " legitimate political discourse"

They are criminals. They have violated immigration LAW

Some have some haven’t but there is a huge difference between an asylum seeker and a murderer. TheJan 6th offenders were criminals too.

My point is the right is defining the lefts position through their lens. It's like me calling you a racist because that's how I think racists think. It's me defining you through my lens. Anyhow, not worth the conversation because clearly there won't be one.

 

[TangoNoCash]

So why didn't trump deploy the National Guard on Jan. 6th?

Blah, blah, blah, something, something, Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Callen]

Nope they are RINOs. Read their posts since being kicked out of office by their constituents. Cheney just hates Trump because her dad didn’t become President.

Kinzinger in particular has exposed his RINO bonafides with his distaste for the 2A and his defense of gun control.

Why must a Republican agree with everything the party does and show unquestioning loyalty to their leader? I was brought up to hold elected officials accountable to me! To question that which I did not agree with. To question and challenge and seek to ensure elected were held to a high standard was a voters and a representatives responsibility. Lock step....is too close to goose step for me.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nonsense.

No, the collision course was set for this escalation and confrontation, only a matter of when and by whom.

This is a matter of Constitutional Law.

Clinton, Obama, Biden all deported more, to little fanfare.

This is a Trump problem. It only occurs under him.

Only after a case of de-facto open border policies which have imported millions upon millions, with a large number of violent criminals included (and not sufficiently vetted).
This too part of the escalation to an inevitable confrontation.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nonsense

It’s actually spot on and reality.

Your response is your classic projection and irony though.

All of your posts in this thread amount to projection, cherry picking and distortions.




The irony is indeed rich.

You’ll take the FBI’s word?

You’re seriously trying to use a long ago outdated article from August 2021.

A long ago outdated article which used anonymous sources. “according to four current and former law enforcement officials”.

And still can’t comprehend your own links.

The long ago outdated article from August 2021 that you’re still trying to peddle also clearly stated “at this point”. Shouldn’t be hard to comprehend that means as of August 2021, only seven months later.

Also shouldn’t be hard to comprehend that between August 2021 and now a lot more was was learned.

The majority of arrests hadn’t even taken place by August 2021.

But good to see you approve of anonymous sources even from almost four years ago when you think it can be spun to fit your bias.

 

[eohrnberger]

Cite the videos of police opening the doors so some could enter.

Already been posted here, and Google is your friends, if you are that interested.
Or is it that you are ignorantly trying to deny they exist?

 

[Emlee]

Nice try.

Doesn’t change your clear projection, distortions and cherry picking, nor does it change you hilariously tried peddling a long ago outdated article, while hilariously trying to claim you believe the FBI.

Yes, your posts amount to yawns.

 

[Emlee]

Already been posted here, and Google is your friends, if you are that interested.
Or is it that you are ignorantly trying to deny they exist?

Yes I am.

So go ahead and cite those videos.

——

Oh wait, I can cite when you tried peddling that claim before, when you claimed you saw a broadcast video that showed police holding open doors and inviting them into the building.

That was a lie.

Here you go, here’s the link:

Post in thread 'Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from 2024 ballot, pauses ruling to allow appeal'

Dec 31, 2023

Really? You sure easily swallowed whole this whopper of a lie.

I saw the broadcast video where capitol police opened capital door and invited people in on Jan 1/6. Yes.

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[eohrnberger]

I'm sure that in the subjective opinion of a number of people, Hitler wasn't an authoritarian. But the consensus agrees that he was.

Still going off on the Hitler comparison. Has the election loss not taught you anything?

trump committed the crimes (he was found guilty on all counts). Have you forgotten the circumstances that made them felonies?

Under New York Penal Law Section 175.10, the charge becomes a felony if the false business record is made with the intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission of another crime. This elevates the crime to a Class E felony, which, while the lowest level of felony, is still significantly more serious than a misdemeanor.

He did this to conceal payments that were connected to his election. trump's scumbagginess goes many levels deep, and here you are defending him. Who's the partisan here?

Is it not also true that it was Cohen who routed the payment that way?

Some things are subjective. There is no hard-and-fast definition that makes one an authoritarian. That's why we compare and contrast with people who are considered, by subjective consensus, authoritarians. Maybe you would like to make the case that Putin and Orban are not authoritarians in your defense of trump.

Can you provide citations that, for instance, dispute that trump did not comply with SC orders for two months? I know you hate the media, but that doesn't mean they always get the facts wrong.

How long was it that Biden didn't comply with the SCOTUS Student Debt Transfer decision? And, in fact, created yet another of his admin's famous 'work arounds' to get around it?

These protesters certainly heeded the call to battle. There were a lot more than Proud Boys and Oath Keepers beating up the cops and breaking into the Capitol.

But having those weapons in your trunk dovetailed perfectly with the other evidence of their planned attack.

Which 'planned attack' which never happened was that one? Were you in their inner circle to know?

FFS, how far out of the baseline are you willing to go to defend these assholes?

Not defending them, you just want to believe that pointing out a truthful part of the law is defending them.

You are defending them at every turn.

Yet another accusation without substance.

First, that's how the courts work. We don't start at the Supreme Court. Second, they aren't "thwarting what the electorate voted for," they are determining what actions are constitutional and what actions are not. The fact that "the electorate" voted for a guy who seeks to defy the Constitution in as many ways as he can think of is merely a sorry indication of where the trumpie electorate is at.

I'm skeptical of all the left's usually false claims that he has 'defy the Constitution'.
Anything the left agrees with is suddenly a human right, and anything they disagree with needs to be prosecuted, whether the law or enumerated right to do so exists or not.

He didn't "just do it anyway," he narrowed the scope of his plan to comply with court orders. Like a rational president should do.

Yes, yes. Conjure up a 'work around' to skirt the letter of the law. My, how proud you must feel about that. Hell, Biden was proud of that, considering the number of times he used 'work around' in that context.

MSN

It's just a fence. Grow up.

 

[eohrnberger]

So the Capitol gets overrun during the electoral count, and you don't want an investigation?

Investigations were conducted, by the FBI.
What you think was an 'investigation' was nothing more than a staged politics driven show 'trial' to arrive at the already per-ordaned and demanded conclusion.

 

[Athanasius68]

So why didn't trump deploy the National Guard on Jan. 6th?

He should have.
I guess he has learned.

 

[Nickyjo]

I saw it on TV! I also sat for hours wondering when Trump was gonna do something about it. I sat. And sat. And sat. And watched more cops assaulted on TV. I’ve also watched hours of the current demonstrations on live streams. I did see a cop hit with a water bottle. Not to say violence didn’t happen but it’s very different than what I saw on Jan 6th.

And strangely, Trump didn’t call out the National Guard, send the Marines, etc. onnJan 6.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Still going off on the Hitler comparison. Has the election loss not taught you anything?

You guys are building a lot of your arguments on trump's win, instead of directly addressing the issues. What does it prove? That 80 million voters were idiots? Every election has a lot of voters on the losing end, it doesn't mean they made a bad choice, nor does winning mean you made a good choice.

The Hitler comparison is there because he is a pretty undeniable example of an authoritarian. You squeal at the comparison, but won't debate the reasons they are compared.

Is it not also true that it was Cohen who routed the payment that way?

Yeah, at trump's direction. So what?

How long was it that Biden didn't comply with the SCOTUS Student Debt Transfer decision? And, in fact, created yet another of his admin's famous 'work arounds' to get around it?

Not nearly two months. And work-arounds are perfectly legal.

Which 'planned attack' which never happened was that one? Were you in their inner circle to know?

Planning of the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm skeptical of all the left's usually false claims that he has 'defy the Constitution'.

You are "skeptical" to the point of absurdity. No evidence is ever enough for you. You eat up the right-wing narrative with the best of them.

 

[eohrnberger]

There were records of a ten minute call between Jordan and trump on the morning of Jan. 6th, yet he couldn't seem to remember what that call was about. Do you seriously believe that he would forget a call with the POTUS so soon? Taking ridiculous positions isn't helping your case.

It was a bipartisan commission.

LOL. In name only. My, you really are gullible when it comes to Dems, Libs, and Progs telling you things.

McCarthy had his chance to place non-suspects on that commission, but he took his ball and went home.

None of this means that the evidence wasn't real.

The one sided evidence which was shown, but that's the problem, one sided.
Why was exculpatory evidence excluded from presentation?
Why was obvious hearsay evidence included and given credibility?

There is nothing any Republican could have added that would have changed the mountain of evidence against the attackers.

Again, that which was chosen to be presented, all one sided. (See above comment)

Their refusal to participate was by far the most partisan thing about it. They refused to be on the Commission, and most refused to testify.

Which should tell you that it wasn't any sort of investigation or search for the truth, or to determine how to prevent a recurrence in the future.
That Commission was totally and wholly an exercise in political theater.

The evidence was overwhelming, and obviously harmful to the Republican brand, because their fingerprints were all over it.

Again, that which was chosen to be presented, all one sided. (See above comment)

The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad. Refusing to participate and calling it a politically motivated hit job was just an effort to minimize the political damage. And some idiots actually believed this line of BS!

"The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad." True, especially after the riot broke out. There's no denying that.
That can look bad, true, and also the House Select Commission was a 'politically motivated hit job'. Two things can be true at the same time.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Investigations were conducted, by the FBI.
What you think was an 'investigation' was nothing more than a staged politics driven show 'trial' to arrive at the already per-ordaned and demanded conclusion.

They had tons of evidence that led them to their conclusions. All you have is highly partisan "skepticism". This wasn't a difficult call. trump was on his way to being convicted in court before he ran out the clock.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nice try.

Doesn’t change your clear projection, distortions and cherry picking, nor does it change you hilariously tried peddling a long ago outdated article, while hilariously trying to claim you believe the FBI.

Yes, your posts amount to yawns.

LOL. And yet you keep injecting in a conversation which didn't involve you. Hmm. Most be something more to you than just yawns, eh?

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

The one sided evidence which was shown, but that's the problem, one sided.
Why was exculpatory evidence excluded from presentation?

WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE? You couldn't invent evidence that would overcome the mountain of incriminating evidence.

Why was obvious hearsay evidence included and given credibility?

What hearsay? (Again, this wasn't a court of law, but I think I know where you are going here, and you are wrong.)

 

[NOLA Dude]

Wow. I wouldn't surprised if the CIA was involved

 

[Emlee]

LOL. And yet you keep injecting in a conversation which didn't involve you. Hmm. Most be something more to you than just yawns, eh?

That makes zero sense.

 

[Nickyjo]

LOL. In name only. My, you really are gullible when it comes to Dems, Libs, and Progs telling you things.




The one sided evidence which was shown, but that's the problem, one sided.
Why was exculpatory evidence excluded from presentation?
Why was obvious hearsay evidence included and given credibility?


Again, that which was chosen to be presented, all one sided. (See above comment)


Which should tell you that it wasn't any sort of investigation or search for the truth, or to determine how to prevent a recurrence in the future.
That Commission was totally and wholly an exercise in political theater.


Again, that which was chosen to be presented, all one sided. (See above comment)


"The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad." True, especially after the riot broke out. There's no denying that.
That can look bad, true, and also the House Select Commission was a 'politically motivated hit job'. Two things can be true at the same time.

How quickly we forget. Pelosi suggested an independent commission with equal numbers from each party, but that was ended by a GOP “politically motivated hit job.” So she then named the committee, with five of its members named in consultation with the republicans. There followed another “politically motivated hit job” on very conservative Liz Cheney for her work on the committee.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

You think we should deport 10% of LA?

If they are illegally here, of course.