ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[Athanasius68]

I saw it on TV! I also sat for hours wondering when Trump was gonna do something about it. I sat. And sat. And sat. And watched more cops assaulted on TV. I’ve also watched hours of the current demonstrations on live streams. I did see a cop hit with a water bottle. Not to say violence didn’t happen but it’s very different than what I saw on Jan 6th.

Shrug. What difference does it make?
The rioters are using force to oppose the immigration law of the USA-- ie using force to oppose "any law" as per the seditious conspiracy statute and actual prosecutions of a couple years ago.
Nobody is above the law.

 

[eohrnberger]

None of that was hidden or suppressed. I saw those videos right alongside of the others.

They weren't featured because they weren't relevant.

Congrats. You've found yet another way to say 'ignored'.

Like I said, that's like showing video of a bank before it was robbed as a weak counterpoint to the video of the bank being robbed.

Everyone who entered the Capitol building did so illegally. Some pushed and beat the sh!t out of the cops to get in, some smashed windows and climbed through, and some just followed through the smashed windows and opened doors.

There is no assertion on my part to anything different.

"Caught up in the moment" is no excuse.

Some were, and the were found, investigated, and charged, as is the process. I'm making no excuses.
What I'm doing is illustrating that distinction.

And your "small fraction" included at least 1600 who were charged, and a bunch of others who were not. That's a large mob storming the Capitol, plenty large enough to overwhelm the cops.

There were some 30,000 people at the Eclipse (est), and some 80,000 at the Capitol protest / demonstration (est).
1,6000 is a fraction of either of those, being nearly 2 orders of magnitude smaller.

If you support trump, you are implicitly supporting what he does and what he stands for.

More specifically, I support the governance which he brings, not the person. I really don't like the loud mouthed, bombastic person.

There is a reason why the Proud Boys and white supremacists are in trump's corner - because he is in theirs.

Attempted guilt by association and guilt innuendo discarded.

He friggin' pardoned them, for crissakes.

I've posted how I would have done that differently.

That's your team there. You can say you don't like trump and never voted for him, but you are defending all of it.

Most got light sentences.

What would you have done about the Proud Boys that started the attack?

There's little sense in answering a hypothetical, even if it were up to me, which it wasn't.

They were found guilty of sedition; how light a sentence would you have given them, considering they were guilty of that?

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Where do they go?

Last 5 mass shootings I can think of were done by "Trans activists."

Even with the redefinition fallacy that collapses the lie Ikari was telling, you still fail.

U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year

Despite the nation’s focus on Islamic terrorism since 9/11, homegrown, right-wing extremists have also killed dozens of Americans. Peter Bergen, the director of the National Security Studies program for New America, joins Hari Sreenivasan to discuss the toll of homegrown terrorism in light of...

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UT professor to Oak Ridge League: Most recent terrorist attacks in U.S. made by right-wing groups

Most terrorist attacks in the U.S. in the last seven years have been made by right-wing groups, a professor told the Oak Ridge League of Women Voters.

www.oakridger.com

 

[Emlee]

A lot was already known before the committee was even formed. One of those things was that Jordan was in communication with the White House and had memory problems concerning those communications. They had good reason to believe that Jordan would have obstructed the investigation from within.

There were plenty of other Republican congressmen McCarthy could have put on the committee that were not under suspicion. Why insist on Jordan?

The fact is that there were Republicans on the committee, and they investigated the events as they were obliged to do. And in doing so, they acted against their own political interests. In court, testimony against your own interests is a good indicator of truthful testimony.



First, you took the word of four FBI sources, not the whole FBI. Second, that's a stale source from 2021, before the whole investigation had unfolded. People were tried for sedition, and convicted. Points for having a source, anyway.

Exactly 100%

All the ‘one sided’ nonsense from cult45/47 is just that, nonsense, distortions, cherry picking.

The reality is Cheney had already been appointed.

McCarthy submitted five additional names.

Pelosi approved three of them, Rodney Davis, Kelly Armstrong and Troy Nehls and asked for the two others be replaced. Rightfully so, Jordan was later subpoenaed to testify which he ignored.

Clearly none of the ones Pelosi approved would even remotely be considered ‘on her side’, or even fans of democrats, most certainly not rabid Trumphumper Troy Nehls.

It was McCarthy who threw a hissy fit and pulled all five. He thought if he pulled them all it would shut it all down.

Kinzinger was added after.

And more reality, the bottom line is the only reason the committee was even formed was because republicans had blocked the bipartisan commission, which would have even given them subpoena power, dear leader didn’t want it. They thought blocking it would put an end to any and all investigations.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The discussion has been about Los Angeles, and the events currently happening here. Seattle has nothing to do with the NG and Marines on our streets.

I understand your fear of facts - the position of the radical left cannot survive an examination of facts.

Anyone can carry a flag — that’s no sure fire way of establishing identity. I’ve personally carried an Italian peace flag at anti war demonstrations and I am a US citizen.

Unless you're in Mexico - where carrying an American flag will land you in jail.

You are aware that California was originally colonized by Mexico, and that there are millions of Mexican American citizens in Southern California. There’s been a strong presence here for generations.

No, I'm sure not.

California was colonized by SPAIN, not Mexico - until this recent colonization. When Spain was conquered by FRANCE, California became an independent republic, Mexico soon followed. Pio Pico, the last SPANISH governor, wanted to join Mexico, but John Freemont and others didn't agree.

Did you miss 4th grade history? We made spanish missions from sugar cubes.

Latino is the general term used in the region. Nothing unusual about that.

Latino is a term used by the American left who seek to create a race based on a language.

The CA GOP created the strong ties between Latinos and the Democratic Party. If one person could be held responsible it would be Pete Wilson, and his linking his political campaign with the ballot initiative to deny public services to undocumented immigrants. The demonization of Latinos was in overdrive, Spanish speakers automatically reviled regardless of immigration status, citizens included.

The ballot initiative that overwhelmingly won? But democrats hate democracy, and overruled the vote of the people of California in order to continue the colonization.

The strong voting patterns in favor of Democrats suggests that Latinos support immigration reform instead of draconian punishment.

LOL

California is notorious for rigged elections - think the utterly absurd Newsom recall - where again the vote of the people what shit all over. Regardless, the ideal of a Hispanic voting block is dissolving, even in California.

You haven’t been keeping up on the multi million settlements paid each year for police misconduct. Obviously additional reforms were needed by the subsequent policies of dash and body cams, and then the mandate that they be turned on, and not merely present.

Yawn

So you maintain that the LAPD is corrupt?

Also that water is wet.

PBS is communist?

Yep - and will no longer be funded by taxpayers. And no, taxpayer funding is not a 1st amendment right.

I think rational discussion has left the room, and doubt the value of continuing and discussion.

You support insurrection and colonization of the United States. That is the reality.

I've said before, there is no reconciliation possible between democrats and Americans. One will win, one will lose. With 19% approval, it doesn't look like the democrats are winning.

So those Pulitzer Prizes awarded the LAT are fake?

Not fake, just meaningless. But what the LAT publishes is fake - utter nonsense.

 

[Michael Cole]

It's because illegal immigrants are fundamentally good people, and it's totally ****ed up when racist asshole Trump supporters treat them like animals.

If one is "prioritizing" people, they just might be racist.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Shrug. What difference does it make?
The rioters are using force to oppose the immigration law of the USA-- ie using force to oppose "any law" as per the seditious conspiracy statute and actual prosecutions of a couple years ago.
Nobody is above the law.

I been working on my stretching. You're years ahead of me. Also Trump is above the law. Your statement is unequivocally false.

 

[Athanasius68]

I been working on my stretching. You're years ahead of me. Also Trump is above the law. Your statement is unequivocally false.

Its pretty much a slam dunk-- assuming of course the DOJ can find some rioters who planned to throw rocks etc.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

The Jan 6th Commission was a show trial controlled by the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi handpicked two RINOs to be on it (both of who where subsequently rejected by their constituents). It was a 100% kangaroo court that hid evidence that went against the Democrat party narrative

Cheney and Kinsinger were not RINOS; they just weren't MAGATS.

And what evidence was hidden? I keep waiting for all of this exculpatory evidence you guys say will change everything, but I can't imagine what would exonerate a mob that had weapons and stormed the Capitol building in order to short circuit the electoral count.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Its pretty much a slam dunk-- assuming of course the DOJ can find some rioters who planned to throw rocks etc.

I have no problems with those people catching charges. I also fully support the right of LA to protest federal overreach. That used to be something Republican's actually cared about.

 

[Uncensored2008]

U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year

Despite the nation’s focus on Islamic terrorism since 9/11, homegrown, right-wing extremists have also killed dozens of Americans. Peter Bergen, the director of the National Security Studies program for New America, joins Hari Sreenivasan to discuss the toll of homegrown terrorism in light of...

www.pbs.org

UT professor to Oak Ridge League: Most recent terrorist attacks in U.S. made by right-wing groups

Most terrorist attacks in the U.S. in the last seven years have been made by right-wing groups, a professor told the Oak Ridge League of Women Voters.

www.oakridger.com

{Yes. I mean, this is usually the purview of jihadi terrorist tacks. We've seen two in London in recent months that killed 13 people. We saw the attack in Nice killed 84 people. We saw the attack in Berlin that killed 12 people, all of those were jihadi terror attacks}

So we aren't talking about America - this is ALL complete bullshit and propaganda.

You know, people would probably not view democrats as scumbags who lie about everything if they would just stop effing lying about everything.

Last Friday, 4 out of 5 Americans agreed that democrats suck - this Friday it will be 9 out of 10.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Cheney and Kinsinger were not RINOS; they just weren't MAGATS.

Nope they are RINOs. Read their posts since being kicked out of office by their constituents. Cheney just hates Trump because her dad didn’t become President.

Kinzinger in particular has exposed his RINO bonafides with his distaste for the 2A and his defense of gun control. Of course, that is when he is not shooting AR-15s at an unsafe homemade range with Democrats and injuring a reporter.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article294439354.html

And what evidence was hidden? I keep waiting for all of this exculpatory evidence you guys say will change everything, but I can't imagine what would exonerate a mob that had weapons

Five people were arrested on weapons charges. Five out of 1500. Where all these weapons you think there.

and stormed the Capitol building in order to short circuit the electoral count.

 

[Emlee]

Why was the video which showed some calmly and respectfully walking around in the Capitol like tourists hidden / suppressed for so long?
Why was the video which showed Capitol Hill police opening the doors for some to enter hidden / suppressed for so long?

Cite the videos of police opening the doors so some could enter.

The point being is, yes, there was rioting and those who rioted were rioters, caught up in the moment, and they should be charged for rioting.
What is also true is that of all the people who attended that legal, legitimate and fully permitted political protest / demonstration, only a small fraction rioted.

Yet it is the left which constantly paints all of them, and all who support Trump, as bad as the Proud Boys and White Supremacist groups and Nazis. You do realize that it was this which cost you that election, more so than anything else, right? Its time to stop, for the sake of your own political party's survival.

Besides, I wouldn't seek to exonerate the Jan 6th rioters.
But I wouldn't have gone and overcharged them either, such as the Biden DOJ AGINO (Attorney General In Name Only) Garland and his DOJ clearly did.
(continue)

 

[Athanasius68]

I have no problems with those people catching charges. I also fully support the right of LA to protest federal overreach. That used to be something Republican's actually cared about.

Deploying troops to protect federal property is a responsibility of the federal government.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Cite the videos of police opening the doors so some could enter.

30 sec with Google.

 

[AZRWinger]

Since ICE's purpose is to protect us from foreign threats, they shouldnt be running around rooting out and deporting people who are clearly no threat at all.

ICE rounding up illegals with outstanding deportation orders is enforcing the rule of law.

 

[j brown's body]

ICE rounding up illegals with outstanding deportation orders is enforcing the rule of law.

“It has been incredibly painful to witness the arrest of my father and of his co-workers,” said Saraí Ortiz, who said her father, José Ortiz, was among those arrested.

“My father gave 18 years of his life to this company,” she said at a news conference outside the site of the raid Friday. “He was always here. He was a loyal worker.”
A young man who identified himself as Carlos said he considers his brother, José, to have been “kidnapped,” because his brother was taken by force in the Ambiance raid and is being held without being able to contact relatives or lawyers, which he said is the definition of kidnapping.

“The only crime he committed was trying to live a better life and trying to get ahead and work. Because of that dream, I had to witness him being chained up like he was some dangerous animal. The whole process wasn’t just inhumane; it was illegal,” Carlos said.
Link

This is not only insane, it's insanely cruel, and it is protecting no one from foreign threats.

 

[bomberfox]

Majority voted for this. You have to comply. That is democracy. Modern politics have degraded in to disliking that your preferences have not been met, well grow a pair, it has always been the case you just started complaining more about it with social media and the internet.

Not everything is a matter of liking or disliking. That you boil everything down to that is disappointing.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Deploying troops to protect federal property is a responsibility of the federal government.

Local businesses are federal property now? They are stationed out of federal buildings sleeping on the floor but they are deploying to protect ice in their harassment of LA businesses in the coming days.

 

[Athanasius68]

Local businesses are federal property now? They are stationed out of federal buildings sleeping on the floor but they are deploying to protect ice in their harassment of LA businesses in the coming days.

Yes-- they are protecting federal law enforcement from those who seek to use force to prevent federal law from being enforced.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Some calling another "authoritarian" is their subjective opinion.

I'm sure that in the subjective opinion of a number of people, Hitler wasn't an authoritarian. But the consensus agrees that he was.

Except NY State courts, apparently.
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These things should tell you something, right there. But that it doesn't leads one to conclude that your partisan blinders are on and firmly in place.

trump committed the crimes (he was found guilty on all counts). Have you forgotten the circumstances that made them felonies?

Under New York Penal Law Section 175.10, the charge becomes a felony if the false business record is made with the intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission of another crime. This elevates the crime to a Class E felony, which, while the lowest level of felony, is still significantly more serious than a misdemeanor.

He did this to conceal payments that were connected to his election. trump's scumbagginess goes many levels deep, and here you are defending him. Who's the partisan here?

A subjective look at what previous presidents have done and comparing them to a subjective look at what this president has done.
At least you appear admit that this is all subjective.

Some things are subjective. There is no hard-and-fast definition that makes one an authoritarian. That's why we compare and contrast with people who are considered, by subjective consensus, authoritarians. Maybe you would like to make the case that Putin and Orban are not authoritarians in your defense of trump.

These supposed 'checks' you are listed are all based on what? The Dem's compliant and complicit MSM propagandist reporting and their smear campaigns?
The pro-Dem, pro-left political activism and political bias of the MSM already well established. I can provide citations to this effect if you dispute this.

Can you provide citations that, for instance, dispute that trump did not comply with SC orders for two months? I know you hate the media, but that doesn't mean they always get the facts wrong.

Not at all a reasonable analogy. Do protestors follow orders as soldiers are expected to?

These protesters certainly heeded the call to battle. There were a lot more than Proud Boys and Oath Keepers beating up the cops and breaking into the Capitol.

Having your weapons in the trunk of your car is legal, and is not the same as pulling them out and using them.

But having those weapons in your trunk dovetailed perfectly with the other evidence of their planned attack. FFS, how far out of the baseline are you willing to go to defend these assholes?

I have made no excuses for that behavior. Those that trespassed, vandalized, should be charged with trespassing and vandalism, and they were.

You are defending them at every turn.

Not so much SCOTUS, but the lower federal courts a constant thwarting of what the electorate voted for.

First, that's how the courts work. We don't start at the Supreme Court. Second, they aren't "thwarting what the electorate voted for," they are determining what actions are constitutional and what actions are not. The fact that "the electorate" voted for a guy who seeks to defy the Constitution in as many ways as he can think of is merely a sorry indication of where the trumpie electorate is at.

Biden had his fair share of court battles as well, you may have forgotten them, but they did happen, most notably the Student Debt Transfer program of his, multiple court cases, culminating in the Biden admin just doing it anyway.

He didn't "just do it anyway," he narrowed the scope of his plan to comply with court orders. Like a rational president should do.

MSN

It was an over reaction to a one and done riot. Recall that there were a number of attacks on the Capitol over history, most often from leftist groups. Google is your friend, you can look them up.

It's just a fence. Grow up.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Yes-- they are protecting federal law enforcement from those who seek to use force to prevent federal law from being enforced.

States rights! What a debacle. How much are we paying to arrest non violent people just doing their jobs? Why can't we go after employers? Yeah you know why.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

It was a Democrats carefully staged political spectacle specifically for political purposes and nothing more.

So the Capitol gets overrun during the electoral count, and you don't want an investigation?

 

[j brown's body]

Yes-- they are protecting federal law enforcement from those who seek to use force to prevent federal law from being enforced.

"We should be men first, and subjects afterward." - H.D. Thoreau

My plea to MAGA is don't forget being men and the humanity that requires, ahead of our subjugation to law.

 

[Athanasius68]

States rights! What a debacle. How much are we paying to arrest non violent people just doing their jobs? Why can't we go after employers? Yeah you know why.

There could be an argument that states have a lot of responsibility and authority over immigration issues within their respective states.
Progressives, of course, are in no position to make it though.