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ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

ClaraD said:
You have been around long enough to know snd the most recent was when the Supreme Court said Abrego Garcia’s Constitutional rights were violated
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What Rights? What case and decision? Be specific.... thank you.



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ClaraD said:
They fought and died so we could have our Constitution that allows free speech and waving a flag is 100% exercising free speech
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Oh, same here. Sons of the American Revolution and all that. Came over on the Mayflower, even. Freedom of Speech is a cornerstone.


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ClaraD said:
Nor are the fake ICE agents covering their faces and refusing to provide badge information. Or the officer intentionally shooting a reporter with a rubber bullet.
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It's not a tit-for-tat, thing.

Right now - the immigrants need to win the hearts & minds of the American People. Otherwise, the situation is only going to get worse.
 
Chomsky said:
It's not a tit-for-tat, thing.

Right now - the immigrants need to win the hearts & minds of the American People. Otherwise, the situation is only going to get worse.
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What they are angry about isn’t even about deporting people after due process…ICE and other federal authorities dressed up like they are in Afghanistan and driving tanks through streets of LA and carrying high powered rifles is what the problem is not to mention them covering their faces and REFUSING to identify and then violating basic constitutional rights that’s the ****ing problem here.
 
ClaraD said:
What they are angry about isn’t even about deporting people after due process…ICE and other federal authorities dressed up like they are in Afghanistan and driving tanks through streets of LA and carrying high powered rifles is what the problem is not to mention them covering their faces and REFUSING to identify and then violating basic constitutional rights that’s the ****ing problem here.
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I get it. No Judicial Warrants, either. Then, no Due Process to follow.
 
ClaraD said:
What they are angry about isn’t even about deporting people after due process…
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So completely, utterly, and blatantly ****ing false that nothing else you can say should be given even the slightest credibility.

ClaraD said:
ICE and other federal authorities dressed up like they are in Afghanistan and driving tanks through streets of LA and carrying high powered rifles is what the problem is
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They probably wouldn't have to do that if people weren't pelting them with rocks and setting shit on fire. YA THINK?

ClaraD said:
not to mention them covering their faces and REFUSING to identify
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Identify to whom? You? Random people they aren't apprehending?
 
Chomsky said:
Thank you for this.

I did find one item that us Liberals strongly believe in, that MAGA just don't get.

It seems MAGA is out-of-touch on this issue by 2:1.

Here:

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You're welcome. A common response. by court hearing SCOTUS means timely council and a habeas. Somebody posted Garcia has
17 "court appearences"
If true it shows courts are very slow so getting rid of known bad guys is also very slow
 
Chomsky said:
Those freedoms are fine. But in today's events in L.A., it is very bad optics.

These posters are not doing themselves any favors in winning support with their Mexican Flags.
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The majority (usually white male, Christian, cis-gender, hetero-normative) loves to tell the minority (everybody else) how they should protest. If only they had had enough American flags -- black people and women would have gotten to vote a lot sooner.
 
venice_ca said:
How about letting the residents of Los Angeles decide for themselves how to run their city.

In 2024 Trump received c 30% of the vote in Los Angeles County. He campaigned on deportations, and the voters here rejected that.

ICE storm trooper like tactics aren’t welcomed here.
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Los Angeles is being occupied by foreign invaders.
 
Chomsky said:
Well you kinda' got me over a barrel, here. Because I do not advocate for violence, and am dead against it.

The problem is Trump knows Liberals are against violence. He can walk all over us, without recourse.

But honestly, I don't see how peaceful protest will stop Trump. He uses force, and walks all over "peace". We see he doesn't even listen to the courts, because he has "force" and they don't. I think Ditto for peaceful protest. He don't care.

So I must ask? What protest do you envision, how do you see it affecting Trump?
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We're nowhere near to stopping Trump. That moment passed last November. So, now it has to begin with physical courage and a refusal to submit. The habits of deference and obedience need to be broken. Liberals do in fact need to unlearn their unfounded Clintonian certainty that legitimacy is the only path to prosperity.

There's no one way to do it, and no one scale by which to measure effect. Malicious compliance. General strike. Traffic disruption.
Protest. Noncompliance. It depends on the specific adversary, and the outcome desired.

We're in for a long haul, and we decided on doing all this the hard way.
 
Chomsky said:
Those freedoms are fine. But in today's events in L.A., it is very bad optics.

These posters are not doing themselves any favors in winning support with their Mexican Flags.
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A few minutes ago, while watching a CNN "Breaking News" interview with a University of Essex government professor, the host asked her what the backlash arising from images of burning cars in the same frame as Mexican flags might be. Her response was a kind of meek acknowledgment that the optics are not helpful.
 
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vesper said:
I viewed a video showing people wrapped in Mexican flags pouring something on dry grass in the Palisades and starting fires as if these people haven't already been through enough.

My conclusion is this shit only happens in blue states or communities. These people cannot have nice things because they continue to tear everything down.
You are looking at the city that is supposed to host the 2028 Summer Olympics.
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Neoconfederates are too busy raping their sisters and blaming the trans for it to protest incipient fascism?
 
Tender Branson said:
They did.

In just 4 years time.

And housed them in ****-star hotels for free, all paid by the taxpayer. While the American veteran slept on the street nearby (who actually served the country, while the 10 million illegals' most valuable contribution to the US was only to set foot into the country).
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1. You have never seen a crew of Central American roofers at work.

2. You do not understand that the DoD loves* its enlisted men right up until they injure out. And that the anti-tax crusaders love* them the most, but they just don't want to pay for anything.

3. Austrians should always be shutting the **** up when it comes to anything but schnitzel and how to keep the escape routes to Italy open, no?





* - does East Reich German even allow for the sardonic?
 
Tender Branson said:
The people opposing my common-sense views are probably part of a much larger problem: they are part of a system or group of people who secretly hate actual Americans and who want to slowly replace actual Americans by means of illegal immigrants. This is also happening here in Europe. They are building a system which is highly corrupt and where illegals hide and infest major cities, to the point you cannot get rid of these people anymore.
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This isn't altogether inaccurate (especially not the corruption - we sure have a way of designing a government!), but it is important to come to grips with what 'replacement' is and why it keeps happening.

If you look back to Shakespeare's time, he wrote a play about a Moor in Britain. If you look at archaeology from 2000 years ago, there was a significant black population in Britain. So it seems like emigration from Africa to Britain has been going on a long time.

How long? Well, Homo sapiens came out of Africa. Homo erectus came out of Africa. Humans have always been coming from Africa to the rest of the world, for as long as they've existed anywhere else but Africa.

Why is this? Because humans evolved in Africa. Most of the species' genetic diversity is in Africa. Every time the environment changes, such as a new disease, it's time to dive back into the gene pool and pull some uncommon allele out of the archives ... in Africa. And transmit it to the rest of the world.

Additionally, the non-African environments, colonized more recently, have a lower degree of competition for resources. To some degree, the longer lifespans and lower degree of violent conflict may be simply demographic in nature. It is the perception of wide open frontiers that calls to people, in part. But good conditions seem to lower reproductive rates, making it even easier for others to migrate to a country.

Note, incidentally, that with all this migration, starting with no whites, people in northern Europe are nonetheless consistently white. That was natural selection, and continued migration would never alter that. However, white skin is now going to go away, not because of migration, but because of the discovery of vitamin D. People of any color can manage their nutrition and avoid rickets, while also avoiding sunburn and skin cancer. The destruction of the ozone layer has supercharged this process - with most Australians getting skin cancer, evolution will relentlessly darken the color of that island.

For this or any other issue, a constant stream of genetic flow from Africa to the rest of the world is the natural and healthy situation for humanity.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Everything you just said was tied to your assumptions about race and motivations.
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Everything I wrote exposed the blatantly racist double-standard you seem to embrace.

As the saying goes, if the shoe fits...
 
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