ICE detains green card-holder returning from visit to son in US Air Force

[Deuce]

Never said that, but I’m sure that’s what the voices in your head told you I said.

It's what conservatives believe now, in practice. Anything the Trump administration tells them, they immediately accept. They're no longer demanding the government prove anything it says, no longer being skeptical. The government spends a couple months smearing a deported guy as a terrorist and never shows anyone the slightest bit of evidence.

Y'all just... trust the government. "ICE aren't committing crimes" means you're just not paying attention.

 

[Moon]

It's what conservatives believe now, in practice. Anything the Trump administration tells them, they immediately accept. They're no longer demanding the government prove anything it says, no longer being skeptical. The government spends a couple months smearing a deported guy as a terrorist and never shows anyone the slightest bit of evidence.

Y'all just... trust the government. "ICE aren't committing crimes" means you're just not paying attention.

I’d ask you to detail the crimes being committed by ICE, but I doubt you’d provide anything concrete. Plenty of feelings, of course.

And just so you know, your fantasy of what conservatives believe is just more of the voices in your head telling you things. Of all the people I’d trust to be any kind of authority on that topic, you’d be near the bottom.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The histrionics here are getting out of hand.

There are no histrionics here.

First, Avila was detained, not arrested or deported. The reason for his detention wasn't stated in the article and jumping to the conclusion that it was ICE related is a HUGE overstep.

He has a green card. He isn't illegal. He is LEGALLY allowed in the country.

Second. if you're an LPR your status can be revoked if you violate immigration law or certain other laws. a "Green Card" isn't a "get out of jail free" card.

There is no evidence he broke a law. The ICE gestapo is infamous for serving a racist.

Third, the article notes that Avila has been on LPR status since 1967. The purpose of LPR status is that it's a bridge to naturalization. Avila appears to have no interest in naturalization because he's had the better part of 60 years to get that done.

That is YOUR opinion.

 

[Deuce]

I’d ask you to detail the crimes being committed by ICE, but I doubt you’d provide anything concrete. Plenty of feelings, of course.

And just so you know, your fantasy of what conservatives believe is just more of the voices in your head telling you things. Of all the people I’d trust to be any kind of authority on that topic, you’d be near the bottom.

Abducting people off the street in unmarked vans while not being identified as ICE agents, without valid warrants or probable cause. (this person is brown and has a foreign accent is not probable cause)

They even take people when they've already been presented legal ID.

 

[Moon]

Abducting people off the street in unmarked vans while not being identified as ICE agents, without valid warrants or probable cause. (this person is brown and has a foreign accent is not probable cause)

They even take people when they've already been presented legal ID.

How many of these criminal ICE agents have been arrested and tried?

 

[Deuce]

How many of these criminal ICE agents have been arrested and tried?

Not going to discuss the idea of innocent until proven guilty with the party that is explicitly saying that accused illegal immigrants don't get due process of law.

 

[Diving Mullah]

You are flat out wrong. This is similar to a conversation I had with my brother. A registered democrat who has run numerous democrat candidates campaign. His comment, "most people regardless of which side don't bother to find out the facts before they claim something."
You just did that. Everything I posted is fact.
A green card doesn't mean you cannot be deported.

Can I Get Deported if I have a Green Card? | Berardi Immigration Law

Many people are unsure if they can be deported if they have a green card. The short answer is yes, green card holders can be deported.

berardiimmigrationlaw.com

What is the legal process for deporting U.S. green card and visa holders?

Immigration experts said people with visas and green cards have been deported under other administrations, but some of the Trump administration’s actions have been unprecedented.

www.pbs.org

That’s like saying, “Hey, that guy was shot by police,” and your justification is, “Well, technically any American citizen can be executed.” You’re skipping over a whole lot of legal steps there.


Yes, a green card holder can have their lawful permanent resident (LPR) status revoked—but it’s not something that happens arbitrarily. There’s an extensive legal process involved. An ICE agent cannot simply grab a legal permanent resident and deport them on the spot.


In fact, ICE does not have unilateral authority to arrest or deport a lawful permanent resident without due process. Detention and removal typically require a notice to appear before an immigration judge, and deportation can only occur after a court order is issued—often based on specific grounds such as certain criminal convictions or immigration violations. And even then, not all crimes are deportable offenses under U.S. immigration law.


Please take the time to read and understand the actual law, not an oversimplified or cherry-picked version from a blog or partisan site.

See legal code INA § 237 or DHS/ICE policies.

Diving Mullah

 

[Moon]

Not going to discuss the idea of innocent until proven guilty with the party that is explicitly saying that accused illegal immigrants don't get due process of law.

So I take it the answer is “none”. So much for ICE agents breaking the law.

 

[Deuce]

So I take it the answer is “none”. So much for ICE agents breaking the law.

Mr. Garcia appears to have committed no violations of the law.

 

[CaughtInThe]

First 100,000 is a small number considering the millions of illegals living here. Remember Obama deported 3 million. The law is the law and many people are here after coming illegally, overstaying their visa, or losing their green card for some reason.
A green card is proof of legal resident status, it's not a guarantee against deportation. Various actions or situations, such as criminal convictions, immigration violations, or even extended time outside the U.S., can lead to deportation. A green card doesn't make you a citizen.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

ICE detains green card-holder returning from visit to son in US Air Force​

Avila's detention comes amid an immigration crackdown under the Trump administration. In addition to people residing in the country illegally, immigrants with valid documentation—including green cards and visas—have been detained and face legal jeopardy.

President Donald Trump has pledged to carry out the largest mass deportation operation in U.S. history, and in the initial months of his second term, his administration has deported more than 100,000 people. Many migrants have been deported as a result of Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which grants the president authority to deport noncitizens without appearing before a judge, among other wartime authorities.

Yup, the gestapo just arrested a man who had green card. This is illegal and it needs to cost the ICE gestapo their jobs and freedom.

These Nazis need to be unmasked. They need to be held accountable for repeatedly violating the law.

MSN

I do not want to hear ONE MORE WORD about how immigrants must come here LEGALLY.

 

[Hamish Howl]

A green card is proof of legal resident status, it's not a guarantee against deportation.

unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

Various actions or situations, such as criminal convictions, immigration violations, or even extended time outside the U.S., can lead to deportation.

Which of those things did this guy do?

So yeah, calling bullshit. This is quota driven bullshit, and further proof that ICE needs to be abolished and the task handed over to people that aren't corrupt and lazy.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I do not want to hear ONE MORE WORD about how immigrants must come here LEGALLY.

It's never been about legality. You know this and I know this.

It's about Stephen Miller being a ****ing Nazi.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Actually, I do.

My grandparents went to Europe and fought Nazis to stop fascism. Now the MAGAs are doing exactly what Nazi Germany did. They are the new fascists.

In those days, people fought the fascists, now MAGA terrorists are the fascists.

Also, attempting to hijack the thread is unacceptable.

You are completely absent from reality. Sure you call it whatever you like, but rational people realise those claims are either delusional or pure radical political rhetoric.
And what your grandparents did don't automatically transfer to your personal knowledge, which you clearly don't understand. If fact I'd say comparing the US to Nazi Germany is an insult to your grandparents who actually did fight fascist. Your petty claims diminish their service.

 

[Integrityrespec]

It's never been about legality. You know this and I know this.

It's about Stephen Miller being a ****ing Nazi.

Immigrants must follow the law. Legally.

 

[Integrityrespec]

It's what conservatives believe now, in practice. Anything the Trump administration tells them, they immediately accept. They're no longer demanding the government prove anything it says, no longer being skeptical. The government spends a couple months smearing a deported guy as a terrorist and never shows anyone the slightest bit of evidence.

Y'all just... trust the government. "ICE aren't committing crimes" means you're just not paying attention.

Actually it means you are buying into the democrat party's bull because lying is all they have and all they have had for decades. The nation has slowly come to realize this and that's why Trump is President, Republicans hold both the US House and Senate, and a clear majority of state houses and state senates as well as governorships.
The democrat party is dying, and good riddance to it's unbalanced policies.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

You are completely absent from reality. Sure you call it whatever you like, but rational people realise those claims are either delusional or pure radical political rhetoric.

Says you.

And what your grandparents did don't automatically transfer to your personal knowledge, which you clearly don't understand. If fact I'd say comparing the US to Nazi Germany is an insult to your grandparents who actually did fight fascist. Your petty claims diminish their service.

Nope.

Not in the slightest.

In the 40s, republicans fought against fascism. In 2020s, republicans are the cause of fascism.

Denial doesn't change this fact.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Immigrants must follow the law. Legally.

In this case, the guy did exactly that.

And he is getting the boot anyway.

So explain to me the advantage of following those pain in the ass procedures?

 

[Hamish Howl]

If fact I'd say comparing the US to Nazi Germany is an insult to your grandparents who actually did fight fascist. Your petty claims diminish their service.

My grandparents and great uncles would be making "party favors" right now if they were here.

You of all people don't get to decide what diminishes service.

 

[Felis Leo]

This thread really does put paid to the lie that conservatives want legal immigration.