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ICE agents denied entry to Dodger Stadium

ClaraD said:
No it doesn’t it shows them shoving him
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Hello My Son said:
The video clearly shows he was shoving the agents, interfering with the agents' duties, and repeatedly refusing to disperse/get back when ordered to do so, all of which are crimes.

He decided he was going to aggressively go up against federal agents who were in the midst of official duties and now has natural consequences for having done so. It's really pretty straightforward. Any one of us who did what he did with any law enforcement officers from any agency, whether it be local, county, state, or federal, would be facing the same consequences, and this isn't something that started with Trump. The law has literally always been this way.

It turns out that Trump didn't single-handedly invent "disorderly conduct."
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He was shoving them as they they were picking him up after throwing him on the ground.

ICE is clearly the instigator. They could have ignored him. Instead, they attack him and arrest him as he is trying to protect himself.

The terror is the point.

We do not need SWAT teams to go in and arrest working people.
 
ClaraD said:
There is beginning to end video that proves he never once punched anyone
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That's not accurate. The video does not sure up close what happened in the middle of the scuffle, which is when the punch could've occurred. Regardless, everything he was doing before that was illegal and the punch is secondary anyway. They had every right to intervene as he was interfering, and pushing his way past multiple agents repeatedly telling him to disperse. All of that is illegal and caught on camera.
 
Hello My Son said:
That's not accurate. The video does not sure up close what happened in the middle of the scuffle, which is when the punch could've occurred. Regardless, everything he was doing before that was illegal and the punch is secondary anyway. They had every right to intervene as he was interfering, and pushing his way past multiple agents repeatedly telling him to disperse. All of that is illegal and caught on camera.
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Between times they were pushing to the ground? :D
 
medi said:
Why hasn't anyone questioned the very basic point of professionalism in the U.S. industry called by some 'journalism'? I'm asking that because of what I'll show you below:



That bold font was just as it was shown on the page I landed on from that link.

BUT, how about that three-hour thirty-four minute delay? I assume that "Editor's Note" was the result of somebody telling the editor they screwed up.

Sorry, folks. I ain't buying this crap. That was intentional. The contents of the rest of the article pretty much shows that some boss (owner) was licking the boots of some Dem politician as a favor or some such thing.

I mean, what would be the purpose of including something about singing some song in Spanish, instead of English?

Plain and simple, that article is some Dem propaganda piece. And you Dem folks are blabbing all around here about them former Nazi folks and something about fascism and you can't recognize that very style tactic being used right under your noses by your own political party? You folks are either blinded by your politics; or you are seriously stupid.

Good thing I'm too old to do stand-up comedy, because that one article is worth a lot of cash for a nightclub act.

By the way, I'm leaning toward you're "blinded" not you're "stupid" although some of you write like 5th grade students.

*Sang the song in Spanish* - - - WHY NOT FRENCH!? I mean wasn't it the French military that them Mexican rebels had to fight? Let's have a Dodgers/Padres game in Mexico and ALL communications is in French. Teach umps and all players all the vocabulary they need in French. Anybody around this Community good with French?
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Well, there is the point made by someone in this thread that the Dodgers don’t want their fan base ****ed with at their home stadium. Bad for business.

Thought yall were the business first party?
 
j brown's body said:
As a conservative, conservatives traditionally being suspicious of government power, why wouldn't support a stringent use of due process?
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j brown's body said:
"Sotomayor warned that the court’s decision “handcuffs the Judiciary’s ability to perform its constitutional duty to safeguard individual liberty,”

Link

Does this concern you?
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*Crickets*

We see what we're dealing with.
 
Yes keep denying them entry. This is great.
 
j brown's body said:
How can they be tracked if no one knows who they are?
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They're tracked internally. By various forms of technology and automated software that communicates with the tracking devices on their person, in their vehicles, in their body cams, in their phones, in their comms systems, and sometimes even in their weapons. This metadata is commonly cited in court proceedings and is also used to track officers' whereabouts so they always know who is where and what they are doing. It also makes for easy identification of which officers are taking which actions in large-scale operations and/or undercover operations where camera footage alone doesn't tell the whole story.

The technology used by law enforcement agencies has gotten so complex that there are actually software programs whose entire utility is to organize all the data from all the other tracking systems into one cohesive and coherent integrated dataset.

This is all very good for the accuracy of charging the right people with the right crimes and ensuring that LEOs are closely monitored while performing their duties.
 
Hello My Son said:
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They're tracked internally. By various forms of technology and automated software that communicates with the tracking devices on their person, in their vehicles, in their body cams, in their phones, in their comms systems, and sometimes even in their weapons. This metadata is commonly cited in court proceedings and is also used to track officers' whereabouts so they always know who is where and what they are doing. It also makes for easy identification of which officers are taking which actions in large-scale operations and/or undercover operations where camera footage alone doesn't tell the whole story.

The technology used by law enforcement agencies has gotten so complex that there are actually software programs whose entire utility is to organize all the data from all the other tracking systems into one cohesive and coherent integrated dataset.

This is all very good for the accuracy of charging the right people with the right crimes and ensuring that LEOs are closely monitored while performing their duties.
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Yet we can't find a video of this guy hitting an ICE agent. :D

If ICE agents aren't required to wear ID, it may be difficult for people to identify who is beating the shit out of them.
 
Hello My Son said:
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They're tracked internally. By various forms of technology and automated software that communicates with the tracking devices on their person, in their vehicles, in their body cams, in their phones, in their comms systems, and sometimes even in their weapons. This metadata is commonly cited in court proceedings and is also used to track officers' whereabouts so they always know who is where and what they are doing. It also makes for easy identification of which officers are taking which actions in large-scale operations and/or undercover operations where camera footage alone doesn't tell the whole story.

The technology used by law enforcement agencies has gotten so complex that there are actually software programs whose entire utility is to organize all the data from all the other tracking systems into one cohesive and coherent integrated dataset.

This is all very good for the accuracy of charging the right people with the right crimes and ensuring that LEOs are closely monitored while performing their duties.
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They’re tracked internally by who? The same regime that is telling them to commit these lawless acts and insisted they’ll be legally protected regardless of behavior? Thank god for internal auditing of cops under Donald J Trump.
 
j brown's body said:
Shows him pushed down to the ground twice by ICE without provocation.
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He provoked by interfering and repeatedly refusing to leave. The agents were pushing and shoving him back yet he continued to try to use his body to push back against the agents and defy their orders to get back.

That's provocation of LEOs by any legal standard and has been for a long time. You don't get to insert yourself into the middle of official duties by LEO, refuse to leave when they tell you to go away, or continue to press forward toward the agents when they are pushing you and ordering you to leave. That will result in you being taken down by the LEOs 100% of the time regardless of the type of LEO.

Of course this is common sense and you know it to be true. If you believe it's not accurate, then why don't you find a police officer, even just a local officer doing an official traffic stop and insert yourself in the middle of the interaction and protest what the officer is doing, and then you can report back to all of us what transpired after you took that action.
 
j brown's body said:
Yet we can't find a video of this guy hitting an ICE agent. :D
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Doesn't matter. Everything else he did was already illegal. If there's a punch, he'll be charged for it. If no video shows a punch, then he will certainly face other charges for all the other crimes he committed, but not one for punching an officer.

It's also certain that all the tracking and body cam footage hasn't been made available to the public.
 
The Brad Dad said:
You mean other than the numerous judicial rulings against their application of immigration law?
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There have been initial numerous rulings by the lower courts constraining ICE's action but later were overturned by the Supreme Court, the latest being the Biden administration's humanitarian parole program (CHNV) for 532,000 immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua.

There's some (not sure how many) of temporary rulings made against ICE but not all have resulted or will result in final rulings.
Seems like since the SC has been involved, about half of the lower courts rulings have remained while the rest have been overturned by the higher court. I would say the judicial system is doing exactly what it's meant to do.
 
The Brad Dad said:
They’re tracked internally by who? The same regime that is telling them to commit these lawless acts and insisted they’ll be legally protected regardless of behavior? Thank god for internal auditing of cops under Donald J Trump.
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Their agencies, and not just federal agencies. Local and state law enforcement agencies also use this tech. It's as much for officer safety as it is for evidence to be used in court. And the evidence is just as applicable for evidence for/against suspects as it is for/against officers' behaviors. The tracking systems are always on and collecting data as well, and when matched up with video evidence can tell a complete story of officers' actions at any given time.
 
Hello My Son said:
Doesn't matter. Everything else he did was already illegal. If there's a punch, he'll be charged for it. If no video shows a punch, then he will certainly face other charges for all the other crimes he committed, but not one for punching an officer.

It's also certain that all the tracking and body cam footage hasn't been made available to the public.
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trixare4kids said:
There have been initial numerous rulings by the lower courts constraining ICE's action but later were overturned by the Supreme Court, the latest being the Biden administration's humanitarian parole program (CHNV) for 532,000 immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua.

There's some (not sure how many) of temporary rulings made against ICE but not all have resulted or will result in final rulings.
Seems like since the SC has been involved, about half of the lower courts rulings have remained while the rest have been overturned by the higher court. I would say the judicial system is doing exactly what it's meant to do.
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This is the deilmma we face. Virtual SWAT teams are going out and arresting and deporting people who are friends, neighbors, fellow workers and family members.

On the one side is the law, in its most punitive and belligerent form.

On the other side is human relationships.

Do we really want to forsake our humanity for enforcing the law as violently and punitively as is legally possible against people who are doing us no harm whatsoever?

If so, I suggest we are going down a very dangerous path.
 
j brown's body said:
This is the deilmma we face. Virtual SWAT teams are going out and arresting and deporting people who are friends, neighbors, fellow workers and family members.

On the one side is the law, in its most punitive and belligerent form.

On the other side is human relationships.
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ICE, is primarily focused on detaining violent illegal aliens with known criminal records, but to answer your question, a new poll shows that 56% favor deporting illegal aliens.

j brown's body said:
Do we really want to forsake our humanity for enforcing the law as violently and punitively as is legally possible against people who are doing us no harm whatsoever?

If so, I suggest we are going down a very dangerous path.
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This is a strawman fallacy.
 
Hello My Son said:
He provoked by interfering and repeatedly refusing to leave. The agents were pushing and shoving him back yet he continued to try to use his body to push back against the agents and defy their orders to get back.

That's provocation of LEOs by any legal standard and has been for a long time. You don't get to insert yourself into the middle of official duties by LEO, refuse to leave when they tell you to go away, or continue to press forward toward the agents when they are pushing you and ordering you to leave. That will result in you being taken down by the LEOs 100% of the time regardless of the type of LEO.

Of course this is common sense and you know it to be true. If you believe it's not accurate, then why don't you find a police officer, even just a local officer doing an official traffic stop and insert yourself in the middle of the interaction and protest what the officer is doing, and then you can report back to all of us what transpired after you took that action.
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He doesn’t have to leave and no yelling isn’t provoking stop making excuses for them lying and also abusing their authority
 
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