ICE agents denied entry to Dodger Stadium

[j brown's body]

Lol grainy security footage from across the parking lot that is spliced and doesn't show the entire series of events, let alone anything close enough to determine whether the suspect took a swing at an agent. One has to ask if the news organization intentionally used the worst footage possible when better footage was already available....and there is undoubtedly more footage from other angles due to body cam footage from the agents involved.

One thing's for sure, he took the fight to the agents, was told multiple times to clear out and go away, but kept aggressively coming toward the agents. That's illegal no matter how you slice it.

As I said before, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This "kid" is prime evidence that Neanderthal DNA continues to exist in human bloodlines.

So you believe ICE's claim that he assaulted them even though we have no evidence of it?

He took no fight to the agents. He was yelling at them. It seems pretty clear they could have gone about their business and ignored him.

But the point is to terrorize the people. There are clearly better ways to go about this sordid business.

 

[Hello My Son]

You should see what applies to become ICE personnel. There’s a reason they wear masks.

They have badges and ID numbers for tracking purposes. Not having their faces blasted on cameras across the country so their families can be doxed and threatened with violence is perfectly understandable.

Nobody ever complained about SWAT teams and other LEO task forces wearing masks for their own protection before, and it's occurred for decades under the control of both major political parties, so I don't see why it would suddenly be a problem now.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Is it your position that the IIRAIRA is unconstitutional?

No, it’s the Trump’s regime’s position that it’s unconstitutional: it has denied guidance regarding amnesty seekers and simply revoked without due process thousands of legal statuses. IIRAIRA doesn’t grant the government the right to kidnap people off the street and ship them to foreign prisons. Being in the country illegally isn’t even a criminal offense.

 

[The Brad Dad]

They have badges and ID numbers for tracking purposes. Not having their faces blasted on cameras across the country so their families can be doxed and threatened with violence is perfectly understandable.

Nobody ever complained about SWAT teams and other LEO task forces wearing masks for their own protection before, and it's occurred for decades under the control of both major political parties, so I don't see why it would suddenly be a problem now.

They’re wearing masks and covering their identifying info while leaping out of unmarked vans and grabbing college students here legally. The analogy to individuals activated to deal with a literal emergency in progress from life threatening forces doesn’t pass the sniff test.

 

[Hello My Son]

So you believe ICE's claim that he assaulted them even though we have no evidence of it?

I believe the video evidence, which at a minimum, shows the suspect pushing and shoving agents, obviously interfering with their duties, and also throwing a garbage receptacle at them, all of which are illegal acts.

After all that, whether he threw a punch or not is secondary, because the proof is already there that he broke multiple laws, but since he was clearly being aggressive and repeatedly not following orders to disperse, it's also possible that in the scuffle he threw a punch.

When all is said and done, the prosecutor on the case will apply criminal charges that match the video evidence. That's the great thing about body cam footage--they give multiple angles and show definitive proof of crimes in commission. I'm very glad that liberals pushed so hard for body cams to be worn by LEOs. No more he said-she said cases when it comes to something like this.

 

[ClaraD]

Lmao, the “kid” who is a 20 year old ADULT and who is now charged with punching a federal official? Yeah, they were following the law.

On the other hand, he wasn’t, which is why he’s now facing a felony. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Funny that you left out his little act of impeding and punching a federal agent. It’s almost as if you’re not making honest posts on purpose…

There is beginning to end video that proves he never once punched anyone

 

[TangoNoCash]

I do really wonder if a lot of these guys are government agents or a third party service getting paid per capture by the government?

 

[j brown's body]

They have badges and ID numbers for tracking purposes. Not having their faces blasted on cameras across the country so their families can be doxed and threatened with violence is perfectly understandable.

Nobody ever complained about SWAT teams and other LEO task forces wearing masks for their own protection before, and it's occurred for decades under the control of both major political parties, so I don't see why it would suddenly be a problem now.

Apparently, "ICE officers are not required to wear visible identification numbers when interacting with the public."
Link

You putting working undocumented immigrants on par with those who are sought by SWAT teams?

If so, this country is in serious trouble.

 

[Hello My Son]

No, it’s the Trump’s regime’s position that it’s unconstitutional: it has denied guidance regarding amnesty seekers and simply revoked without due process thousands of legal statuses. IIRAIRA doesn’t grant the government the right to kidnap people off the street and ship them to foreign prisons. Being in the country illegally isn’t even a criminal offense.

The IIRAIRA allows for rapid deportation without hearings and what is allowed in the IIRAIRA has been upheld by SCOTUS several times with different majorities. IIRAIRA was, after all, a bipartisan piece of legislation signed into law by Bill Clinton.

If you're contending that Trump is violating the IIRAIRA, could you outline which specific parts he's violating?

 

[j brown's body]

I believe the video evidence, which at a minimum, shows the suspect pushing and shoving agents, obviously interfering with their duties, and also throwing a garbage receptacle at them, all of which are illegal acts.

After all that, whether he threw a punch or not is secondary, because the proof is already there that he broke multiple laws, but since he was clearly being aggressive and repeatedly not following orders to disperse, it's also possible that in the scuffle he threw a punch.

When all is said and done, the prosecutor on the case will apply criminal charges that match the video evidence. That's the great thing about body cam footage--they give multiple angles and show definitive proof of crimes in commission. I'm very glad that liberals pushed so hard for body cams to be worn by LEOs. No more he said-she said cases when it comes to something like this.

He took no fight to the agents. He was yelling at them. It seems pretty clear they could have gone about their business and ignored him.

But the point is to terrorize the people. There are clearly better ways to go about this sordid business.

 

[Hello My Son]

Apparently, "ICE officers are not required to wear visible identification numbers when interacting with the public."
Link

You putting working undocumented immigrants on par with those who are sought by SWAT teams?

If so, this country is in serious trouble.

I didn't claim that they were required to wear visible identification numbers. I stated that they all have identification numbers for tracking purposes, which means their identities are available in their own tracking systems for use in court proceedings if needed.

They are, however, required to wear and/or show their badges and identify themselves as federal agents when engaging with private citizens or non-citizens, just like all other LEO who are not engaged in pre-approved undercover operations.

 

[The Brad Dad]

The IIRAIRA allows for rapid deportation without hearings and what is allowed in the IIRAIRA has been upheld by SCOTUS several times with different majorities. IIRAIRA was, after all, a bipartisan piece of legislation signed into law by Bill Clinton.

If you're contending that Trump is violating the IIRAIRA, could you outline which specific parts he's violating?

His application of policy has been rejected by courts across the country by all ideologies. Specially on grounds of due process. It’s why he keep losing spectacularly in court and vice president eyeliner has to babble about judges having no say in things

 

[Grizzly Adams]

The spokesman did not say that, a person on the scene did.

You're anomaly hunting. Both can still be true.

They could produce evidence as there is no view of any car being worked on or towed for service.

Yes, that's a high-profile, action-packed situation that I'm sure everyone thought should be preserved for posterity.

I have evidence - and lack of it in the spokesman's case.. All you have speculation.

You have nothing but your disbelief. I'm just going off what the news reports say.

 

[trixare4kids]

My position is the government has been acting unconstitutionally and denying due process to most of the individuals it’s kidnapping off city streets.

That may be your position but where's the hard evidence that proves the above statement?

 

[ClaraD]

Lol grainy security footage from across the parking lot that is spliced and doesn't show the entire series of events, let alone anything close enough to determine whether the suspect took a swing at an agent. One has to ask if the news organization intentionally used the worst footage possible when better footage was already available....and there is undoubtedly more footage from other angles due to body cam footage from the agents involved.

One thing's for sure, he took the fight to the agents, was told multiple times to clear out and go away, but kept aggressively coming toward the agents. That's illegal no matter how you slice it.

As I said before, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This "kid" is prime evidence that Neanderthal DNA continues to exist in human bloodlines.

Its not grainy or spliced at all. Its footage from Walmart’s security cameras

 

[Hello My Son]

He took no fight to the agents. He was yelling at them. It seems pretty clear they could have gone about their business and ignored him.

But the point is to terrorize the people. There are clearly better ways to go about this sordid business.

The video clearly shows he was shoving the agents, interfering with the agents' duties, and repeatedly refusing to disperse/get back when ordered to do so, all of which are crimes.

He decided he was going to aggressively go up against federal agents who were in the midst of official duties and now has natural consequences for having done so. It's really pretty straightforward. Any one of us who did what he did with any law enforcement officers from any agency, whether it be local, county, state, or federal, would be facing the same consequences, and this isn't something that started with Trump. The law has literally always been this way.

It turns out that Trump didn't single-handedly invent "disorderly conduct."

 

[trixare4kids]

They have badges and ID numbers for tracking purposes. Not having their faces blasted on cameras across the country so their families can be doxed and threatened with violence is perfectly understandable.

Nobody ever complained about SWAT teams and other LEO task forces wearing masks for their own protection before, and it's occurred for decades under the control of both major political parties, so I don't see why it would suddenly be a problem now.

Yeah, the complaints ring hollow, aligning more with a partisan faux outrage.

 

[ClaraD]

They have badges and ID numbers for tracking purposes. Not having their faces blasted on cameras across the country so their families can be doxed and threatened with violence is perfectly understandable.

Nobody ever complained about SWAT teams and other LEO task forces wearing masks for their own protection before, and it's occurred for decades under the control of both major political parties, so I don't see why it would suddenly be a problem now.

They aren’t giving their ID or badge number. There are multiple videos of agents refusing to ID or provide badge numbers

 

[j brown's body]

The IIRAIRA allows for rapid deportation without hearings and what is allowed in the IIRAIRA has been upheld by SCOTUS several times with different majorities. IIRAIRA was, after all, a bipartisan piece of legislation signed into law by Bill Clinton.

If you're contending that Trump is violating the IIRAIRA, could you outline which specific parts he's violating?

"Sotomayor warned that the court’s decision “handcuffs the Judiciary’s ability to perform its constitutional duty to safeguard individual liberty,”

Link

Does this concern you?

 

[ClaraD]

The video clearly shows he was shoving the agents, interfering with the agents' duties, and repeatedly refusing to disperse/get back when ordered to do so, all of which are crimes.

He decided he was going to aggressively go up against federal agents who were in the midst of official duties and now has natural consequences for having done so. It's really pretty straightforward. Any one of us who did what he did with any law enforcement officers from any agency, whether it be local, county, state, or federal, would be facing the same consequences, and this isn't something that started with Trump. The law has literally always been this way.

It turns out that Trump didn't single-handedly invent "disorderly conduct."

No it doesn’t it shows them shoving him

 

[j brown's body]

I didn't claim that they were required to wear visible identification numbers. I stated that they all have identification numbers for tracking purposes, which means their identities are available in their own tracking systems for use in court proceedings if needed.

They are, however, required to wear and/or show their badges and identify themselves as federal agents when engaging with private citizens or non-citizens, just like all other LEO who are not engaged in pre-approved undercover operations.

How can they be tracked if no one knows who they are?

 

[The Brad Dad]

That may be your position but where's the hard evidence that proves the above statement?

You mean other than the numerous judicial rulings against their application of immigration law?

 

[TangoNoCash]

They aren’t giving their ID or badge number. There are multiple videos of agents refusing to ID or provide badge numbers

I’ve been wondering lately if it’s not a service provided by a company like Blackrock.

 

[What if...?]

So, ICE is saying there are impersonators out there. Have they reported this egregious crime?

Don’t you love it when they ad lib instead of waiting for the propaganda response to be distributed?

 

[The Brad Dad]

I’ve been wondering lately if it’s not a service provided by a company like Blackrock.

It looks like they’re deputizing any slob that wants to sign on, honestly.