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I want to vote for Perry but......

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Daddyo

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I wanted so bad to warm up to Rick Perry but after the debate, and being called heartless, and his unintelligent ramble, I will not support him. Now Perry is out for me as is Romney and Bachman. Ron Paul was never in nor was Huntsman. I'm getting close to pulling the lever for Cain.

What say yee fellow Conservatives?
 
There's no way in hell I'd ever vote for that religious retard Perry or Bachmann. Paul is a lunatic. Cain... who knows. It's going to be yet another election where I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils, but that's been hard to do lately because they're all horribly evil.
 
Any of the three you mentioned, including Perry, would do a 1000000000000000000000000 percent better job than the Mesiah. In the primary I want to vote for the best of the group this time and not the one with the best chance to win.
 
Daddyo said:
Any of the three you mentioned, including Perry, would do a 1000000000000000000000000 percent better job than the Mesiah.
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If you believe that's true, than why not vote for someone who actually has a shot in hell at beating Obama, rather than voting for someone who will give him another term like Cain, Bachmann, or Perry?
 
Daddyo said:
Any of the three you mentioned, including Perry, would do a 1000000000000000000000000 percent better job than the Mesiah. In the primary I want to vote for the best of the group this time and not the one with the best chance to win.
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I don't buy that for a second. When the going gets tough, Perry gives up and gets on his knees. What a moron.
 
It is looking like Romney is the only viable candidate overall.

Personally I hate that... I don't like him much. WAY too much of a politician, among other things... but preferable to another 4 yrs of Obama.

We need to keep the main goal in sight.
 

The main goal ought to be to put the best candidate in office, but in most elections, there is no best candidate. None of them deserve the job. We'd do better just leaving the Oval Office empty.
 
It is looking like Romney is the only viable candidate overall.

Personally I hate that... I don't like him much. WAY too much of a politician, among other things... but preferable to another 4 yrs of Obama.

We need to keep the main goal in sight.
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The things Perry was trying to spit out in his babbling session during the debate are true. Romney is not a conservative. If the choice is between Obama and someone like Obama only with the big R next to his name, I would rather the Democrat get the credit for fall of the country.

While Romney and Huntsman would still be better than Obama, the others would do a better job of fixing this mess and staying true to conservative agenda.
 
Daddyo said:
While Romney and Huntsman would still be better than Obama, the others would do a better job of fixing this mess and staying true to conservative agenda.
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Even if that was true, something I don't necessarily agree with, it doesn't matter. If the others get nominated, then Obama will almost definitely be re-elected. Nominating Cain, Bachmann, Perry, or Santorum is handing Obama a second term.
 
Cephus said:
The main goal ought to be to put the best candidate in office, but in most elections, there is no best candidate. None of them deserve the job. We'd do better just leaving the Oval Office empty.
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The thing to consider, though, is whether someone is the best candidate for the Republican Party or whether someone is the best candidate for the American people.

Those two things are often mutually exclusive.
 
samsmart said:
The thing to consider, though, is whether someone is the best candidate for the Republican Party or whether someone is the best candidate for the American people.

Those two things are often mutually exclusive.
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The problem is, people often get so mired in party politics that they'd rather see a horrible politician from their own party in power, just to deny the office to someone from the other party. I don't vote party line, never have, never will. I don't think there's been a Presidential candidate in decades who has actually been good for the American people. None of them have deserved the office. None.
 

I'm not a conservative - but I still urge you to choose your candidate of choice based on their past records per the values they REALLY hold and what they have accomplished/managed to do.

Debates and campaign rhetoric is just that - debate and campaign rhetoric.

Obama was a favorite - and people chose him based on the color of his skin and how well he rattled off a speech.
 
Problem is I don't agree with kids of illegals getting tuition breaks. Then I'm called heartless. We get enough of that from the left. On top of that he makes Bush look like a rocket scientist. I'm really not happy with him so far.
 
Daddyo said:
Problem is I don't agree with kids of illegals getting tuition breaks. Then I'm called heartless. We get enough of that from the left. On top of that he makes Bush look like a rocket scientist. I'm really not happy with him so far.
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Doesn't matter whether Perry supports this or not - presidents often can't undo what Congress has already done. Illegals get education in this country to a point - after all that, I don't think it matters if some of them attend college at all.
 

the heartless thing was stupid - shades of George Bush during the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" debate. Mind you, the guy wants to get rid of sanctuary cities, deploy the US Military and Predator drones to the border, has proven willing to execute illegal aliens, and has spent hundreds of millions doing a job that the federal government won't. I wouldn't call him a border squish.

Nor does an answer where clarity escaped him disqualify him. He is right about Romney's flip-flopping and (entertainingly), illegal immigration is one of the issues Romney has flipped on.

But yeah, it's disappointing. I was leaning strong Perry, now I'm leaning weak Perry.
 

The problem is that I can't see a significant difference between Romney and Obama. I don't like Perry that much, but I think that he shows a real desire to shrink government in most places. Romney is the epitome of a status quo politician. I'd rather have something of a real choice on election day instead of two sides of the same coin.
 

the heartless line is telling of how a man thinks - that's why I give it weight. the logic is too similar to Bush's veiled charges of racism against those who opposed "comprehensive immigration reform" for me by half.
 

I see one major difference, and that is that Romney would feel obliged to sign whatever the conservative House was able to push up through the Senate.
 
But yeah, it's disappointing. I was leaning strong Perry, now I'm leaning weak Perry.
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I will wait and see on Perry. He better up his game real fast. Part of getting elected is to look and SOUND presidential. So far he looks like a doofus and sounds worst.

Crap like him backing off the ponzy sceme with social security when he is 100 percent correct ticks me off as well.
 
[QUOTEI see one major difference, and that is that Romney would feel obliged to sign whatever the conservative House was able to push up through the Senate. ][/QUOTE]

Or just as likely to sign what a liberal house or senate would push through. Thats my problem with Romney.
 
true - you would have to depend on the Tea Party Republicans continuing to hold together in the House.
 
Well one thing I believe i can say without fear of contradiction is that is Cain is the Republican Candidate it will flabbergast the whole Democrat Party because it takes the race card out of the deck, for the duration.
 
Well one thing I believe i can say without fear of contradiction is that is Cain is the Republican Candidate it will flabbergast the whole Democrat Party because it takes the race card out of the deck, for the duration.
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You are right but I'm afraid wrong aswell. The party will be flabbergasted however they will call him an Uncle Tom and demonize everything possible while tossing rose pedals on the Mesiah. The race card will be played as always. The fear card will as well. This all with the regular personal attacks of course.

Just look at what they did to Justice Thomas.
 

If they do call Cain an Uncle Tom they are calling Obama the same thing. Calling Cain an Uncle Tom would really piss off the American people. Cain is way to bright to be called anything demeaning.
 
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