I thought that with the lessoning of COVID deaths there would be less disinformation posted.

[Fledermaus]

I was clearly wrong.

 

[americanwoman]

I was clearly wrong.

Stubborn people rarely want to admit they were wrong or that what we did or didn't know in early 2020 is still applicable over two years later.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I was clearly wrong.

What has happened (it sure looks like) is that COVID-19 has settled in to behaving like any other "seasonal respiratory disorder" and that the (likely) continuing daily average of deaths from COVID-19 is going to settle into the 350 to 450 range. Of course, as with any other "seasonal respiratory disorder" there will be ups and down (just like there is with "common cold" or "influenza").

Of course, as with any other communicable disease, the likelihood is that that daily average of deaths will slowly decline - but we might need as much as a couple of generations to see it settle out at its "long-term normal".

 

[snakestretcher]

What has happened (it sure looks like) is that COVID-19 has settled in to behaving like any other "seasonal respiratory disorder" and that the (likely) continuing daily average of deaths from COVID-19 is going to settle into the 350 to 450 range. Of course, as with any other "seasonal respiratory disorder" there will be ups and down (just like there is with "common cold" or "influenza").

Of course, as with any other communicable disease, the likelihood is that that daily average of deaths will slowly decline - but we might need as much as a couple of generations to see it settle out at its "long-term normal".

And just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...

W.H.O. Declares Monkeypox Spread a Global Health Emergency (Published 2022)

There have been more than 16,000 cases in 75 countries, overwhelmingly among men who have sex with men.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Fledermaus]

If anything it has increased.

 

[Fledermaus]

*Sigh*

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...

W.H.O. Declares Monkeypox Spread a Global Health Emergency (Published 2022)

There have been more than 16,000 cases in 75 countries, overwhelmingly among men who have sex with men.

www.nytimes.com

Reminds me of one of the maxims from "The Security Officer's Handbook" which is

Threats to Security WILL be found.​

 

[phoenix2020]

I was clearly wrong.

I personally don’t mind nor care. I strongly encourage anti-vaxxers to lick, snort or inject COVID to show that they can own the left or whatever makes them feel like winners. The 2% or so who die horribly as a result can be replaced by more patriotic immigrants, and the deceased anti-vaxxers will die horribly yet happily, knowing that they stuck it to the left. Everybody wins.

 

[Fledermaus]

I personally don’t mind nor care. I strongly encourage anti-vaxxers to lick, snort or inject COVID to show that they can own the left or whatever makes them feel like winners. The 2% or so who die horribly as a result can be replaced by more patriotic immigrants, and the deceased anti-vaxxers will die horribly yet happily, knowing that they stuck it to the left. Everybody wins.

The idiots can still infect others include innocent children.

 

[phoenix2020]

The idiots can still infect others include innocent children.

Children are at very low risk versus adult anti-vaxxers. The bigger risk is the children of deceased anti-vaxxers being orphaned, but there are plenty of loving and also rational homes that will give them a good life and lots of love.

 

[Fledermaus]

Is it me or are the latest spate of opened threads mostly standard anti-vaxx bleating?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Is it me or are the latest spate of opened threads mostly standard anti-vaxx bleating?

Not in the least.

They are mostly uninformed, ignorant, repetitive, pro-Trunp, anti-vaxx bleating of the British Trade Union Congress' "I'm all right Jack, screw you." type.

 

[Fledermaus]

And the Antivaxxers and Antimaskers just keep on keeping on.

 

[X Factor]

Stubborn people rarely want to admit they were wrong or that what we did or didn't know in early 2020 is still applicable over two years later.

Yeah, y’all should stop being be so dang stubborn.

 

[bomberfox]

Is it me or are the latest spate of opened threads mostly standard anti-vaxx bleating?

Not just you.

 

[americanwoman]

Yeah, y’all should stop being be so dang stubborn.

I think it's way more stubborn to subject yourself to a serious illness to protect yourself against said illness instead of getting vaccinated for it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Not just you.

Saw an "interesting" study the other day that proved that catching, and surviving, COVID-19 was as effective in preventing catching COVID-19 as getting vaccinated.

The numbers are likely correct because "catching and surviving" a disease produces "naturally acquired immunity" while getting vaccinated produces "artificially acquired immunity".

What the article did NOT seem to think was worth mentioning was that the death rate from getting vaccinated against COVID-10 was (at least) 1,000 times LOWER than the death rate from catching COVID-19.

The anti-vaxxers appear to believe that the odds of winning in these two cases

[1] you win in 1 out of 2 cases​

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[2] you win in 1 out of 2,000 cases​

are identical because in both options the words "you win" appear.

 

[snakestretcher]

'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I was clearly wrong.

I thought that the level of anti-vaxxer violence would subside.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

Delta passenger tried to open emergency door as attention-grab to share vaccine views, feds say​

When asked why he attempted to open the emergency door in-flight, the Portland resident told police he hoped passengers onboard would start filming him so he had “the opportunity to share his thoughts on covid-19 vaccines,” according to an affidavit from FBI agent Adam T. Hoover. In a passenger video obtained by the Register-Guard, Demarre is seen yelling, “We’re all being lied to,” and muttering about coronavirus vaccines as he is taken off the plane by authorities.

I can think of about a half dozen DP members who might fit this profile rather snugly.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I thought that the level of anti-vaxxer violence would subside.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

Delta passenger tried to open emergency door as attention-grab to share vaccine views, feds say​

When asked why he attempted to open the emergency door in-flight, the Portland resident told police he hoped passengers onboard would start filming him so he had “the opportunity to share his thoughts on covid-19 vaccines,” according to an affidavit from FBI agent Adam T. Hoover. In a passenger video obtained by the Register-Guard, Demarre is seen yelling, “We’re all being lied to,” and muttering about coronavirus vaccines as he is taken off the plane by authorities.

I can think of about a half dozen DP members who might fit this profile rather snugly.

Someone is a few sandwiches short of a picnic - and I don't mean you.

 

[fireflygmf]

I personally don’t mind nor care. I strongly encourage anti-vaxxers to lick, snort or inject COVID to show that they can own the left or whatever makes them feel like winners. The 2% or so who die horribly as a result can be replaced by more patriotic immigrants, and the deceased anti-vaxxers will die horribly yet happily, knowing that they stuck it to the left. Everybody wins.

The infection fatality of COVID is 0.03% across all age segments on average, not 2%.

For very young people it's as low as 0.002%, and increases exponentially with age.

Please see this link, offered by Stanford University Meta-Research Center. It is a safe bet to assume that they know what they are doing, and are a left-leaning University, if that matters to you. It seems to matter to a lot of people.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The infection fatality of COVID is 0.03% across all age segments on average, not 2%.

An interesting statement of an essentially meaningless term.

The "mortality rate" from COVID-19 in the US is 1.09%.

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What that means is that, if you catch COVID-19, in the US, there is a 1.09% chance that the disease will be fatal.

On the other hand, if you don't catch COVID-19, there is a 0.00% chance that you will die from it.

You might want to note that the US mortality rate is actually LOWER than the Canadian mortality rate but that you stand a 2.548 :: 1 higher chance of dying from COVID-19 in the US than Canada. Why is that? Because you stand a much lower chance of catching COVID-19 in Canada than you do in the US. Why is that? It couldn't be because the Canadian people are more consistent in adopting "risk reducing" behaviors than the American people are, could it?

BTW, the "infection fatality" rate in the Fascist Socialist People's Republican Monarchy of Canada with its Socialized Medicine and Death Panels is 0.0134%. Obviously the Canadian government is lying just to make the US look bad.

For very young people it's as low as 0.002%, and increases exponentially with age.

Please see this link, offered by Stanford University Meta-Research Center. It is a safe bet to assume that they know what they are doing, and are a left-leaning University, if that matters to you. It seems to matter to a lot of people.

And it's an even safer bet that you don't understand the meanings of the terms that you are using.

 

[fireflygmf]

An interesting statement of an essentially meaningless term.

The "mortality rate" from COVID-19 in the US is 1.09%.

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What that means is that, if you catch COVID-19, in the US, there is a 1.09% chance that the disease will be fatal.

On the other hand, if you don't catch COVID-19, there is a 0.00% chance that you will die from it.

You might want to note that the US mortality rate is actually LOWER than the Canadian mortality rate but that you stand a 2.548 :: 1 higher chance of dying from COVID-19 in the US than Canada. Why is that? Because you stand a much lower chance of catching COVID-19 in Canada than you do in the US. Why is that? It couldn't be because the Canadian people are more consistent in adopting "risk reducing" behaviors than the American people are, could it?

BTW, the "infection fatality" rate in the Fascist Socialist People's Republican Monarchy of Canada with its Socialized Medicine and Death Panels is 0.0134%. Obviously the Canadian government is lying just to make the US look bad.

And it's an even safer bet that you don't understand the meanings of the terms that you are using.

You're mistaken. The chance of death if you catch covid is under 1.09%, and is closer to 0.03% as detailed in the link I posted to support my statement.

Implying that I am too simple to understand the terms that are used in the study doesn't strengthen your argument.

The table you posted is based on officially tested cases, not on total infections. One's chance of dying if you catch COVID needs to be calculated using infections as the denominator, not official cases.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You're mistaken. The chance of death if you catch covid is under 1.09%, and is closer to 0.03% as detailed in the link I posted to support my statement.

That 0.03% figure is derived by dividing the total number of deaths by the total population. That includes the people who never caught COVID-19.

The 1.09% figure is derived by dividing the total number of deaths by the total number of people who actually contracted COVID-19.

Implying that I am too simple to understand the terms that are used in the study doesn't strengthen your argument.

When you repeat your misunderstanding that strengthens my belief that you simply don't know what you are talking about.

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(see "Mortality Rate ALL" and "Mortality Rate "CLOSED" in the table above).

The table you posted is based on officially tested cases, not on total infections. One's chance of dying if you catch COVID needs to be calculated using infections as the denominator, not official cases.

Hog wash. Your position is that 100% of the people of the United States of America contracted COVID-19.

 

[fireflygmf]

That 0.03% figure is derived by dividing the total number of deaths by the total population. That includes the people who never caught COVID-19.

Incorrect. That number is derived by the actual number of infections.

The 1.09% figure is derived by dividing the total number of deaths by the total number of people who actually contracted COVID-19.

When you repeat your misunderstanding that strengthens my belief that you simply don't know what you are talking about.

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(see "Mortality Rate ALL" and "Mortality Rate "CLOSED" in the table above).

Hog wash. Your position is that 100% of the people of the United States of America contracted COVID-19.

I find your continued personal attack on me disheartening, I ask that you refrain. I hold no ill will. I'm only trying to help people accurately track reality by citing authoritative sources, and I assure you that I know exactly what I am talking about.

I don't claim that 100% of people have had COVID, but it's very, very close. Please see this CDC link citing a 96% prevalence estimate in the pediatric population as of December, 2022. Hence, taking the population at this point is completely within bounds.

Once again, I'm not the one creating these numbers. I'm quoting them here for you, but they are from the CDC and Stanford University. It's going to difficult to debunk this with some excel sheets you've filled out. Why is this so hard to accept? These are accurate, authoritative sources.