I think we need to consider more nuclear energy

[Deuce]

Sorry, I want no nuclear waste, period.

I don't care what you want.

 

[WillyPete]

wow, the pro nuke posts are absolutely cultish!

Hey, it's either a goal worth trying to achieve, or it's not.

You need to get past your fear of Godzilla.

 

[Razoo]

I say the choices should be:
Of course energy conservation
wind
solar' (roof top solar power)
geo thermal
hydro
Carbon capture (needs a lot of work though)

There is no safe storage of nuke waste and how many want a nuke waste storage facility in their state or backyard?

https://content.sierraclub.org › team-news › 2019/06
Jun 25, 2019 — One nuclear power plant takes on average about 14-1/2 years to build, ... plutonium or enrich uranium to manufacture nuclear weapons.
https://www.sierraclub.org › michigan › nuclear-free-fu...
Add to that water pollution resuting from mining uranium ore, habitat destruction, costly maintenance, that producing nuclear power adds to climate change ...

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › nuclear-free...
The "Front End" is how a nuclear power plant gets its fuel. Uranium is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Dirty Fuels Apocalypse, along with coal, oil and gas.
https://www.sierraclub.org › ohio › nuclear-free
This Sierra Club fact sheet describes the major “front end” industries of nuclear power – these are industries beyond uranium mining, milling, and refining. The ...

How Nuclear Power Worsens Climate Change​

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › how-n...

PDF
Nuclear power has a big carbon footprint. At the front end of nuclear power, carbon energy is used for uranium mining, milling, processing, conversion, ...

 

[roguenuke]

Hey, it's either a goal worth trying to achieve, or it's not.

You need to get past your fear of Godzilla.

My son would call Godzilla a bonus.

 

[roguenuke]

I say the choices should be:
wind
solar'
geo thermal
hydro

There is no safe storage of nuke waste and how many want a nuke waste storage facility in their state or backyard?


https://content.sierraclub.org › team-news › 2019/06
Jun 25, 2019 — One nuclear power plant takes on average about 14-1/2 years to build, ... plutonium or enrich uranium to manufacture nuclear weapons.
https://www.sierraclub.org › michigan › nuclear-free-fu...
Add to that water pollution resuting from mining uranium ore, habitat destruction, costly maintenance, that producing nuclear power adds to climate change ...

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › nuclear-free...
The "Front End" is how a nuclear power plant gets its fuel. Uranium is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Dirty Fuels Apocalypse, along with coal, oil and gas.
https://www.sierraclub.org › ohio › nuclear-free
This Sierra Club fact sheet describes the major “front end” industries of nuclear power – these are industries beyond uranium mining, milling, and refining. The ...

How Nuclear Power Worsens Climate Change​

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › how-n...

PDF
Nuclear power has a big carbon footprint. At the front end of nuclear power, carbon energy is used for uranium mining, milling, processing, conversion, ...

You keep providing a single source, one that has highly biased conclusions in regards to this particular issue.

Solar, wind and nuclear have ‘amazingly low’ carbon footprints, study finds

Building solar, wind or nuclear plants creates an insignificant carbon footprint compared with savings from avoiding fossil fuels, a new study suggests.

www.carbonbrief.org

It shows that the carbon footprint of solar, wind and nuclear power are many times lower than coal or gas with carbon capture and storage (CCS). This remains true after accounting for emissions during manufacture, construction and fuel supply.

 

[noonereal]

I don't care what you want.

This is the kind of post I would expect from irrational extremists who place agenda ahead of respect for other's wants.

peace

 

[Ikari]

I say the choices should be:
wind
solar'
geo thermal
hydro

Geo thermal and hydro can typically be used well as a "constant" energy source in certain areas. Wind and solar can supplement grids. But how do you store peak energy production for use in peak energy consumption?

 

[noonereal]

I say the choices should be:
wind
solar'
geo thermal
hydro

There is no safe storage of nuke waste and how many want a nuke waste storage facility in their state or backyard?


https://content.sierraclub.org › team-news › 2019/06
Jun 25, 2019 — One nuclear power plant takes on average about 14-1/2 years to build, ... plutonium or enrich uranium to manufacture nuclear weapons.
https://www.sierraclub.org › michigan › nuclear-free-fu...
Add to that water pollution resuting from mining uranium ore, habitat destruction, costly maintenance, that producing nuclear power adds to climate change ...

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › nuclear-free...
The "Front End" is how a nuclear power plant gets its fuel. Uranium is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Dirty Fuels Apocalypse, along with coal, oil and gas.
https://www.sierraclub.org › ohio › nuclear-free
This Sierra Club fact sheet describes the major “front end” industries of nuclear power – these are industries beyond uranium mining, milling, and refining. The ...

How Nuclear Power Worsens Climate Change​

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › how-n...

PDF
Nuclear power has a big carbon footprint. At the front end of nuclear power, carbon energy is used for uranium mining, milling, processing, conversion, ...

Careful, you are dealing with a mob mentality.

 

[Deuce]

This is the kind of post I would expect from irrational extremists who place agenda ahead of respect for other's wants.

peace

You're not respecting my wants.

 

[roguenuke]

Careful, you are dealing with a mob mentality.

And NIMBY isn't a form of mob mentality? Spreading disinformation or irrational fears of nuclear power isn't a form of mob mentality when so many believe those things that are wrong?

 

[noonereal]

You're not respecting my wants.

By not agreeing with you? LOL

That is not how it works. I don't have to agree with you to respect your view. In fact I do respect your view. I simply want no part of nukes for the reasons I already sited.

If we all vote and you win I will not flip out. I'll respect the vote. If we all vote and you lose, it will clearly deeply disturb you.

 

[noonereal]

And NIMBY isn't a form of mob mentality? Spreading disinformation or irrational fears of nuclear power isn't a form of mob mentality when so many believe those things that are wrong?

I don't know what NIMBY is, I never spoke to it and I don't want to know what it is.

 

[roguenuke]

I don't know what NIMBY is, I never spoke to it and I don't want to know what it is.

"Not in my backyard". It is the fear of having nuclear power plants within a person's geographic location based on unwarranted fears of radiation, nuclear waste, and nuclear power in general.

Does the “NIMBY syndrome” undermine public support for nucle

A key obstacle to nuclear energy as a decarbonization policy is the public perception of risks of radiation leaks from reactors. In particular, the “not-in-my-backyard (NIMBY)" syndrome suggests

ideas.repec.org

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I say the choices should be:
Of course energy conservation
wind
solar' (roof top solar power)
geo thermal
hydro
Carbon capture (needs a lot of work though)

There is no safe storage of nuke waste and how many want a nuke waste storage facility in their state or backyard?

https://content.sierraclub.org › team-news › 2019/06
Jun 25, 2019 — One nuclear power plant takes on average about 14-1/2 years to build, ... plutonium or enrich uranium to manufacture nuclear weapons.
https://www.sierraclub.org › michigan › nuclear-free-fu...
Add to that water pollution resuting from mining uranium ore, habitat destruction, costly maintenance, that producing nuclear power adds to climate change ...

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › nuclear-free...
The "Front End" is how a nuclear power plant gets its fuel. Uranium is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Dirty Fuels Apocalypse, along with coal, oil and gas.
https://www.sierraclub.org › ohio › nuclear-free
This Sierra Club fact sheet describes the major “front end” industries of nuclear power – these are industries beyond uranium mining, milling, and refining. The ...

How Nuclear Power Worsens Climate Change​

https://www.sierraclub.org › nuclear-free › how-n...

PDF
Nuclear power has a big carbon footprint. At the front end of nuclear power, carbon energy is used for uranium mining, milling, processing, conversion, ...

That last point you made is very silly. At the front end of the construction of EVERY alternative energy source is carbon energy....that isn't a reason to not switch over. You could make the same argument against solar panels and the extraction of the metals used to make batteries. Are you also against solar power? There are plenty of legitimate arguments surrounding nuclear but that is not one of them.

 

[Razoo]

Geo thermal and hydro can typically be used well as a "constant" energy source in certain areas. Wind and solar can supplement grids. But how do you store peak energy production for use in peak energy consumption?

How is it stored now .....

Is there not a way to store energy as we speak?

Of course there is ......

 

[Razoo]

You keep providing a single source, one that has highly biased conclusions in regards to this particular issue.

Solar, wind and nuclear have ‘amazingly low’ carbon footprints, study finds

Building solar, wind or nuclear plants creates an insignificant carbon footprint compared with savings from avoiding fossil fuels, a new study suggests.

www.carbonbrief.org

Not any more or less biased than you choices ......

 

[noonereal]

"Not in my backyard". It is the fear of having nuclear power plants within a person's geographic location based on unwarranted fears of radiation, nuclear waste, and nuclear power in general.

Does the “NIMBY syndrome” undermine public support for nucle

A key obstacle to nuclear energy as a decarbonization policy is the public perception of risks of radiation leaks from reactors. In particular, the “not-in-my-backyard (NIMBY)" syndrome suggests

ideas.repec.org

Fears are neither warranted or unwarranted. They are fears.

Your posts have expressed nothing but intolerance and emotional immaturity.

 

[Deuce]

By not agreeing with you? LOL

That is not how it works. I don't have to agree with you to respect your view. In fact I do respect your view. I simply want no part of nukes for the reasons I already sited.

If we all vote and you win I will not flip out. I'll respect the vote. If we all vote and you lose, it will clearly deeply disturb you.

You're calling us cultists.

 

[roguenuke]

How is it stored now .....

Is there not a way to store energy as we speak?

Of course there is ......

Most solar on an individual level seems to simply be hooked into your power system, which then means that you may be sending power back to the system from your solar panels during peak hours but then have to get power from the main system during off hours. Depending on the area, you can have a one for one ratio, so it isn't really stored, but sent to others for their use from your system with credit given (this is how the solar guy explained it when we looked at a system about a month ago).

Limitations to Solar Energy Expansion

large.stanford.edu

But the amount that your system makes is going to change from day to day. It won't be on some great scale for most, but can matter.

 

[Ikari]

How is it stored now .....

Is there not a way to store energy as we speak?

Of course there is ......

It's not really stored now, it supplements grids, so an energy grid may buy in energy if it needs to bolster peak demands, but storing energy is rather inefficient these days. The most efficient form of energy storage remains pumping water uphill. So one of the BIG problems you NEED to deal with if your proposing an all solar or wind grid is how to store the energy. There's still a lot of dollars and research flowing into energy storage, but it's not quite profitable at this point.

So as I stated, you not only need to increase the efficiency of things like solar and wind, but you need to find a way to store energy produced at peak production for when it's needed at peak consumption.

 

[noonereal]

You're calling us cultists.

The postings in this thread do ring of a fanaticism that is unhealthy.

Peace

 

[roguenuke]

Fears are neither warranted or unwarranted. They are fears.

Your posts have expressed nothing but intolerance and emotional immaturity.

Fears can be warranted or unwarranted, rational or irrational.

I have intolerance for irrational arguments that are not supported by actual facts. I have no issue admitting that nuclear power is expensive and has some potential for problems, particularly if we go off of older designs or simply don't bother to mitigate those problems. But we already have the knowledge of those potential problems and lots of ways to mitigate those. One of the biggest limitations of nuclear power is actually likely to be qualified and disciplined workers who have to maintain a good level of professional knowledge and integrity so that we don't allow things to slip.

 

[Razoo]

Several years ago Wall Street Journal put out a story that nuke plants are too expensive to build take too long to and produce very expensive electricity thus increasing the cost of just about every item on
the market. Is there a reason to knowingly increase our cost of living?

INDICATING nuke plants are a risky bad investment thus none were being scheduled for new construction. 14 plus years to construct a plant.

No one will insure a nuke power plant so guess who is the is the insurance policy?
Taxpayers.

So why the big push?

Ask an Expert: Congress Plans to Spend Billions on Dangerous, Unnecessary Nuclear Weapons

Ask an Expert: Congress Plans to Spend Billions - Union of ...​

https://blog.ucsusa.org › elliott-negin › congress-plans-t...
Ask an Expert: Congress Plans to Spend Billions on Dangerous, Unnecessary Nuclear Weapons. August 5, 2020. Congress recently approved funding to replace ...

Spending $2 trillion on new nuclear weapons is a risk to more ...​

https://www.businessinsider.com › nuclear-modernizati...
Jul 7, 2021 — The world is witnessing a new, dangerous nuclear arms race. ... another $9 billion through the late 2020s according to the Congressional ...

Biden's Disappointing First Nuclear Weapons Budget - Arms ...
https://www.armscontrol.org › issue-briefs › bidens-disa...
Jul 9, 2021 — Spending on nuclear weapons grew significantly over the past four ... and Congress largely supported in fiscal year 2021 – $44.5 billion ...

Smarter Approach to Nuclear Expenditures (SANE) Act
https://www.markey.senate.gov › news › press-releases
May 24, 2021 — Senator Markey and Rep. Blumenauer Announce Legislation to Cut $73 Billionfrom Bloated Nuclear Weapons Budget. United States slotted to spend ...

500,000,000,000 reasons to scrutinize the US plan for nuclear ...​

https://thebulletin.org › Nuclear Risk › Nuclear Weapons
May 21, 2021 — It requested $15.6 billion for the nuclear-weapon activities account, ... When nuclear-weapon spending boosters in Congress, along with the ...

 

[roguenuke]

Not any more or less biased than you choices ......

I have provided several sources from different scientific magazines and organizations, research done that supports what I've said.

 

[roguenuke]

Several years ago Wall Street Journal put out a story that nuke plants are too expensive to build take too long to and produce very expensive electricity thus increasing the cost of just about every item on
the market. Is there a reason to knowingly increase our cost of living?

So why the big push?


Ask an Expert: Congress Plans to Spend Billions on Dangerous, Unnecessary Nuclear Weapons

Ask an Expert: Congress Plans to Spend Billions - Union of ...​

https://blog.ucsusa.org › elliott-negin › congress-plans-t...
Ask an Expert: Congress Plans to Spend Billions on Dangerous, Unnecessary Nuclear Weapons. August 5, 2020. Congress recently approved funding to replace ...

Spending $2 trillion on new nuclear weapons is a risk to more ...​

https://www.businessinsider.com › nuclear-modernizati...
Jul 7, 2021 — The world is witnessing a new, dangerous nuclear arms race. ... another $9 billion through the late 2020s according to the Congressional ...

Biden's Disappointing First Nuclear Weapons Budget - Arms ...
https://www.armscontrol.org › issue-briefs › bidens-disa...
Jul 9, 2021 — Spending on nuclear weapons grew significantly over the past four ... and Congress largely supported in fiscal year 2021 – $44.5 billion ...

Smarter Approach to Nuclear Expenditures (SANE) Act
https://www.markey.senate.gov › news › press-releases
May 24, 2021 — Senator Markey and Rep. Blumenauer Announce Legislation to Cut $73 Billionfrom Bloated Nuclear Weapons Budget. United States slotted to spend ...

500,000,000,000 reasons to scrutinize the US plan for nuclear ...​

https://thebulletin.org › Nuclear Risk › Nuclear Weapons
May 21, 2021 — It requested $15.6 billion for the nuclear-weapon activities account, ... When nuclear-weapon spending boosters in Congress, along with the ...

All of these are about nuclear weapons, not nuclear power. There is a difference.