So the problem may not be the "dark Money", but the existence of so many people who are prone to be influenced by propaganda. Perhaps this is an education problem?? How do we make people rational thinkers to the point that unfit people like DJT never could have won in 2016 ??Around the world, there are places you can't talk rationally to many people about some things. North Korea, China, Russia are examples where the people are heavily propagandized and have absorbed the propaganda.
Democracies are supposed to be the antidote. This isn't a new problem - even with the primitive technologies, it existed before our country was founded, leading the founders to see the rights to freedom on information as critical.
Unfortunately, the developments of mass media, plutocracy, and dark money have combined to replace rational well-informed free views for much of America with people in bubbles of propaganda.
Polls show only 36% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of Russia; only 11% of Republicans, those especially in that bubble.
It seems to me, that is not people who are being rational. It seems it is people who are expressing dislike of Biden, not rational criticism of his handling of Russia. The poll shows they don't want the US to get heavily involved in the conflict, sending troops; that's what Biden's done. It's not clear what they would like Biden to do differently, other than wave a wand to fix it.
The cause of the dissatisfaction seems to be the heavy levels of propagandization - Biden bad, Biden bad, Biden bad, more than anything. People who will dislike Biden, who will vote against him, not for rational reasons, but in a created bubble of propaganda. And that is dangerous, when there's nothing a president could do but be approved by the propagandists. It puts the dark money, not the people, in charge.
So the problem may not be the "dark Money", but the existence of so many people who are prone to be influenced by propaganda. Perhaps this is an education problem?? How do we make people rational thinkers to the point that unfit people like DJT never could have won in 2016 ??
The greatest problems probably take very long term solutions. We are not a people who are patient enough for "long term" anything....It can have dark money as a major factor, that takes advantage of things like a lack of education. We could do a lot better if education were improved, but how likely is that?
Around the world, there are places you can't talk rationally to many people about some things. North Korea, China, Russia are examples where the people are heavily propagandized and have absorbed the propaganda.
Democracies are supposed to be the antidote. This isn't a new problem - even with the primitive technologies, it existed before our country was founded, leading the founders to see the rights to freedom on information as critical.
Unfortunately, the developments of mass media, plutocracy, and dark money have combined to replace rational well-informed free views for much of America with people in bubbles of propaganda.
Polls show only 36% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of Russia; only 11% of Republicans, those especially in that bubble.
It seems to me, that is not people who are being rational. It seems it is people who are expressing dislike of Biden, not rational criticism of his handling of Russia. The poll shows they don't want the US to get heavily involved in the conflict, sending troops; that's what Biden's done. It's not clear what they would like Biden to do differently, other than wave a wand to fix it.
The cause of the dissatisfaction seems to be the heavy levels of propagandization - Biden bad, Biden bad, Biden bad, more than anything. People who will dislike Biden, who will vote against him, not for rational reasons, but in a created bubble of propaganda. And that is dangerous, when there's nothing a president could do but be approved by the propagandists. It puts the dark money, not the people, in charge.
64%What percentage of Democrats said they approved?
Some countries regulate the manipulation industries. Practitioners are licensed and forbidden to use some techniques.So the problem may not be the "dark Money", but the existence of so many people who are prone to be influenced by propaganda. Perhaps this is an education problem?? How do we make people rational thinkers to the point that unfit people like DJT never could have won in 2016 ??
Do you think that number reflects the baseline for approval and isn’t influenced by political allegiance?
Somebody could make an app that scans content for manipulative content. It is designed, so can be identified. And doing so shouldn’t run into first amendment issues.It can have dark money as a major factor, that takes advantage of things like a lack of education. We could do a lot better if education were improved, but how likely is that?
No, Democrats are not completely unaffected by the political discussion in the country which is affected by the propaganda. It's not just a direct affect, but indirect - people talk to people, media reacts to people and so on.Do you think that number reflects the baseline for approval and isn’t influenced by political allegiance?
Just look at the laws the red states are passing regarding education. They are doing their best to dumb the kids down.It can have dark money as a major factor, that takes advantage of things like a lack of education. We could do a lot better if education were improved, but how likely is that?
So an outsized number of Republicans who disapprove is because of propaganda, but an outsized number of Democrats who approve is just politics?No, Democrats are not completely unaffected by the political discussion in the country which is affected by the propaganda. It's not just a direct affect, but indirect - people talk to people, media reacts to people and so on.
Sorry, I'm not seeing rationality or good faith in your comments. I'm seeing trollish partisanship trying to deflect. You're not actually responding to the topic - you have no comment on the problem of people who are 'against' something irratoinally without any alternative they're for.So an outsized number of Republicans who disapprove is because of propaganda, but an outsized number of Democrats who approve is just politics?
Around the world, there are places you can't talk rationally to many people about some things. North Korea, China, Russia are examples where the people are heavily propagandized and have absorbed the propaganda.
Democracies are supposed to be the antidote. This isn't a new problem - even with the primitive technologies, it existed before our country was founded, leading the founders to see the rights to freedom on information as critical.
Unfortunately, the developments of mass media, plutocracy, and dark money have combined to replace rational well-informed free views for much of America with people in bubbles of propaganda.
Polls show only 36% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of Russia; only 11% of Republicans, those especially in that bubble.
It seems to me, that is not people who are being rational. It seems it is people who are expressing dislike of Biden, not rational criticism of his handling of Russia. The poll shows they don't want the US to get heavily involved in the conflict, sending troops; that's what Biden's done. It's not clear what they would like Biden to do differently, other than wave a wand to fix it.
The cause of the dissatisfaction seems to be the heavy levels of propagandization - Biden bad, Biden bad, Biden bad, more than anything. People who will dislike Biden, who will vote against him, not for rational reasons, but in a created bubble of propaganda. And that is dangerous, when there's nothing a president could do but be approved by the propagandists. It puts the dark money, not the people, in charge.
Nice post , and understood. However, education can dull it's effectsSome countries regulate the manipulation industries. Practitioners are licensed and forbidden to use some techniques.
Manipulation below the level of cognition, cynically designed to cause the audience to misapprehend the issue at hand is multiple multi billion dollar industries in this country. You can get more than one degree in the subject.
Does anybody believe the Founders would have perfectly protected this technology in the first amendment had they foreseen it being the primary tool used to establish and maintain every modern tyranny?
Around the world, there are places you can't talk rationally to many people about some things. North Korea, China, Russia are examples where the people are heavily propagandized and have absorbed the propaganda.
Democracies are supposed to be the antidote. This isn't a new problem - even with the primitive technologies, it existed before our country was founded, leading the founders to see the rights to freedom on information as critical.
Unfortunately, the developments of mass media, plutocracy, and dark money have combined to replace rational well-informed free views for much of America with people in bubbles of propaganda.
Polls show only 36% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of Russia; only 11% of Republicans, those especially in that bubble.
It seems to me, that is not people who are being rational. It seems it is people who are expressing dislike of Biden, not rational criticism of his handling of Russia. The poll shows they don't want the US to get heavily involved in the conflict, sending troops; that's what Biden's done. It's not clear what they would like Biden to do differently, other than wave a wand to fix it.
The cause of the dissatisfaction seems to be the heavy levels of propagandization - Biden bad, Biden bad, Biden bad, more than anything. People who will dislike Biden, who will vote against him, not for rational reasons, but in a created bubble of propaganda. And that is dangerous, when there's nothing a president could do but be approved by the propagandists. It puts the dark money, not the people, in charge.
It's a perfectly reasonable question. One side predictably gives a low rating and the other side predictably gives a high rating. Yet for one side your thesis is they are brainwashed but the other side is just....what? What do you way of that side's response?Sorry, I'm not seeing rationality or good faith in your comments. I'm seeing trollish partisanship trying to deflect. You're not actually responding to the topic - you have no comment on the problem of people who are 'against' something irratoinally without any alternative they're for.
It does. The left is manipulated too, but it’s more difficult because the left tends to be better educated so know things. So our propagandists can’t just say anything they want about anything, because if your narrative includes factual misinformation that we happen to know is false we will reject the whole narrative. Much easier to do to the ignorant.Nice post , and understood. However, education can dull it's effects
Hitler would be proud of the US today.......sure it's propaganda.....it's the advent of the internet and social media and every man is now a media......it's always been with us, this clannish hate.....but in the 60's we Americans managed to put it in its place.....and then along came Reagan and Falwell and Limbaugh and Murdoch......Biden is hated because he is a liberal potus plain and simple......what he has done with Putin is about the only sane adult things he could do......you can bet your last dollar if he had sent our armies immediately into the Ukraine the right would be hating him for that.......bottom line.....we are a nation of foolsAround the world, there are places you can't talk rationally to many people about some things. North Korea, China, Russia are examples where the people are heavily propagandized and have absorbed the propaganda.
Democracies are supposed to be the antidote. This isn't a new problem - even with the primitive technologies, it existed before our country was founded, leading the founders to see the rights to freedom on information as critical.
Unfortunately, the developments of mass media, plutocracy, and dark money have combined to replace rational well-informed free views for much of America with people in bubbles of propaganda.
Polls show only 36% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of Russia; only 11% of Republicans, those especially in that bubble.
It seems to me, that is not people who are being rational. It seems it is people who are expressing dislike of Biden, not rational criticism of his handling of Russia. The poll shows they don't want the US to get heavily involved in the conflict, sending troops; that's what Biden's done. It's not clear what they would like Biden to do differently, other than wave a wand to fix it.
The cause of the dissatisfaction seems to be the heavy levels of propagandization - Biden bad, Biden bad, Biden bad, more than anything. People who will dislike Biden, who will vote against him, not for rational reasons, but in a created bubble of propaganda. And that is dangerous, when there's nothing a president could do but be approved by the propagandists. It puts the dark money, not the people, in charge.
Don't forget unlimited money in politics per Buckley v Valeo that lies at the fetid heart of it all; it's less the simple existence of such and more the sheer, uncontrolled quantity.Around the world, there are places you can't talk rationally to many people about some things. North Korea, China, Russia are examples where the people are heavily propagandized and have absorbed the propaganda.
Democracies are supposed to be the antidote. This isn't a new problem - even with the primitive technologies, it existed before our country was founded, leading the founders to see the rights to freedom on information as critical.
Unfortunately, the developments of mass media, plutocracy, and dark money have combined to replace rational well-informed free views for much of America with people in bubbles of propaganda.
Polls show only 36% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of Russia; only 11% of Republicans, those especially in that bubble.
It seems to me, that is not people who are being rational. It seems it is people who are expressing dislike of Biden, not rational criticism of his handling of Russia. The poll shows they don't want the US to get heavily involved in the conflict, sending troops; that's what Biden's done. It's not clear what they would like Biden to do differently, other than wave a wand to fix it.
The cause of the dissatisfaction seems to be the heavy levels of propagandization - Biden bad, Biden bad, Biden bad, more than anything. People who will dislike Biden, who will vote against him, not for rational reasons, but in a created bubble of propaganda. And that is dangerous, when there's nothing a president could do but be approved by the propagandists. It puts the dark money, not the people, in charge.
64% isn't exactly high. If it were 89%, corresponding to the Republicans' 11%, you might have a point.It's a perfectly reasonable question. One side predictably gives a low rating and the other side predictably gives a high rating. Yet for one side your thesis is they are brainwashed but the other side is just....what? What do you way of that side's response?
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