I refuse to vote for Mitt Romney

[Conservative]

That is a complete 180 reversal of opinion for you is it not? What made you change your mind and come out now with this startling revelation?

LOL, what startling revelation? I have no use for Obama as President, very nice man it seems but totally incompetent. Tells you what you want to hear but the results tell another story.

 

[GreenvilleGrows]

Out with the "O" and in with the Newt!

 

[presluc]

Doesn't it bother you that there are so many worried about how much revenue is going to the govt. instead of worrying about how that money is spent? How much income taxes do you believe the unemployed and under employed are paying? In November that number was 24 million. Imagine what the revenue would be if those people were working.

Imagine if there were 24 million with jobs paying taxes and buying American products and investing in American companies.

As far as government spending who do they spend it on ?
After the unemployment, the poor and working poor,
What do you have, private defence contracts, medicare and medicade paying private insurance companies, private companies for disaster releif, private companies for substities paid by the government for housing, government reserch grants given to private corporations, not counting bailouts and tax loopholes.

What do the American workers want a job seems fair.
What do the rich and rich corporations want, more and more.
In a capitalist nation that runs on money, tax money, sales money and money in circulation from the masses of American people when the American people have less jobs this is an illogical policy.eace

 

[Conservative]

Imagine if there were 24 million with jobs paying taxes and buying American products and investing in American companies.

As far as government spending who do they spend it on ?
After the unemployment, the poor and working poor,
What do you have, private defence contracts, medicare and medicade paying private insurance companies, private companies for disaster releif, private companies for substities paid by the government for housing, government reserch grants given to private corporations, not counting bailouts and tax loopholes.

What do the American workers want a job seems fair.
What do the rich and rich corporations want, more and more.
In a capitalist nation that runs on money, tax money, sales money and money in circulation from the masses of American people when the American people have less jobs this is an illogical policy.eace

What a biased post on your part that is totally representative of the liberal mindset today in that you seem to believe that economic pie is fixed when it isn't at least with a pro growth economic policy. Where does personal responsibility rest in your world. You want to get a part of that pie, work for it. You want to become part of that rich class, work for it. How does any rich person make you poorer? What makes people poorer is lack of initiative and drive along with that entitlement mentality. You don't owe me a dime nor do I owe you anything. You are entitled to an equal opportunity and that is what you get in this country. if you don't take advantage of that opportunity then you have no one to blame but yourself. I am living proof that the capitalistic system works. I learned personal responsibility, rose from a lower middle class family and am now part of that class you hate all because of jealousy. No one gave me anything other than an opportunity. I took it, worked hard and succeeded. What is your excuse for not doing it?

 

[poweRob]

Rob, I would swear you are my RLfriend but your RL name is Ben... And you are nearly 60 years old. Ok maybe not, but about the only difference between you and him is that he is still too much a believer in the 2 party system. Doesn't like what Obama has done or the dems but still believes if we keep electing them they will come around. I used to be the same way with the GOP.

Time to gut these monsters, they just consume, and we get what comes out the other end. You and I will never agree on how to get from point A to point B, but I am fairly certain that our point B is the same, or damn near anyway. I believe as you do that if people start voting for the candidate whom they feel is best rather than the party, and vote their conscience and on their beliefs, we can make a solid difference. Call them spoilers if you wish (not you just in general) but WE THE PEOPLE still need to have our voice heard while we still have the power. Many countries had people with a voice that could make a difference and lost that power because they went down this path. WE THE PEOPLE still have the abillity to correct our government that is of the people, for the people, by the people.

Check this story out. It's worth the read about how Nader says he really likes Paul even though they have significant differences but the modern conservatives and corporatists try to make you focus on the differences rather than the major major similarities between the left and the libertarians.

Ralph Nader’s Grand Alliance

“Look at the latitude,” Nader says, referring to the potential for cooperation between libertarians and the left. “Military budget, foreign wars, empire, Patriot Act, corporate welfare—for starters. When you add those all up, that’s a foundational convergence. Progressives should do so good.”

“Exactly,” Nader says. “Libertarians like Ron Paul are on our side on civil liberties. They’re on our side against the military-industrial complex. They’re on our side against Wall Street. They’re on our side for investor rights. That’s a foundational convergence,” he exhorts. “It’s not just itty-bitty stuff.”

Nader cites opposition to “the self-defeating, boomeranging drug war” as another source of common ground, in the face of both parties’ indifference—with the scant exceptions of a few House Democrats who favor decriminalizing marijuana—to drug prohibition’s many ills. Ron Paul’s rejection of the very notion that personal drug use should be a criminal offense is something that has resonated with younger supporters, often catalyzing their first moment of political consciousness.

“This is one place where conservatives and liberals can get together,” Paul tells me. “Because it’s sort of a nullification approach—a states’ rights approach.” California attempted to legalize marijuana outright via ballot initiative “because they have millions and millions of people who are using it, yet the federal government’s position—Obama’s position—is still to go after people even if it’s being used for medicinal reasons, and putting sick people in jail.”​

The reason why you and I have converged on our politics has less to do with the policies we hold dear which we will most definitely disagree on, but the systemic malfunction going on. That we can agree on for sure. Instead, we are told nonstop to focus on the policy differences. Especially the real red meat stuff like abortion, global warming... real head turning garbage that doesn't really mean so much when the system itself is falling apart to do anything about any of those things.

When you get them having you focus on abortion and global warming you don't ask much questions about stuff like how congressmen go in to government with x amount of money and leave with x to the 20th power when they leave... well above their straight wages would entertain. link...

We are being divided and conquered.

 

[presluc]

Had it not been for his murder you would not remember him.

Odd the thing I remember most about Kennedy was is inaugrial speech.
For indeed the torch had been passed to a new differant generation, and a lot of changes in the 60's proved that.eace

 

[poweRob]

I think you guys do not understand what I am saying.

If Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee, he will lose big in the general election because true conservatives will stay home next November.

True. The dems suffered this in the mid-western and southern states. There used to be blue-dog democrats but why the F would people vote for a partial republican when they can get a full-blooded republican. If you don't show the public a significant difference between you and the other, expect to lose to the one with the more genuine branding to win.

Of all the big dem losses in that last election... it pretty much obliterated the blue dog democrats into extinction.

 

[Conservative]

Odd the thing I remember most about Kennedy was is inaugrial speech.
For indeed the torch had been passed to a new differant generation, and a lot of changes in the 60's proved that.eace

What part of that speech do you remember and how does it apply today? "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?" Do you see any of that in today's Democratic Party? I see a lot of people with that entitlement mentality asking what the country can do for them.

 

[presluc]

What a biased post on your part that is totally representative of the liberal mindset today in that you seem to believe that economic pie is fixed when it isn't at least with a pro growth economic policy. Where does personal responsibility rest in your world. You want to get a part of that pie, work for it. You want to become part of that rich class, work for it. How does any rich person make you poorer? What makes people poorer is lack of initiative and drive along with that entitlement mentality. You don't owe me a dime nor do I owe you anything. You are entitled to an equal opportunity and that is what you get in this country. if you don't take advantage of that opportunity then you have no one to blame but yourself. I am living proof that the capitalistic system works. I learned personal responsibility, rose from a lower middle class family and am now part of that class you hate all because of jealousy. No one gave me anything other than an opportunity. I took it, worked hard and succeeded. What is your excuse for not doing it?

There is no jealousy here nor I would wager in the ranks of the unemployed.

Most average people just want a job to pay taxes, to pay their way and to live comfortable.
Not rich, no mansions, no limos just an average home with average funiture and an car maybe 5 to 10 years old.

As for the rich who often brag about hard work getting you a financoially stable?
I ask a question if hard work got them there they had to have a job.
If they had a job, I must assume jobs were available.
If they came up the hard way through finding a job that's great ok by me but intodays labor force could they have acheived the same goal competeing with 24 million workers that want a job starting from the bottom.

To those that inheirted their wealth , to them it's just a chance of fate born on the easy side.
To them without their wealth they wouldn't last a month on the streets of America.

If you have 24 millilon workers with a paycheck which taxes are taken out automaticly by the way . leaving 24 million American workers with a minumum of 50 million dollars to spend on houses, cars, funiture electronics, investments.
Tell me how this economic plan of creating more jobs is bad???eace

 

[Conservative]

There is no jealousy here nor I would wager in the ranks of the unemployed.

Most average people just want a job to pay taxes, to pay their way and to live comfortable.
Not rich, no mansions, no limos just an average home with average funiture and an car maybe 5 to 10 years old.

As for the rich who often brag about hard work getting you a financoially stable?
I ask a question if hard work got them there they had to have a job.
If they had a job, I must assume jobs were available.
If they came up the hard way through finding a job that's great ok by me but intodays labor force could they have acheived the same goal competeing with 24 million workers that want a job starting from the bottom.

To those that inheirted their wealth , to them it's just a chance of fate born on the easy side.
To them without their wealth they wouldn't last a month on the streets of America.

If you have 24 millilon workers with a paycheck which taxes are taken out automaticly by the way . leaving 24 million American workers with a minumum of 50 million dollars to spend on houses, cars, funiture electronics, investments.
Tell me how this economic plan of creating more jobs is bad???eace

The Obama economic plan isn't creating jobs, it is creating dependency and more of it. Obama is doing more to discourage job creation than any other President in history however what kind of job did Bill Gates have, or about Mark Zuckerberg, Heny Ford? You think that they inherited their wealth? All I see from the left are whiners who claim they are experts on everyone else. Reality is the liberal elites use people like you to keep others dependent.

There is nothing preventing you from being the next Bill Gates except your attitude. You want a job, start at the bottom and work your way up. Too many jobs are seen as beneath the individual. I started at the bottom and it took me time but I was successful. Removing incentive discourages job creation and that is what the left is doing today.

 

[presluc]

What part of that speech do you remember and how does it apply today? "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?" Do you see any of that in today's Democratic Party? I see a lot of people with that entitlement mentality asking what the country can do for them.

I think you misundertood President Kenndy's speech when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.".
He wasn't only talking to the unemployed and the poor, but ALL AMERICANS THE RICH AND RICH CORPORATIONS AS WELL.
President Kenndey was talking about what ALL AMERICANS can do for AMERICA , not cheap foreign labor ., nor bailout private corporations because their profits drop.eace

 

[randel]

Randel, we need a REAL Republican in the White House.

Romney is a RINO.

hey johnny....i'm of the opinion that the republicans need to spend 20-30 yrs in the political wilderness...there is not one candidate in the bunch i could honestly say i could vote for....

 

[Conservative]

I think you misundertood President Kenndy's speech when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.".
He wasn't only talking to the unemployed and the poor, but ALL AMERICANS THE RICH AND RICH CORPORATIONS AS WELL.
President Kenndey was talking about what ALL AMERICANS can do for AMERICA , not cheap foreign labor ., nor bailout private corporations because their profits drop.eace

Don't think I misunderstood Kennedy at all as I grew up a Kennedy Democrat. Seems like the Democrats of today misunderstood what Kennedy stated. Too many people today are looking for THE job instead of A job when A job is better than NO job. Too many have that entitlement mentality that believe they are too good for A job and thus have no problem being dependent on others as they wait for THE job.

 

[randel]

Any GOP Candidate would be better than what we have now which is an incompetent President

translation, as long as there is an (R) next to the name, you will vote for them.....not exactly shocking news con...

 

[Henrin]

I think you misundertood President Kenndy's speech when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.".
He wasn't only talking to the unemployed and the poor, but ALL AMERICANS THE RICH AND RICH CORPORATIONS AS WELL.
President Kenndey was talking about what ALL AMERICANS can do for AMERICA , not cheap foreign labor ., nor bailout private corporations because their profits drop.eace

You my friend are the person that doesn't understand that speech. That speech was exposed years ago..

"In a much quoted passage in his inaugural address, President Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic "what your country can do for you" implies that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view that is at odds with the free man's belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, "what you can do for your 'country" implies the government is the master or the deity, the citizen, the servant or the votary.
To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served. He recognizes no national goal except as it is the consensus of the goals that the citizens severally serve. He recognizes no national purpose except as it is the consensus of the purposes for which the citizens severally strive.

The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather "What can I and my compatriots do through government" to help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our freedom? And he will accompany this question with another: How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedom we establish it to protect?

 

[randel]

The Obama economic plan isn't creating jobs, it is creating dependency and more of it. Obama is doing more to discourage job creation than any other President in history however what kind of job did Bill Gates have, or about Mark Zuckerberg, Heny Ford? You think that they inherited their wealth? All I see from the left are whiners who claim they are experts on everyone else. Reality is the liberal elites use people like you to keep others dependent.

There is nothing preventing you from being the next Bill Gates except your attitude. You want a job, start at the bottom and work your way up. Too many jobs are seen as beneath the individual. I started at the bottom and it took me time but I was successful. Removing incentive discourages job creation and that is what the left is doing today.

seems we have been creating jobs now for going on 2 years now, so, you are in error.

 

[presluc]

The Obama economic plan isn't creating jobs, it is creating dependency and more of it. Obama is doing more to discourage job creation than any other President in history however what kind of job did Bill Gates have, or about Mark Zuckerberg, Heny Ford? You think that they inherited their wealth? All I see from the left are whiners who claim they are experts on everyone else. Reality is the liberal elites use people like you to keep others dependent.

There is nothing preventing you from being the next Bill Gates except your attitude. You want a job, start at the bottom and work your way up. Too many jobs are seen as beneath the individual. I started at the bottom and it took me time but I was successful. Removing incentive discourages job creation and that is what the left is doing today.

As I have said before if you are looking for a partisin debate you are looking at the wrong poster.

Obama and the LEFT WING party are too weak to stand against anything , so they whine about the right and say they blame the right wing for everything that goes wrong in America
The RIGHT WING party are confused they bitch about too much government but support big business and corporations who get's most of their reserch grants and subsidies from the government.
If a politician speaks against any protestant church the cry goes out "SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE"
HOWEVER WHEN CHURCHES SPEAK OUT AGAINST POLITICAL CANDIDATES , WELL THAT'S A DIFFERANT STORY.
Or is it? Is seperation of church and state a permanent objective or is it to be kept in a box only to be used at political elections and special political dicissions???

Both political parties the left and the right has brought America to the economic state she is in today.

As far as those right wingers who say it is all the governments fault, I would ask a question.
Where do the republican politicians and the Democratic politicians spend their time??
Is it not true that the government right wingers whine and bitch about are made up of both right wing Republicans, and left wing Democrats.
As an Independent am I to beleive that all government pork spending is done only by the left ??
As an Independent voter am I to beleive that the left wing has made all decisions concerning spending in America.
If this were true, indeed I would have to say the right wing Republican party is either lazy or weak.eace

 

[presluc]

Don't think I misunderstood Kennedy at all as I grew up a Kennedy Democrat. Seems like the Democrats of today misunderstood what Kennedy stated. Too many people today are looking for THE job instead of A job when A job is better than NO job. Too many have that entitlement mentality that believe they are too good for A job and thus have no problem being dependent on others as they wait for THE job.

When manufacturing got out sourced that was a lot of jobs.

When you have 100,000 people and 50 000 jobs you will have a problem unless the jobs of manufacturing are replaced with other 7unskilled labor.

When you are looking at the last of your unemployment benifits , you don't look for THE job you look for a job maybe two..eace

 

[Conservative]

seems we have been creating jobs now for going on 2 years now, so, you are in error.

No one has said jobs haven't been created, what is being said is we have a net job loss. Do you know what net means? Ask your union steward and see if he knows. Amazing, isn't it, Obama has done such a great job that we have fewer people in the labor force today than when he took office and fewer in November than in October 2011. Yes, liberals always ignore facts and buy the rhetoric.

 

[Conservative]

When manufacturing got out sourced that was a lot of jobs.

When you have 100,000 people and 50 000 jobs you will have a problem unless the jobs of manufacturing are replaced with other 7unskilled labor.

When you are looking at the last of your unemployment benifits , you don't look for THE job you look for a job maybe two..eace

This is an ever changing economy. New industries always are created in a capitalistic economy. When you have long term unemployed like we have because they are looking for THE job instead of A job it is going to be a real problem. Imagine going to an interview and being asked what you have done for the last two years and you are forced to say I have been collecting unemployment? Unemployment benefits have been extended for over two years so don't give me this that a motivated person cannot find a job in two years.

Those OWS idiots don't want jobs, they are professional malcontents.

 

[TurtleDude]

Randel, we need a REAL Republican in the White House.

Romney is a RINO.

the last thing the Unionistas want is a real republican
But Romney will upset the unionistas while Obama will keep them happy.

 

[haymarket]

What part of that speech do you remember and how does it apply today? "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?" Do you see any of that in today's Democratic Party? I see a lot of people with that entitlement mentality asking what the country can do for them.

What I see every single day here is one right winger after another screaming and whining about needing more tax cuts for themselves and that and that alone is their basis for tax policy.The right has elevated personal selfishness to an ersatz ideology akin to modern religion.

They care no more about helping their country than a common hooker cares about your emotional health.

 

[TurtleDude]

What I see every single day here is one right winger after another screaming and whining about needing more tax cuts for themselves and that and that alone is their basis for tax policy.The right has elevated personal selfishness to an ersatz ideology akin to modern religion.

They care no more about helping their country than a common hooker cares about your emotional health.

Lets see if we understand the logic

If you pay too much taxes you are selfish for wanting to pay less but if you don't pay enough taxes you aren't selfish for demanding others pay more.

Lefties don't care about the country and their agenda is far more harmful for the country Lets assume the right really does want a sink or swim type society. That might be hard on the people unable to care for themselves without government help but that is hardly deleterious to society as a whole. On the other hand, the dumbing down of America and the increase of dependency might help the people (in the short run) the Dems pander to but that doesn't help America as a whole

 

[MadLib]

Lets see if we understand the logic

If you pay too much taxes you are selfish for wanting to pay less but if you don't pay enough taxes you aren't selfish for demanding others pay more.

Not don't, can't. There's a difference.

Lefties don't care about the country and their agenda is far more harmful for the country Lets assume the right really does want a sink or swim type society. That might be hard on the people unable to care for themselves without government help but that is hardly deleterious to society as a whole. On the other hand, the dumbing down of America and the increase of dependency might help the people (in the short run) the Dems pander to but that doesn't help America as a whole

Why not?

 

[haymarket]

Lets see if we understand the logic

If you pay too much taxes you are selfish for wanting to pay less but if you don't pay enough taxes you aren't selfish for demanding others pay more.

No. You don't understand at all.

The point is a clear one. The tax policy of the United States of America and its over 300 million persons should not be decided what ever tax scheme of the moment gives one a tax cut.