I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms.

[maquiscat]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I can see why transgenderism is repulsive. Because it is revolting.

You understand that these are subjective values, and not universal, yes?

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Redundant much? You said transgenderism is repulsive because it's revolting. That's basically saying the same thing and it is subjective.

At least you recognize that Target unlike a lot of stores, including a lot that have the same policy as Target, has a family restroom in many locations. The only difference is that target just recently publicly announced their policy during a time when awareness and tension over this issue is high.

I view Target as being exemplary. I suspect they have set the standard which all companies that cater to the public will need to follow. I have read that a lot of people have given them sh!t for it. But I believe they are following a wise course.

Repulsive means repelling, driving away.

Revolting means causing vomiting -- a visceral autonomic response.

Cause and effect for the keen vocabularian. Hope that helps.

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I posted Richards' words and quotes directly. You ignored them as you do everything that destroys your invalid agenda. The quotes that you posted did NOT say what you want them to say. You lied as you always do. Live with it.

No wonder you claim 90% satisfaction rates.

Surveyor: Any regrets with the surgery?

Richards: "...if you're a 45-year-old man and you're an airline pilot and you have an ex-wife and three adolescent kids, you better get on Thorazine or Zoloft or Prozac or get locked up or do whatever it takes to keep you from being allowed to do something like this.''

Surveyor: Uh-huh. Anything else you wish to add?

Richards: "As far as being fulfilled as a woman, I'm not as fulfilled as I dreamed of being. I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation...and I discourage them all."

CC and Company: He didn't mention regret. Add him to the list of Satisfied customers.

:roll:

You need to go work for Kim Jung and them. You'd be good at it.

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

You understand that these are subjective values, and not universal, yes?

Do you subscribe to Protagoras' Sophist philosophy then? Your question is quite loaded.

He would tell you there are no universals. Of course he would be lying. Death is universal. He found that out at the hands of the Athenians.

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

CC used the more recent interview. She said specifically that she said what she did then but still doesn't regret the surgery. She may have come to regret pushing some transgender to drug therapy by now, who knows. But that doesn't change the fact that one pretty conservative person regretting that there wasn't another way to alleviate their feelings (which likely are more complicated than even a few interviews can express), is not evidence that most people regret SRS. There is no evidence of any sort of extensive regret of this surgery, including long term. Those who think there is extensive regret are free to do their own research.

Yeah, after being bashed by the gay agenda police, Richards softened his tone. Imagine that, :roll:

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Post 692, calamity. Keep lying. It's all you have.

Btw, calamity, I'm waiting for you to refute, methodologically, any of the research that I posted. You and I both know that you are incapable of doing so, but I figured it would be amusing to continue to point out your dishonesty and inability to support your position.

Your methodology is on display here. Deny facts, turn on the spin cycle.

 

[maquiscat]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Your methodology is on display here. Deny facts, turn on the spin cycle.

Yes, we understand your tactics, which also includes accusing others of what you are doing.

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Yes, we understand your tactics, which also includes accusing others of what you are doing.

I quoted Richards' regrets. CC spun it as "She has no regrets."

So, it's pretty obvious where the 90% satisfaction stats come from and how they are achieved.

You can eat all of CC's lies you want. I hope they taste good to you. But, don't try selling me on them.

 

[maquiscat]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I quoted Richards' regrets. CC spun it as "She has no regrets."

So, it's pretty obvious where the 90% satisfaction stats come from and how they are achieved.

You can eat all of CC's lies you want. I hope they taste good to you. But, don't try selling me on them.

And there is your spin. He clearly said, and quoted the woman, that she did not regret the surgery.

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I think after however many years the GOP subjected the USA to Mary Matlin, that SPIN is now an addiction for practically everybody.

They actually think SPIN is "logical".

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

And there is your spin. He clearly said, and quoted the woman, that she did not regret the surgery.

And I clearly quoted her several times saying she would not recommend it to anyone else. In fact, once she even went so far as to say, "you better get on Thorazine or Zoloft or Prozac or get locked up or do whatever it takes to keep you from being allowed to do something like this.''

That, my dear sir, is regret.

But, like I said. I can clearly see exactly how you guys manage to get your 90% satisfaction rates. :lol:

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I think after however many years the GOP subjected the USA to Mary Matlin, that SPIN is now an addiction for practically everybody.

They actually think SPIN is "logical".

Spin:

Surveyor: Any regrets with the surgery?

Richards: "...if you're a 45-year-old man and you're an airline pilot and you have an ex-wife and three adolescent kids, you better get on Thorazine or Zoloft or Prozac or get locked up or do whatever it takes to keep you from being allowed to do something like this.''

Surveyor: Uh-huh. Anything else you wish to add?

Richards: "As far as being fulfilled as a woman, I'm not as fulfilled as I dreamed of being. I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation...and I discourage them all."

CC and his spin factory: He didn't mention regret. Add him to the list of Satisfied Customers. Oh look---there is a 90% satisfaction rate.
...

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I view Target as being exemplary. I suspect they have set the standard which all companies that cater to the public will need to follow. I have read that a lot of people have given them sh!t for it. But I believe they are following a wise course.

Repulsive means repelling, driving away.

Revolting means causing vomiting -- a visceral autonomic response.

Cause and effect for the keen vocabularian. Hope that helps.

If Target is just now implementing this policy, then they are behind other companies by years.

They are still subjective. And they are still both based on personal bias and issues with the person finding them revolting or repulsive to begin with.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

And I clearly quoted her several times saying she would not recommend it to anyone else. In fact, once she even went so far as to say, "you better get on Thorazine or Zoloft or Prozac or get locked up or do whatever it takes to keep you from being allowed to do something like this.''

That, my dear sir, is regret.

But, like I said. I can clearly see exactly how you guys manage to get your 90% satisfaction rates. :lol:

And just because she wouldn't recommend it to others doesn't mean others shouldn't do it. She is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrists. She certainly shouldn't be telling people to get on antidepressants or other mood altering drugs just because she thinks those drugs will help. She doesn't know.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Yeah, after being bashed by the gay agenda police, Richards softened his tone. Imagine that, :roll:

And you complain about people speaking from biased positions.

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

And just because she wouldn't recommend it to others doesn't mean others shouldn't do it. She is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrists. She certainly shouldn't be telling people to get on antidepressants or other mood altering drugs just because she thinks those drugs will help. She doesn't know.

Not the point. Point was she has regrets. Clearly, her words are those of someone with regrets.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Not the point. Point was she has regrets. Clearly, her words are those of someone with regrets.

Almost everyone has some regrets in their lives, many have regrets for many things they do, even if they think they did the right thing overall. I regret things I did in the Navy, and sometimes I regret joining the Navy, or reenlisting at the times I did. Yet other times I'm very proud to be in the military and think I made a good choice in that. You can have regrets for many things, big and small in your life. Some come and go, some stay, but others may not regret the same or similar decisions to yours.

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Almost everyone has some regrets in their lives, many have regrets for many things they do, even if they think they did the right thing overall. I regret things I did in the Navy, and sometimes I regret joining the Navy, or reenlisting at the times I did. Yet other times I'm very proud to be in the military and think I made a good choice in that. You can have regrets for many things, big and small in your life. Some come and go, some stay, but others may not regret the same or similar decisions to yours.

I actually wish I had joined the Navy instead.

We have a song about that too:

"G/I beans and G/I gravy,
Gee I wish I'd joined the Navy,
Four square meals served every day,
While the fleet then sails away,
Left o' right o' lay-eft!"

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Almost everyone has some regrets in their lives, many have regrets for many things they do, even if they think they did the right thing overall. I regret things I did in the Navy, and sometimes I regret joining the Navy, or reenlisting at the times I did. Yet other times I'm very proud to be in the military and think I made a good choice in that. You can have regrets for many things, big and small in your life. Some come and go, some stay, but others may not regret the same or similar decisions to yours.

You should see MY list.

It would give you a heat attack!

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Almost everyone has some regrets in their lives, many have regrets for many things they do, even if they think they did the right thing overall. I regret things I did in the Navy, and sometimes I regret joining the Navy, or reenlisting at the times I did. Yet other times I'm very proud to be in the military and think I made a good choice in that. You can have regrets for many things, big and small in your life. Some come and go, some stay, but others may not regret the same or similar decisions to yours.

NO. Apparently 90% of people who get SRS have no regrets at all. Just ask CC.

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Prove it. Plenty of places have had in place policies that allow men to basically dress vaguely as women and use the women's restroom, some for a decade or more.

It isn't the law that keeps these things from happening, it is the nature of the place that is in question. It is public. Most parents take their child to the restroom with them (hence the rise in family restrooms), and girls tend to go to the restroom in groups.

My sister in DC won't let anybody.

At our last family get together she told us the story of the guy who came to interview with her law firm dressed like a female.

Just thought I would mention that.

Point of order.

But don't mind me ... go on debating.

I am trying to figure out who the "she" is with the meds.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

NO. Apparently 90% of people who get SRS have no regrets at all. Just ask CC.

So? There are plenty of people who don't regret many of their choices while plenty others do. But in reality that isn't even what he said. They don't regret the surgery, which is just one part of the situation, which has many, many parts. Life is not black and white, yet you constantly try to make it fit into black or white perspectives.

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

So? There are plenty of people who don't regret many of their choices while plenty others do. But in reality that isn't even what he said. They don't regret the surgery, which is just one part of the situation, which has many, many parts. Life is not black and white, yet you constantly try to make it fit into black or white perspectives.

Anecdotally I only know one person who got the SRS (sex reconstruction surgery) and he was happy with his new life, changed his name, kept practicing as a physician, specialized in altered people (MTF, FTM, HTM, HTF).

 

[Riveroaks]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

If Target is just now implementing this policy, then they are behind other companies by years.

They are still subjective. And they are still both based on personal bias and issues with the person finding them revolting or repulsive to begin with.

It's just a visceral involuntary response.

BTW I just checked your bio.

My god you are beautiful!

Hope your sons are well.

Thank you for your service Sailor.

Anchors Aweigh.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Anecdotally I only know one person who got the SRS (sex reconstruction surgery) and he was happy with his new life, changed his name, kept practicing as a physician, specialized in altered people (MTF, FTM, HTM, HTF).

I knew one that has gone through the surgery (I think anyway, at the least she has been on hormone therapy and legally changed everything). She seemed very happy with her life and it was difficult to tell she was once a he. She worked with my sister.