I Had to Respond to an EMail

[Cosmo]

I'm sure you do, but what you have yet to do is explain why it would make sense.


It's less outrage and more calling out the stupidity of what Musk is doing, and mainly because of the reasons he's given explaining the reason he's asking for people to do this. Is it easy for employees to do? Sure. Does it make sense? Not so much. I mean, the CEO of a company could ask all of his employees to write limericks about pie every day. How much sense do you think that would make?

Yeah just a 200+-post thread about someone who had to reply to an email. No outrage at all!

 

[Cosmo]

Do you understand that "the boss" making clear he is cutting staff and requiring bullet point justification for yours is not the same as routinely being asked to fill a timesheet? Especially when "the boss" knows nothing about the agency?

I understand some people like to quibble over minutiae to justify lazy, entitled government employees.

 

[Cosmo]

Everybody does....

From "no boss I ever had" to "everybody..."

I Had to Respond to an EMail

Why do so many people apparently find it "demeaning" to report on what they did? Pretty much every desk job I've ever had I've had to report on every minute I was at work. 30 minutes doing this, 1.5 hours doing that, etc... I've only ever worked in the private sector. The question is how much...

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Liberals will take either ridiculous, extreme position to get their way.

That is the point here. You not seeing the problem with this is troubling. Do you think supervisors don't make the employees accountable?

Then it ought to be pretty easy for these guys to copy and paste 5 rows from their time sheet.

If that is the case, then fire the supervisors.

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

It is really stupid to think Hegseth or Musk can mirco manage an entire department of every government agency

 

[Daddyo]

This week I had to respond to an email from Pete Hegseth, our Secretary of Defense. The email requested that I provide 5 bullet points about what I accomplished in my DOD civilian job last week.

I found this completely demeaning to everyone who is serving our country. I served this nation for over 20 years in the US Army, retiring as a Master Sergeant and I now work for the Department of Defense. Meanwhile, our Secretary of Defense never commanded a unit greater than a Company, but is serving as Trump and Musk's lap dog.

I realize that this is nothing but political theater, since many Trump supporters literally hate government workers, but the vast majority of government workers work hard and serve this nation, but also need their job to provide for themselves and their families. Pay for government workers is less than 3% of the budget. I really worry about these people, who are affected by this garbage.

Fortunately I don't need the job. I tried the retirement thing, but got bored and went back to work. So, in case anyone reads them, which I doubt, my 5 bullet comments were:

-**** you
-**** you
-**** you
-**** you
-**** you

Great hope you enjoy your retirement.

What has this country come to that an employee finds it demeaning to answer a question from his boss? A rather simple question lol. The fact that you hold so much contempt for your superiors, likely politically motivated contempt, just proves how necessary getting rid of folks like you really is.

My father taught me to do whatever the boss asked as long as it was within my capabilities and legal. Responding to an email lol my goodness how low we have fallen these days.

 

[stealthycat]

This week I had to respond to an email from Pete Hegseth, our Secretary of Defense. The email requested that I provide 5 bullet points about what I accomplished in my DOD civilian job last week.

I found this completely demeaning to everyone who is serving our country. I served this nation for over 20 years in the US Army, retiring as a Master Sergeant and I now work for the Department of Defense. Meanwhile, our Secretary of Defense never commanded a unit greater than a Company, but is serving as Trump and Musk's lap dog.

I realize that this is nothing but political theater, since many Trump supporters literally hate government workers, but the vast majority of government workers work hard and serve this nation, but also need their job to provide for themselves and their families. Pay for government workers is less than 3% of the budget. I really worry about these people, who are affected by this garbage.

Fortunately I don't need the job. I tried the retirement thing, but got bored and went back to work. So, in case anyone reads them, which I doubt, my 5 bullet comments were:

-**** you
-**** you
-**** you
-**** you
-**** you

I 100% support you to not be employed by me, the taxpayer of the USA

BTW I had to report to my manager/company all the things I did, just like I do and have for years. Tracking work is normal for companies.

 

[mike2810]

I 100% support you to not be employed by me, the taxpayer of the USA

BTW I had to report to my manager/company all the things I did, just like I do and have for years. Tracking work is normal for companies.

I 100% support you to never be employed by me, a taxpayer .

BTW reporting to your manager is a far cry to reporting to the company President, unless you work directly for that President.

Do you believe that federal workers do not have staff meetings or reviews on a regular basis to go over what they have accomplished and what is left to get done?

 

[stealthycat]

I 100% support you to never be employed by me, a taxpayer .

If I were, I'd have a means of reporting what I did I imagine. Nobody works without their employer knowing what they did

BTW reporting to your manager is a far cry to reporting to the company President, unless you work directly for that President.

in this I agree - Musk should have IMO demanded reports from managers of everyone they had under them - the managers are the ones that take the heat, that's part of their responsibility

Do you believe that federal workers do not have staff meetings or reviews on a regular basis to go over what they have accomplished and what is left to get done?

I question that with the sheer immense number of employee's yes, there is a lot of waste and spending that could be consolidated. I have no idea who has staff meeting and reviews etc

I can read the DOGE reports and am stunned by it.

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[armycowboy]

I 100% support you to not be employed by me, the taxpayer of the USA

BTW I had to report to my manager/company all the things I did, just like I do and have for years. Tracking work is normal for companies.

Don't worry, you'll still be on the hook for my military retirement and my 100% VA disability when I do retire, so I won't have to worry about you forgetting about me.

 

[Michael Cole]

I hope you don't pretend to know what you are talking about. It is the exact same thing. Those learning targets and lesson plans had to match state standards and drop-in evaluations. They also had to prove that we were, indeed, actually teaching. BTW, we were to also provide video links to our lessons. When your boss tells you to do something, instead of bitching, do what your boss tells you to do.

Elon Musk is not their boss.

 

[armycowboy]

Great hope you enjoy your retirement.

What has this country come to that an employee finds it demeaning to answer a question from his boss? A rather simple question lol. The fact that you hold so much contempt for your superiors, likely politically motivated contempt, just proves how necessary getting rid of folks like you really is.

My father taught me to do whatever the boss asked as long as it was within my capabilities and legal. Responding to an email lol my goodness how low we have fallen these days.

Elon Musk isn't my boss. As far as people I've worked for in the past, I've never engratiated myself to any of them and I've done just fine.

 

[Michael Cole]

The OP's email came from the Secretary of Defense.

Do try and keep up.

You sweet young man.

 

[JMR]

I understand some people like to quibble over minutiae to justify lazy, entitled government employees.

And finally you get there....government employees must be lazy and entitled. Of course, that is what you have been trained to believe, probably think Trump is draining a swamp of ungrateful lazy workers.

 

[armycowboy]

And finally you get there....government employees must be lazy and entitled. Of course, that is what you have been trained to believe, probably think Trump is draining a swamp of ungrateful lazy workers.

They believe he's trying the balance to budget and pay down the deficit after exploding it during his last term, so I'm sure they believe this as well.

 

[JMR]

They believe he's trying the balance to budget and pay down the deficit after exploding it during his last term, so I'm sure they believe this as well.

That's how MAGA operates...there always has to be an enemy.

 

[rjay]

lol

Son, I pay more in taxes than multiples of your salary which means I pay a disproportionate amout of your bloated government salary only to see you whine and disparage our leadership. And let's be real honest. Your job at aafes is not very important and in no way will you running away sobbing have any impact on anyone.

You miss the point of the tax system. Shockingly, you seem to look at the tax system from an individual perspective. ie- "how am I personally affected". If you make that much money, it may be because you have specific talent or run a successful business. Luckily you live in a country that has a great highway system, great railway system, great electrical infrastructure, clean water coming to you, great sewage sytem taking the unwanted waste away. The one thing you are not doing is paying a disproportionate amount towards the running and managing of government services.

Using fictitional numbers:
Let's assume I make 10,000 a year and I pay 20% to ensure I have an environment that is healthy and maintained, to live in.
Here you are making $500,000 a year, using up for more of our shared reources and infrastructure, and you pay $40,000 a year in taxes. Yes you are paying more in dollars, but I am under much more financial stress to meet my obligation. You are taking more advantage of the shared resources and infrastructure, thus requiring more maintenance to keep things working for all of us. So saying I paid more dollars in tax than you did, means nothing.

The U.S. worked much better when there was a middle class. The middle class was made up of people who were paid well, were able to purchase homes, were able to save, were able to purchase goods from various companies. To be part of the middle class was a realstic goal for 70% of the population.

To do this now, people who make more than $4,000,000.00 a year need to pay a tax rate of 85% on every dollar they bring in, over and above that $4M threshold. With a tax rate lke that, those making $4m or more a year will still have a pretty good life. Cutting back on Social Securty, Medicaid and Medicare will not be neccessary. There will be a benefit to being born in the U.S., like there used to be. The U.S. has been on a path to make more and more of their citizens losers in the geographical lottery, of where we are born. Propaganda wise, they are still selling how lucky people were to be born in the U.S., but it is systematically becoming leess true with each passing year.

 

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[Lursa]

Still waiting on this:

So far they appear to be strengthening the economy. They are expanding the private sector workforce and shrinking the public sector simultaneously. That is economically healthy.

Where are they doing the bold? Please prove your claim. Oh and please support this one too:

Employment opprotunities are on the rise.

Expecting *crickets*

 

[Cosmo]

And finally you get there....government employees must be lazy and entitled.

Not all of them. Just the lazy and entitled ones.

Of course, that is what you have been trained to believe, probably think Trump is draining a swamp of ungrateful lazy workers.

 

[Citizen]

From "no boss I ever had" to "everybody..."

I Had to Respond to an EMail

Why do so many people apparently find it "demeaning" to report on what they did? Pretty much every desk job I've ever had I've had to report on every minute I was at work. 30 minutes doing this, 1.5 hours doing that, etc... I've only ever worked in the private sector. The question is how much...

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Liberals will take either ridiculous, extreme position to get their way.

Then it ought to be pretty easy for these guys to copy and paste 5 rows from their time sheet.

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Based on your reply, you never had a job in your life. Everyone that I know who ever worked gets evaluated at least yearly by their supervisor. Do you think that the owner of the entire McDonalds franchises evaluate every employee of every McDonalds or do the individual store managers do that.

 

[maxparrish]

Exactly.

Your post couldn’t be more wrong. My final job for the company I retired from, a Top 100 company in the Fortune 500 since that list was originated in 1955, was as a litigation administrator. In other words, I directed our local legal counsel across the country where there were usually two to ten firms per state depending on the size of the state. Each month, I reviewed the billing statements per attorney and firm for each legal matter currently being litigated. Then I paid the firms.

What you apparently don’t know, is that there was a legal working agreement between my employer and each law firm. That included each attorney’s and paralegal’s hourly rate. It had nothing to do with paying the law firm what I thought their work was worth. It was contracted as such, and the hourly rate was plainly spelled out on the attorney’s billing statement each month, as well.

I knew the approximate legal costs up front from each type of matter I was about to retain an attorney to handle. If I wanted massive headaches and negative feedback to my superiors way up the executive ladder, I could question the billable hours submitted by the law firms with little to no basis. There is also a level of professional trust at work here.

Law firms getting the business from my employer usually spanned years and decades. It was work volume and a feather in their cap to be able to say they represented my employer. I had a business relationship with every one of these attorneys- some damn good ones, too. It got so that if I called one of them for counsel on a prospective matter or something they weren’t currently working on, the billing meter on their end wasn’t running. If it was something they were eventually going to be retained for, they would eventually get paid. It also had to be a billable matter- in other words, they would have to formally be asked to take a matter and conduct a conflicts check.

So yeah, they had “special legal privileges” to bill clients by the hour or fraction of hours. The original signed working agreement gave them that.

Exactly. When a client hires a professional wherein, they professional charges by the hour (typically attorneys, some kinds of accounting, and architectural designers) time management software is quite common, if only because the client would like to see exactly what he is paying for.

However in the broader world of white-collar work, be it a book keeping clear in a company office, a customer support rep, a salesperson, etc. etc. you don't need "five things you did today" pettiness; your work is obvious, either you made a sale or not, you either are up to date on billing or not, you either answerer the phone and logged complaints or not.

If you boss doesn't know what his or her employees do, the problem is the boss needs fo find another kind of work.

 

[armycowboy]

Not all of them. Just the lazy and entitled ones.

And how does this 5 bullet points email bullshit identify the lazy and entitled workers?

 

[mike2810]

If I were, I'd have a means of reporting what I did I imagine. Nobody works without their employer knowing what they did


in this I agree - Musk should have IMO demanded reports from managers of everyone they had under them - the managers are the ones that take the heat, that's part of their responsibility


I question that with the sheer immense number of employee's yes, there is a lot of waste and spending that could be consolidated. I have no idea who has staff meeting and reviews etc

I can read the DOGE reports and am stunned by it.

doge.gov

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I have read some of the DOGE reports and find them lacking.

- The firings are not based on any workload or program review.
- Some of the conclusions are misinformation. example. the use of some of the SS data searches and conclusions presented

I have no doubt that some things could and should be cut from the federal government. The approach DOGE has taken is crude and not very professional

Do you support the blanket firing of Park Service personnel based entirely that they were in a position for a short time?

 

[dobieg]

Don't worry, you'll still be on the hook for my military retirement and my 100% VA disability when I do retire, so I won't have to worry about you forgetting about me.

Musk is looking into fraud, waste and abuse. Perhaps he'll look into vets claiming 100% disability who then go on to work a full time job.

 

[memberya2]

If I were, I'd have a means of reporting what I did I imagine. Nobody works without their employer knowing what they did


in this I agree - Musk should have IMO demanded reports from managers of everyone they had under them - the managers are the ones that take the heat, that's part of their responsibility


I question that with the sheer immense number of employee's yes, there is a lot of waste and spending that could be consolidated. I have no idea who has staff meeting and reviews etc

I can read the DOGE reports and am stunned by it.

doge.gov

Ramaswamy shreds NYC $220M migrant hotel deal paying Pakistan 'to house illegals in our own country'

Vivek Ramaswamy torched a reported $200 million agreement for New York City to lease the Roosevelt Hotel from the Pakistani government to house migrants.

www.foxbusiness.com

DOGE says Texas non-profit reaped millions operating empty Pecos facility

PECOS, Texas (KMID/KPEJ)- The Department of Health and Human Services has terminated a contract with a nonprofit that was paid millions each month to operate a Texas overflow facility that largely sat empty, the Department of Government Efficiency announced on X this week. According to previous...

www.yahoo.com

Just like how elon lied and said 8 billion was saved when it was 8 million. They are just looking for excuses to fire good people to "save money". You dont ask what they do for this country you just justify it as well if they were fired they must of not of done anything. These cuts are being powered also by AI which can also make mistakes elon has no idea what these people do or how any of these organizations operate and has no business overseeing them. You really think Pete Hegseth a guy that doesnt wash his hands being department of defense is a good thing? You guys just justify anything trump says it gets to a point where its sheer ridiculous.

 

[Daddyo]

I 100% support you to not be employed by me, the taxpayer of the USA

BTW I had to report to my manager/company all the things I did, just like I do and have for years. Tracking work is normal for companies.

The only folks that don’t have to report what they do are the ones that are already doing what they have been told to do or have direct management that does the reporting. My employees don’t have to report because I watch them work.

The leftists have politicized this issue and DOGE. Hopefully the majority of those who lose their jobs are leftists like the OP who place partisan politics over doing a good job and carrying out instructions from management.