I find it absolutely amazing

[Grim17]

So you want to abolish the 1st amendment then? Just say that.

You're being absurd... But I expect absurdities from someone who thinks that what BLM and ANTIFA are doing is constitutionally protected.

 

[iguanaman]

You're being absurd... But I expect absurdities from someone who thinks that what BLM and ANTIFA are doing is constitutionally protected.

How can we keep the 1st amendment and not allow protests? Enlighten me.

 

[Phys251]

I am a person that grew up on a farm, I started working at 7 years old on chores, and continued to work all my life until I retired at 70. I guess that is the reason I find it amazing that the streets are always filled with protesters whining about something. Why are the not at work? Where I live, there are signs out all over that businesses want workers.

People have the right to peacefully protest. Or are you one of those who wants to take that right away too?

 

[Grim17]

Then dont act like the problem is VIOLENT protest.



The problem for you is just PROTEST

I don't want to prevent football players from taking a knee during the anthem, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with what they are doing.

I'm not on the left, therefore when I don't agree with what someone legally partakes in, I don't try to prevent them from doing it. Just like when someone voices opinions I disagree with, I don't try to prevent them from being able to voice them.

It's called "respecting a person's rights"... You all should give it a try sometime.

 

[Grim17]

How can we keep the 1st amendment and not allow protests? Enlighten me.

WTF are you talking about?

When have I ever said people should not be allowed to protest peacefully?

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[vegas giants]

I don't want to prevent football players from taking a knee during the anthem, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with what they are doing.

I'm not on the left, therefore when I don't agree with what someone legally partakes in, I don't try to prevent them from doing it. Just like when someone voices opinions I disagree with, I don't try to prevent them from being able to voice them.

It's called "respecting a person's rights"... You all should give it a try sometime.

Right....as long as people don't break the law....right?

 

[americanwoman]

WTF?

Are you trying to start a pissing war with me?

ffs, chill out.

You replied to me first.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I mean it shouldn't be too hard to say you agree with a founding father but then again..... :shrug:

 

[Grim17]

Right....as long as people don't break the law....right?

What is your point?

I made my opinions on protesting crystal clear. I realize that you don't like my political beliefs and want to create a "gotcha" moment and find something to criticize me with, but it's not going to happen. I respect people's rights, but I don't respect people committing acts of violence and trying to claim it's their right to do so. I may disagree with what someone says, but I respect that they have a right to say it.

anything else?

 

[Grim17]

You replied to me first.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I mean it shouldn't be too hard to say you agree with a founding father but then again..... :shrug:

I was being sarcastic with the thing about Jefferson... I wasn't attacking or criticizing you at all.

 

[vegas giants]

What is your point?

I made my opinions on protesting crystal clear. I realize that you don't like my political beliefs and want to create a "gotcha" moment and find something to criticize me with, but it's not going to happen. I respect people's rights, but I don't respect people committing acts of violence and trying to claim it's their right to do so. I may disagree with what someone says, but I respect that they have a right to say it.

anything else?

Yes. Do you support protests if they break the law?

 

[Grim17]

Yes. Do you support protests if they break the law?

I do not support the use of violence, destruction of property, theft, arson, etc...

I don't have a problem with jaywalking, protesting without a permit, trespassing on public property, etc...

Clear enough for you?

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[vegas giants]

I do not support the use of violence, destruction of property, theft, arson, etc...

I don't have a problem with jaywalking, protesting without a permit, trespassing on public property, etc...

Clear enough for you?

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How about violating a law that is immoral

 

[Grim17]

How about violating a law that is immoral

If you have something specific in mind, then let's hear it.

 

[Visbek]

Are you calling what's taking place a revolution?

:roll:

I'm saying that from the perspective of the British and Loyalists, the revolting Colonists were... revolting. They were a bunch of ungrateful backwater lowlifes who should have kept their mouths shut, obeyed the law, and did what the governors told them to do. Instead, they destroyed a bunch of property, told King George to get lost, took up arms, shot a bunch of British troops, and waged open war.

I'd also point out that all this "ooooh, riots are bad!" is basically just bull**** by people who think that it's more important to bow to white grievance than to fix racist injustices. When protest is 100% peaceful, the protesters are blasted as being anti-American, ungrateful, uncivil, and so on -- the same criticism are used, no matter what protest tactics are actually in effect. Meanwhile, those same "law & order" types completely ignore examples of right-wing terrorism, or police using brutal tactics against peaceful protesters.

I.e. When it comes to bad-faith criticisms of protests, I'm over it.

 

[vegas giants]

If you have something specific in mind, then let's hear it.

Forcing black people to sit in the back of the bus

Or


Forcing black people to see a monument to someone who fought to keep them a slave when they go to the park

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Not hatred, just an observer of what is happening.

There’s a difference between observing and drawing bias based conclusions.

 

[grainbelt]

I am a person that grew up on a farm, I started working at 7 years old on chores, and continued to work all my life until I retired at 70. I guess that is the reason I find it amazing that the streets are always filled with protesters whining about something. Why are the not at work? Where I live, there are signs out all over that businesses want workers.

Why do you assume they don't have jobs or should be at work instead?

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[Grim17]

:roll:

I'm saying that from the perspective of the British and Loyalists, the revolting Colonists were... revolting. They were a bunch of ungrateful backwater lowlifes who should have kept their mouths shut, obeyed the law, and did what the governors told them to do. Instead, they destroyed a bunch of property, told King George to get lost, took up arms, shot a bunch of British troops, and waged open war.

I'd also point out that all this "ooooh, riots are bad!" is basically just bull**** by people who think that it's more important to bow to white grievance than to fix racist injustices. When protest is 100% peaceful, the protesters are blasted as being anti-American, ungrateful, uncivil, and so on -- the same criticism are used, no matter what protest tactics are actually in effect. Meanwhile, those same "law & order" types completely ignore examples of right-wing terrorism, or police using brutal tactics against peaceful protesters.

I.e. When it comes to bad-faith criticisms of protests, I'm over it.

You are comparing the reaction to laws imposed by force on people by a tyrannical king from a foreign land, to what is taking place in various cities across the country today and the reasons behind it?

To say that's a false comparison would be the understatement of the year.

 

[Grim17]

Forcing black people to sit in the back of the bus

I wouldn't have a problem with a black person sitting in the front of a bus today if doing so were illegal. That's because such a law would be unjust and violating it would not be an act of violence, theft, or destruction of property.

Forcing black people to see a monument to someone who fought to keep them a slave when they go to the park

Nobody has the right not to be offended. Statues and monuments are public property, paid for by the citizens of that state, county or city.

A person or group of people can oppose their existence and protest to have a statue or monument removed, but they do not have the right to destroy, deface, or remove them themselves. There are legal mechanisms in place to address such things, and ultimately it will be up to the citizens of that jurisdiction to decide democratically whether a monument stays or goes.

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[vegas giants]

I wouldn't have a problem with a black person sitting in the front of a bus today if doing so were illegal. That's because such a law would be unjust and violating it would not be an act of violence, theft, or destruction of property.




Nobody has the right not to be offended. Statues and monuments are public property, paid for by the citizens of that state, county or city.

A person or group of people can oppose their existence and protest to have a statue or monument removed, but they do not have the right to destroy, deface, or remove them themselves. There are legal mechanisms in place to address such things, and ultimately it will be up to the citizens of that jurisdiction to decide democratically whether a monument stays or goes.

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I do have the right to be offended. If that statue was pornographic I certainly do have the right to be offended.


There were legal means to remove jim crow laws too. People just got tired of waiting for them to work. I am glad they are tired of looking at Confederate monuments now.

 

[Mason66]

More importantly how important do you think the right to peacefully assemble is in America? Should we repeal the 1st amendment to save a few buildings or should we try to adress the grievances of the protesters instead of calling them all anarchists?

What does the right you listed above have to do with saving buildings?

 

[Grim17]

I do have the right to be offended. If that statue was pornographic I certainly do have the right to be offended.

I didn't say you didn't have a right to be offended... I said a person does not have the right "to not to be offended". In other words, if you are offended by something, that's not a violation of your rights.

So yes, you have every right to be offended by a pornographic statue, but the existence of that statue isn't violating your rights.

There were legal means to remove jim crow laws too. People just got tired of waiting for them to work. I am glad they are tired of looking at Confederate monuments now.

False comparison... Comparing laws that mistreat a certain group of people based on their race, is not the same as monuments or statues that mistreat nobody.

As I said, nobody has the right "not to be offended".

 

[Logical1]

People all over the world work, that's not some awesome "American" thing.

To me, protecting our freedoms for which the country was founded on, is a very "American" thing to do.

What freedoms are you most concerned about?

 

[vegas giants]

I didn't say you didn't have a right to be offended... I said a person does not have the right "to not to be offended". In other words, if you are offended by something, that's not a violation of your rights.

So yes, you have every right to be offended by a pornographic statue, but the existence of that statue isn't violating your rights.




False comparison... Comparing laws that mistreat a certain group of people based on their race, is not the same as monuments or statues that mistreat nobody.

As I said, nobody has the right "not to be offended".

The supreme court disagrees. It's called obscenity.


Forcing a little black girl to have to see a monument to a person that fought to keep her a slave every time she goes to the park is mistreatment.


It doesn't bother you because you support the cause of the people that put it up

 

[Logical1]

You speak as a white straight man who has never has to fight for your rights.



This is white privilege folks

One of my very best friends is a straight black man that didnt have to "fight" for his "rights".