I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

[Casper]

Do you realize Turkey could walk in to out US camp unopposed, unless the troops there chose to die there?

And what was the plan for ISIS prisoners? Hold them until they die of old age? You passion is admirable but of no use without solutions.

Do you realize we could destroy the Turkish army in Syria in a week and take their country away in about four weeks. Why do you think Turkey didn't try anything until trump stepped out of the way. Your boy is a POS.

 

[GreatNews2night]

I was a Bushian Neo-Con. I voted for McCain though I was pissed at how Huckabee voters joined forces with McCain to squeeze Romney out in 2008. I voted for Romney in 2012. I didn't leave the GOP until they became the party of Trump. Yes, I am anti-Trump. There is no reason to be pro-Trump. He manages to find the worst, most treacherous, most divisive way to do everything. Don't deny that. That's his M.O. and he and Trumpsters are proud of it most of the time. The good things he might have been able to do, he screws up with his proudly ignorant combination of wrecking-ball strategies and cozying up to dictators. He has been a priceless gift to Putin, Assad, Ergodan and Kim. And he is providing daily propaganda for the recruiting arms of Middle East terrorists and Central America crime cartels and increasing the numbers of desperate people for them to take advantage of.

Yes, I despise Trump. So I ask again, how do you think the people feel who aren't in this country and have no reason to ever try to give Trump the benefit of the doubt so that family conversations go more smoothly at Thanksgiving? Trump is delivering fuel to everyone who hates us. He is making us more vulnerable at home and abroad.

OK, but the one thing you didn't say: who did you vote for, in 2016?

 

[Casper]

Yeah, like you know. What is this? Story time?

There aren't any pop up pictures so we understand why some couldn't keep up, it's ok, some do the best they can.

 

[Amelia]

OK, but the one thing you didn't say: who did you vote for, in 2016?

I voted for Stein.

I voted for Democrats for every office in 2016 except president, because my husband hated Hillary so much that voting for her would have seemed unfaithful to him.

Every single Democrat that I voted for lost. Wisconsin belonged to the GOP in 2016.

In 2020 I will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Turkey is our ally

It's touching that you don't see how Turkey has changed.
The Turkey who was a decisive ally of the West was the Ataturk secular and modern Turkey... It's the Turkey that wanted to join the European Union.
These days, Erdogan has walked it all back, and has plunged Turkey into the dark ages of anti-Western Islamic fundamentalism.
Yes, sure, on paper Turkey is still a NATO member, therefore, nominally an ally, and we still have an Air Force base there.
But if you've been paying attention, you'll realize that this is all... only on paper.
The geopolitical reality is that Turkey has been steadily drifting towards Russia, towards Islamic fundamentalism, and away from NATO and the United States.
Soon, the official alignments will catch up to the realities on the field, and Turkey will leave NATO, expel our Air Force from Incirlik, and enter more and more commercial and political alliances with Russia. Mark my words.

Now, the Kurds actually actively helped us with defeating ISIS... something Turkey would not do, and at certain points, would actually look the other way when ISIS fighters used their country as a safe haven and gateway to join the fight in Iraq and Syria. Yeah, great allies indeed!

See, Trump is adopting sanctions against Turkey, due to this very matter. Is this something that sounds like what one does to allies?

Nope, Turkey is on paper an ally, but de facto, it's anything but.

Look, Republican senators and Republican house representatives are decisively against Trump's action in this matter. It's not just the Democrats. Why in the hell you can't see that your dear leader committed a big blunder that alienated even his most ferocious defenders like Lindsey Graham???

Are you one of those who defend Trump no matter what, even when the blunder is so deep and so big that even someone like Lindsey Graham energetically speaks against it???

 

[CaughtInThe]

Are there really no Republican Christians here?

 

[Condor060]

There aren't any pop up pictures so we understand why some couldn't keep up, it's ok, some do the best they can.

Is that what it takes to sell this kind of BS?

 

[Condor060]

I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.

Fake outrage

 

[GreatNews2night]

Fake outrage

The OP is a former Republican and Bush supporter. Hardly a liberal. She can see Trump's error here. Lindsey Graham can, too. Why can't you?

 

[Condor060]

The OP is a former Republican and Bush supporter. Hardly a liberal. She can see Trump's error here. Lindsey Graham can, too. Why can't you?

I don't care if she is the queen of England. Its a made up story with nothing but made up conclusions and assumptions.

How is it everyone was piling on about Iraq but Trump wants to take us out of a never ending war that was going on for a hundred years to keep from killing American soldiers over nothing and you want me to agree with some story line full of what if's.

He removes 28 soldiers and you guys act like he removed battalions of personnel. Fake outrage over nothing.

Would you rather send over a few battalions, kill a few million, and stake a claim on some rock in the sand? For what?

Should we just keep a few thousand over there to be killed off every now or then just so we can say we are there?

It was a campaign promise to get us out of the middle east.

 

[chuckiechan]

Do you realize we could destroy the Turkish army in Syria in a week and take their country away in about four weeks. Why do you think Turkey didn't try anything until trump stepped out of the way. Your boy is a POS.

We? Are you one of the poor bastards who are going to have to suit up and do it?

“Death comes swiftly to those who stick their chin out”

As Condor says we have to get out.
We have to re tool for asymmetrical conflict with China.

 

[GreatNews2night]

because my husband hated Hillary so much that voting for her would have seemed unfaithful to him.

Wow. Sorry, but this gotta be one of the stupidest reasons to vote for a candidate I've ever heard. I mean, you alienate yourself in favor of your husband so much, that disagreeing with him seems unfaithful? Oh my God. I pity you.

 

[GreatNews2night]

I don't care if she is the queen of England. Its a made up story with nothing but made up conclusions and assumptions.

How is it everyone was piling on about Iraq but Trump wants to take us out of a never ending war that was going on for a hundred years to keep from killing American soldiers over nothing and you want me to agree with some story line full of what if's.

He removes 28 soldiers and you guys act like he removed battalions of personnel. Fake outrage over nothing.

Would you rather send over a few battalions, kill a few million, and stake a claim on some rock in the sand? For what?

Should we just keep a few thousand over there to be killed off every now or then just so we can say we are there?

It was a campaign promise to get us out of the middle east.

Really?
Why do you suppose Erdogan wasn't attacking the Kurds before? Because of those 28 soldiers, duh! Erdogan who is not stupid would never launch an offensive that would include blatantly killing American soldiers.

You are talking about American lives. Mark my words, all those ISIS combatants who escaped the prisons during the Turkish invasion will end up mounting attacks that will kill American lives. Destroying any faith local allies in the fight against Islamic terrorism will have in the near and distant future regarding America's promises, will cost American lives.

So, Trump promised in campaign that he'll get us out of the Middle East. Great. When is he breaching all treaties with Saudi Arabia and bringing back all Americans stationed there? When is he dismantling the Air Force base in Incirlik?
As soon as Trump announced the withdrawal, he moved in.

 

[Casper]

We? Are you one of the poor bastards who are going to have to suit up and do it?

“Death comes swiftly to those who stick their chin out”

As Condor says we have to get out.
We have to re tool for asymmetrical conflict with China.

Not this time, done my time, as did my son, and extended family .

I am not one to stick their chin out, but I welcome anyone that feels lucky to go for it. Life is full of choices.

Yes, but in a far better way and on our terms. China, they are poised to take the South China Sea along with the island they always wanted back. We will do nothing. Welcome to the new world.

 

[Amelia]

Wow. Sorry, but this gotta be one of the stupidest reasons to vote for a candidate I've ever heard. I mean, you alienate yourself in favor of your husband so much, that disagreeing with him seems unfaithful? Oh my God. I pity you.

Thanks. He thought it was stupid, too. But it's how I felt. Of course you're mischaracterizing what I said. I didn't say anything about disagreeing with him in general. Voting for someone my husband considered evil is different from merely disagreeing with him.

Thanks for your concern though.

 

[Casper]

Quick question, why didn't we work out a deal with the Turks Before we pulled out. Now we deal from position of weakness and the deal only gets a pause in Turkeys actions. We have truly have fallen as a Nation under trump.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Liberals are OUTRAGED!!!!

Because TRUMP!!!!

:2mad:

 

[jnug]

For the first time in history, the Leftists give a rat's ass about the Kurds. This is so fake. :lamo

What an ignorant take. Americans, actual Americans care about the National Security of the United States and relinquishing a tool that US Military had used so effectively in Syria by stabbing our ally in the back is effectively passing the knife through the back of the Kurds and directly into United States citizens.

Notice I said actual Americans. I am beginning to believe there are few Trumpettes posting in this forum that are actual Americans. Hence, I am beginning to wonder why we should take anything they have to post seriously.

 

[FinnFox]

I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.

Trump failed big time and it's going to increase hating US or if they are smarter, they hate only Trump. I think Obama was right when he said Trump is a symptom and not a root cause, but when there is this incompetent cry baby in oval office we are seeing chaos (just count resignations/firings and all random f-up's - list is pretty long and it's getting longer). Trump isn't smart and that's why he can't figure out how to deal with people, how to lead, how to collect information from reliable sources, he's more like an vane. Evidence of dysfunctional administration is mounting up every single day now. It's interesting how Trump supporters can't see it at all - whatever happens is always 100% winning in eyes of Trump's base. That's funny and also sad.

 

[maxparrish]

Admirable, bravo! Very correct. I'm thrilled that you think like this, because I'm quite certain (I hope) that you are also less than receptive to the cynical flip-flopping on the right, moving from all the anti-communism, all the equaling of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades as the Devil incarnate and the utmost enemies of America whom you deemed as fueled by the misguided left, to the pro-Russia hysteria of 2016, 17, 18, and 19. In the past, if any Democrat showed one tenth of the good will Trump shows towards Russia and their leader, you'd all be screaming bloody murder. But when it's your cult leader who does it, it's all A OK. So, see, the left doesn't have any monopoly on cynical flip-flopping. Funny how two can play this game, huh?

First, if I have a "cult" leader it is not, and has never been, Donald Trump - I refused to vote for him (or anyone else) in 2016 and, I expect, will also sit out 2020. If that is the typical reaction of a Trump "cult" member, I don't think you know what a Trump cult membership is.

Second, the sweeping and cynical flip-flopping from the left is the SAME individual ideologues and politicians who held 180 degree different views prior to Trump. Opposed to the two Iraq wars, in favor of cut and run withdrawals, babbling about resets with Russia and supporting the Obama meme that "ISIS is JV" (while sarcastically calling conservative interventionists "chicken-hawks") their current position of posturing over using military force to defend the Kurds reeks of insincerity.

Third, by in large, note that the same conservatives who lambasted Democrats for appeasement to Russians and communists STILL hold the same view towards Russia (e.g. Romney and Graham). And unlike Obama's experience with dutiful drones, a huge number of House Republicans and Senators have made their unhappiness with Trumps abandonment of the Kurds and foot-dragging on Ukrainian aide well known. Unlike Obama who could count on his drone's dutiful support with his feckless foreign policies, Trump has continued to get push-back from mainline conservatives and neo-conservatives - so much so he was warned that IF the Ukraine aid were held up indefinitely, the GOP would join the Democrats and push it through an open political revolt.

Yes, there is support for Trump's non-interventionism - most notably from the paleo-conservative, alt-right, populists and libertarians who have ALWAYS grumbled or raged about neo-conservatives and mainstreamers and, for some perverse reason, admired Russian nationalism (recall Kosovo). That is not hypocrisy nor cynicism, its a open and long-standing division dating back to Pat Buchanan and his isolationism, and grown by the ascendency of Trump populism.

 

[jnug]

First, if I have a "cult" leader it is not, and has never been, Donald Trump - I refused to vote for him (or anyone else) in 2016 and, I expect, will also sit out 2020. If that is the typical reaction of a Trump "cult" member, I don't think you know what a Trump cult membership is.

Second, the sweeping and cynical flip-flopping from the left is the SAME individual ideologues and politicians who held 180 degree different views prior to Trump. Opposed to the two Iraq wars, in favor of cut and run withdrawals, babbling about resets with Russia and supporting the Obama meme that "ISIS is JV" (while sarcastically calling conservative interventionists "chicken-hawks") their current position of posturing over using military force to defend the Kurds reeks of insincerity.

Third, by in large, note that the same conservatives who lambasted Democrats for appeasement to Russians and communists STILL hold the same view towards Russia (e.g. Romney and Graham). And unlike Obama's experience with dutiful drones, a huge number of House Republicans and Senators have made their unhappiness with Trumps abandonment of the Kurds and foot-dragging on Ukrainian aide well known. Unlike Obama who could count on his drone's dutiful support with his feckless foreign policies, Trump has continued to get push-back from mainline conservatives and neo-conservatives - so much so he was warned that IF the Ukraine aid were held up indefinitely, the GOP would join the Democrats and push it through an open political revolt.

Yes, there is support for Trump's non-interventionism - most notably from the paleo-conservative, alt-right, populists and libertarians who have ALWAYS grumbled or raged about neo-conservatives and mainstreamers and, for some perverse reason, admired Russian nationalism (recall Kosovo). That is not hypocrisy nor cynicism, its a open and long-standing division dating back to Pat Buchanan and his isolationism, and grown by the ascendency of Trump populism.

Does it now. Syria is not Iraq. Your position reeks of the failed, wrong and racially biased Domino Theory regarding Vietnam and the rest of Southeast Asia. The two circumstances, Iraq and Syria are entirely different as were the realities of Vietman v Cambodia, Laos etc.

 

[Condor060]

Really?
Why do you suppose Erdogan wasn't attacking the Kurds before? Because of those 28 soldiers, duh! Erdogan who is not stupid would never launch an offensive that would include blatantly killing American soldiers.

You are talking about American lives. Mark my words, all those ISIS combatants who escaped the prisons during the Turkish invasion will end up mounting attacks that will kill American lives. Destroying any faith local allies in the fight against Islamic terrorism will have in the near and distant future regarding America's promises, will cost American lives.

So, Trump promised in campaign that he'll get us out of the Middle East. Great. When is he breaching all treaties with Saudi Arabia and bringing back all Americans stationed there? When is he dismantling the Air Force base in Incirlik?
As soon as Trump announced the withdrawal, he moved in.

Assume away. Nothing you posted is etched in concrete. Its all just assumptions. Let us know when this all comes to pass. Until then, we don't need to put our American soldiers between two conflicting thousand year wars. Just what in the hell are we doing there in the first place.

 

[Wayne Jr]

I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants.

What did Trump give to Ergodan?

 

[Wayne Jr]

Maybe we should just put the Kurds on reservations and give them tax-free casinos. It worked in the US.

 

[Airyaman]

That land belongs to Syria, not the Kurds.

I mean damn! You people actually think the Kurds have their own country...lol

Cool!

So...how does this viewpoint jive with the idea of this "ceasefire" to "clean out" the Kurds out so TURKEY can take over the area?