Jack Dawson
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Jack Dawson said:die. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous. When you fight and enemy that will fly planes into buildings, or strap explosives to themselves they are difficult to defend against. I am not sure these terrorists care whether anyone is liberal or conservative. They want to kill us because we are Americans and because they detest our success and life style. Hollywood has not helped our image around the world as far as morals go. Just a thought. :monkey
mixedmedia said:Did someone suggest that Rumsfeld & co. want to see American soldiers die? Did I miss something?
Terrorist fundamentalists want to kill us because we are a free society, at least we were, and a free society who has meddled in Middle Eastern affairs to secure our own interests. Anyone who denies it needs to read up on the modern history of our covert operations there.
And of course by saying that, you knee-jerkers out there will assume that I approve of the methods of terrorism (you're either with us or against right, duh, right?), but of course I don't. I just have the capacity to see and accept our role in this mess and still love my country. And you folks have the nerve to try and deny me my patriotism.
I love how the right has used terrorism and fear of it to justify their "moral agenda." What a joke. Terrorists want to kill us because of Hollywood. That is hilarious, man - ya oughtta take that act on the road.
What's next? They hate us for that jungle rock 'n' roll music?
Fantasea said:The first is that the most radical followers of Islam believe that the faith of their youth is being corrupted by the West (read: US). They see the spread of US culture, music, movies, clothing, fast food, treatment of women, and many other temptations through TV, the Internet, and service personnel stationed abroad, as evil being heaped upon them. They believe it is their religious duty to eliminate the 'infidels', as they refer to us.
Is there some speck of refutation lurking in there? Or am I simply reading a sarcastically cloaked unfounded opinion?argexpat said:Gosh, this sounds very familiar...where have I heard this before? Oh, yeah, it's exactly what the red state "moral values" crowd yammers on about: their faith under attack, the corruption of the culture blah blah blah...takes one to know one, I guess.
Fantasea said:Is there some speck of refutation lurking in there? Or am I simply reading a sarcastically cloaked unfounded opinion?
WKL815 said:Wow, Argepax! You must really be afraid of religion to equate the existing Christian Churches to the Islamist Fascists who bomb civilians, stone women, behead their POWs, etc. What is it about someone else's religious belief that causes you such consternation that you're blinded by the subtle differences among the two? Please note that "subtle" was *my* attempt at sarcasm.
WKL815 said:Additionally, instead of claiming Fantasea is speculating on what makes the Radical Islamists want us dead and sarcastically attacking his/her religion, how about doing something like research which will either prove the accuracy of the statement, or enlighten all of us as to why exactly we were bombed through out the '90's culminating into the 9/11 attack.
argexpat said:I'm not afraid of religion, I'm afraid of religious fundamentalism. When you believe you've got God on your side, you'll justify any atrocity...
WKL815 said:Say, do you know about the history of the Democratic party?
argexpat said:Ask, and ye shall receive!
You would do well to pay heed to the words of Osama Bin Laden. While I have not furnished a verbatim quote, my description is correct. He and others of his ilk have made this perfectly clear on numerous occasions.argexpat said:Oh, it's sarcasm all right, congrats! (There's some more for you.) Here, I'll be more blunt: Your description of "radical followers of Islam" is also a pitch perfect description of the Christian right. Does that work better for you?
P.S. Purporting to know what radical followers of Islam believe is not only an "unfounded opinion" but incredibly pompous.
argexpat said:That they ended child labor and segregation and gave us the eight hour work day and overtime pay and worker safety regulation and electricity to rural America and mass transit and VA loans and the GI Bill and programs that help regular people buy homes and get an education and save for retirement and a host of economic and social benefits that Republicans take for granted? Yeah, I know that history, but thanks for checking.
Since drilling in the ANWR will take about ten years to bring the oil to market and will only supply us with approx. 6 months worth of crude. How exactly will this "Tidy" any Middle East problem?WKL815 said:Whew!!! What a load to read! From 1991 no less. Very update to date on all the policies.
Re: Oil...then I suppose drilling in ANWR is a go. Excellent. That'll tidy that little Middle East problem we have.
Re: Israel v. Palestine ... Yassar was the problem there. He's gone. Let's try again with the Palestinian State.
Basically, what the entire article refused to address was the leadership of the people of the Middle East. It is presumed that the people should be allowed to allow themselves to be subjugated by monsters whom then we must work with and make nice so he won't need to kill as many of his people. Just as many as their religious law allows. Yeah. Let's give that person exactly what he wants.
So it goes from being the solution to a major problem- to a long hard task that is still worth undertaking? Wow! That's quite a jump! /Sans sarcasm.WKL815 said:You're right, Pac. I didn't articulate clearly that *little* detail in my plan that I am sure all liberals will immediately flock to write their congressmen to support. You know, it seems too hard...we should just not do it all together. Forget the whole thing. It's all just too hard to figure out and even if we could, it will take too long and not stop this Iraq war right now. /sarcasm
Pacridge said:Since drilling in the ANWR will take about ten years to bring the oil to market..How exactly will this "Tidy" any Middle East problem?
Pacridge said:and will only supply us with approx. 6 months worth of crude.
Pacridge said:Why not take the energy we'd put into developing the ANWR resources and use it to come up with a long term sustainable solution to our oil short falls?
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