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How would you vote on this bill?

Yes or no on the current legislation to block terror suspects from buying weapons?

  • Yes restrict those on terror list

    Votes: 12 38.7%

  • No gun restrictions for those on terror list

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • Total voters
    31
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Would you vote yes or no on a bill to restrict those on the terrorist watch list from purchasing weapons?

Senate GOP votes down gun legislation - NY Daily News

Senate Republicans voted against barring suspected terrorists, felons and the mentally ill from getting guns on Thursday afternoon, parroting National Rifle Association arguments that doing so would strip some innocent people of their constitutional rights to gun access just a day after yet another massacre on U.S. soil.

A pair of Democratic measures - one to close background check loopholes to make it harder for felons and the mentally ill from buying guns, another to ban those on the terror watch list from buying guns - both went down in flames against near-unanimous GOP opposition.
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http://www.newsweek.com/terrorist-watchlist-no-bar-buying-guns-400959


Senate blocks effort to keep guns from terrorists | TheHill
 
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Dion said:
Would you vote yes or no on a bill to restrict those on the terrorist watch list from purchasing weapons?

Senate GOP votes down gun legislation - NY Daily News





http://www.newsweek.com/terrorist-watchlist-no-bar-buying-guns-400959


Senate blocks effort to keep guns from terrorists | TheHill
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Why would anyone not want to block those on the terrorist watch list from buying guns, or the mentally ill? It makes no sense to allow people who are being watched as potential terrorists to buy guns. I mean, what do people think a potential terrorist/someone on the terrorist watch list want to do with the guns they purchase? Tis a worry, thank goodness we just don't have such problems here.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Why would anyone not want to block those on the terrorist watch list from buying guns, or the mentally ill? It makes no sense to allow people who are being watched as potential terrorists to buy guns. I mean, what do people think a potential terrorist/someone on the terrorist watch list want to do with the guns they purchase? Tis a worry, thank goodness we just don't have such problems here.
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I voted no restrictions. There needs to be due process before anyone's Constitutional rights are infringed on.
 
I voted no.

I absolutely refuse to go by guilt by association.

Otherwise, we're all pretty much, well...


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So by today's standards, America's founding fathers would eb caled terrorists. Abraham lincoln would be called a terrorist.

So on and so forth.

So this is NOT a good idea.

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
 
X Factor said:
There needs to be due process before anyone's Constitutional rights are infringed on.
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Ok, so the potential terrorist on the watch list buys a gun, goes on a killing spree while due process is happening. A tad late don't you think? What am I missing here, not being American and all?
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Ok, so the potential terrorist on the watch list buys a gun, goes on a killing spree while due process is happening. A tad late don't you think? What am I missing here, not being American and all?
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I think not being an American probably does make a difference. There's no way a law that that is in line with the Constitution. Think about it this way, why not just pass a bill that says anyone on the watch list could be detained and their houses searched? Maybe that would save us from the killing spree as well, but some things done in the name of safety/security aren't worth the infringement on constitutional rights.
 
The "terror list" includes people who are merely suspected, not proven to be "terrorists."

I firmly believe in the ideal "innocent until PROVEN guilty."

No one's rights should be infringed in any way without due process of law. That does not mean just passing a law; it means determined in a court of law.
 
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LadyMoonlight said:
Why would anyone not want to block those on the terrorist watch list from buying guns, or the mentally ill? It makes no sense to allow people who are being watched as potential terrorists to buy guns. I mean, what do people think a potential terrorist/someone on the terrorist watch list want to do with the guns they purchase? Tis a worry, thank goodness we just don't have such problems here.
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Because the terror watch list is so easily manipulated. It would be a simple thing to simply call the NRA a potential terrorist org. and then ban all NRA members from being able to buy a gun.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Ok, so the potential terrorist on the watch list buys a gun, goes on a killing spree while due process is happening. A tad late don't you think? What am I missing here, not being American and all?
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In the US, in theory, we are willing to accept a higher level of risk in exchange for guaranteed rights. The right to own guns is enshrined in the constitution, our most basic legal document. Whether it is a good idea or not is irrelevant, it is there, and it is not going away. As long as it is there, the bar for removing that right is very, very high. Suspicion probably isn't good enough.
 
I think it'll be interesting how the voting shakes out. For the right, it's like a gun rights vs curbing potential terrorism conundrum. It's even more interesting with regards to the left in that they argue that they are more staunchly for personal liberties as well as profess beliefs in due process and lament that religious minorities are unfairly stereotyped. All those things would seem to favor voting down the legislation except that there's this strong dislike for guns and supporting any legislation that curbs gun ownership. I'm honestly thinking the anti-gun sentiment will "win" out over the other considerations (just as think most right wingers pro-gun position will be favored even if it means the potential that someone who could be a terrorist gets access to a gun).

Summarized version; those who support gun rights generally will vote option two and those who favor gun control will vote option one.
 
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LadyMoonlight said:
Ok, so the potential terrorist on the watch list buys a gun, goes on a killing spree while due process is happening. A tad late don't you think? What am I missing here, not being American and all?
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You're missing peoples Rights. Due Process is not just a Right either. It is extremely needed. Otherwise you have what people once had where Lords and Kings could string someone up in the gallows simply on the word of an affronted "noble".
 
faithful_servant said:
Because the terror watch list is so easily manipulated. It would be a simple thing to simply call the NRA a potential terrorist org. and then ban all NRA members from being able to buy a gun.
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That too.
 
No. People are innocent until proven guilty. Just because they are being watched or suspected does not mean they have been convicted of any actual crimes. Until they are, they have all of the rights and privileges of any other American citizen.
 
X Factor said:
I think it'll be interesting how the voting shakes out. For the right, it's like a gun rights vs curbing potential terrorism conundrum. It's even more interesting with regards to the left in that they argue that they are more staunchly for personal liberties as well as profess beliefs in due process and lament that religious minorities are unfairly stereotyped. All those things would seem to favor voting down the legislation except that there's this strong dislike for guns and supporting any legislation that curbs gun ownership. I'm honestly thinking the anti-gun sentiment will "win" out over the other considerations (just as think most right wingers pro-gun position will be favored even if it means the potential that someone who could be a terrorist gets access to a gun).

Summarized version; those who support gun rights generally will vote option two and those who favor gun control will vote option one.
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So where did I fit into all that?
 
Dion said:
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I'll pass, thank you very much.

It was in the news though.

You can probably google it yourself.

If you want the debate point you can have it.

I just wanted to should you that your O/P is a fallacy.

Goodnight.
 
Riveroaks said:
I'll pass, thank you very much.

It was in the news though.

You can probably google it yourself.

If you want the debate point you can have it.

I just wanted to should you that your O/P is a fallacy.

Goodnight.
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If you are unwilling or unable to defend your claims, why waste people's time with them?
 
Kal'Stang said:
You're missing peoples Rights. Due Process is not just a Right either. It is extremely needed. Otherwise you have what people once had where Lords and Kings could string someone up in the gallows simply on the word of an affronted "noble".
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From what I have seen and heard, peoples' rights can be manipulated too. It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that criminals have more rights than victims, of course, that's the same here. We don't have a Bill of Rights in Australia and I have never wanted one. Every time something happens, Americans start screaming rights this and that. You can't pray in schools (Christians at least), you can't do this or that without someone carrying on and screaming rights...just like your uni students at the moment.
 
Riveroaks said:
Dion is a sweetie and a cutie too, but her ideas are a bit unsound.
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OK, that has jack **** to do with what I asked. Why do you avoid questions so often?
 
Redress said:
OK, that has jack **** to do with what I asked. Why do you avoid questions so often?
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So that I do not have to say that your questions are foolish and ridiculous and that you should not butt into others' conversation.

It's called the indirect approach.
 
Riveroaks said:
So that I do not have to say that your questions are foolish and ridiculous and that you should not butt into others' conversation.

It's called the indirect approach.
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It is a legitimate question about a comment made on a public message board. Instead of running, why not actually defend it.
 
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