How will the USSC rule on the Bakery vs the Gay wedding case? (1 Viewer)

[TurtleDude]

Tomorrow, I believe, the USSC will hear the appeal of the Bakery that refused to serve a gay wedding. How do you think the Court will rule?

 

[TurtleDude]

Here is a synopsis of the case for those who want to recall what exactly is being appealed

Supreme Court to decide Colorado gay wedding cake case: A timeline of events | Fox News

 

[Harshaw]

Tomorrow, I believe, the USSC will hear the appeal of the Bakery that refused to serve a gay wedding. How do you think the Court will rule?

These days, who knows?

If they follow established precedent, they'll find for the bakery. But will they? Anyone's guess.

 

[Redress]

Tomorrow, I believe, the USSC will hear the appeal of the Bakery that refused to serve a gay wedding. How do you think the Court will rule?

It is truly a coin flip. There are legal arguments that can be made on both sides of the issue.

 

[DiAnna]

It all depends if this court accepts and agrees with the premise of equal protections under the law. If they don't, the LGBT community will lose status as a protected class, and be re-subjected to the second-class citizenship from which they were so recently freed.

If it's unconstitutional to deny service because of race, religion, ethnicity, etc., but it's okay to deny service based upon sexual orientation, that would not be a good thing in my view.

 

[Hawkeye10]

IDK but my attitude on this changed 180 degrees as a result of my experience as a restaurant owner, I now fully what business to have the constitutional right of freedom of association in most cases. Where to draw the line is a problem but I want to go back to "We reserve the right to refuse service as we see fit".

 

[DiAnna]

IDK but my attitude on this changed 180 degrees as a result of my experience as a restaurant owner, I now fully what business to have the constitutional right of freedom of association in most cases. Where to draw the line is a problem but I want to go back to "We reserve the right to refuse service as we see fit".

And if you see fit to refuse service to black people? Are you good with seeing "No Blacks Allowed" signs in business windows again?

 

[Hawkeye10]

And if you see fit to refuse service to black people? Are you good with seeing "No Blacks Allowed" signs in business windows again?

As a white person I can barely even serve soul food without getting jammed, let the market decide.

 

[DiAnna]

As a white person I can barely even serve soul food without getting jammed, let the market decide.

Total non-answer, so never mind.

 

[Harshaw]

It all depends if this court accepts and agrees with the premise of equal protections under the law. If they don't, the LGBT community will lose status as a protected class, and be re-subjected to the second-class citizenship from which they were so recently freed.

If it's unconstitutional to deny service because of race, religion, ethnicity, etc., but it's okay to deny service based upon sexual orientation, that would not be a good thing in my view.

The Court is going to deal with the actual facts of the case, not the popular misunderstanding of the facts. They didn't deny service based on sexual orientarion. They do and have always served gay customers, and they would have sold them a stock or blank cake from the shelves. They declined to make a custom cake for a particular event. They also decline to make cakes for Halloween for the same reason.

Since the incident, they've stopped making any wedding cakes at all.

Popular legend says they don't serve gays, but popular legend is wrong.

 

[CriticalThought]

The Court is going to deal with the actual facts of the case, not the popular misunderstanding of the facts. They didn't deny service based on sexual orientarion. They do and have always served gay customers, and they would have sold them a stock or blank cake from the shelves. They declined to make a custom cake for a particular event. They also decline to make cakes for Halloween for the same reason.

Since the incident, they've stopped making any wedding cakes at all.

Popular legend says they don't serve gays, but popular legend is wrong.

They didn't serve them a wedding cake because they were a gay couple. So they refused a service based on who they were. It is also pure, unfounded speculation on your part that they would have sold them a "blank" cake if they knew a same sex couple would use it for their wedding.

But that said, I hope the baker wins. Businesses should have the freedom to discriminate and the market can sort the rest out.

 

[Superfly]

The Court is going to deal with the actual facts of the case, not the popular misunderstanding of the facts. They didn't deny service based on sexual orientarion. They do and have always served gay customers, and they would have sold them a stock or blank cake from the shelves. They declined to make a custom cake for a particular event. They also decline to make cakes for Halloween for the same reason.

Since the incident, they've stopped making any wedding cakes at all.

Popular legend says they don't serve gays, but popular legend is wrong.

Why? Why did they decline to bake the cake?

I dunno - bakeries kind of live and breathe by baking cakes. Why on earth would one be declined without a reason?

They declined to bake a custom cake because the couple was gay. That's why.

They discriminated against them.

Sorry - hope they lose everything. Will teach them a valuable lesson the next time they decide to not bake based on THEIR religion.

 

[Harshaw]

They didn't serve them a wedding cake because they were a gay couple. So they refused a service based on who they were. It is also pure, unfounded speculation on your part that they would have sold them a "blank" cake if they knew a same sex couple would use it for their wedding.

But that said, I hope the baker wins. Businesses should have the freedom to discriminate and the market can sort the rest out.

It's not speculation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ign-cakes-same-sex-weddings-column/917631001/

 

[Hawkeye10]

Total non-answer, so never mind.

Then you are not listening.

Had you been nice I would have been willing to tutor you.

 

[Harshaw]

Why? Why did they decline to bake the cake?

I dunno - bakeries kind of live and breathe by baking cakes. Why on earth would one be declined without a reason?

They declined to bake a custom cake because the couple was gay. That's why.

They discriminated against them.

Sorry - hope they lose everything. Will teach them a valuable lesson the next time they decide to not bake based on THEIR religion.

In their own words:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ign-cakes-same-sex-weddings-column/917631001/

 

[Superfly]

In their own words:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ign-cakes-same-sex-weddings-column/917631001/

Yup. Already knew that, but thanks for the link.

Still doesn't justify his discriminating against the couple by refusing to bake them a cake.

If he doesn't want to be fair to all his customers, and not just the ones he chooses, he should lose the right to bake any cakes.

Do that **** out of your house like they do on Facebook.

You simply cannot discriminate against someone simply because you don't agree with their lifestyle.

 

[Harshaw]

Yup. Already knew that, but thanks for the link.

Still doesn't justify his discriminating against the couple by refusing to bake them a cake.

If he doesn't want to be fair to all his customers, and not just the ones he chooses, he should lose the right to bake any cakes.

Do that **** out of your house like they do on Facebook.

You simply cannot discriminate against someone simply because you don't agree with their lifestyle.

He wasn't being "unfair." He declined to make a custom cake for a specific event, and gay weddings aren't the only type of event he declined to make custom cakes for. He would have sold them a stock or blank cake.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court will be deciding the case based on all of the facts and all of the issues actually at play, and not just the one or two some prefer to focus on (or just get wrong). They will not be looking at it as simplistically and vindictively as you are, and that's good and proper.

 

[TurtleDude]

Then you are not listening.

Had you been nice I would have been willing to tutor you.

LOL, I hope you have talon proof panty hose on :mrgreen:

 

[TurtleDude]

Yup. Already knew that, but thanks for the link.

Still doesn't justify his discriminating against the couple by refusing to bake them a cake.

If he doesn't want to be fair to all his customers, and not just the ones he chooses, he should lose the right to bake any cakes.

Do that **** out of your house like they do on Facebook.

You simply cannot discriminate against someone simply because you don't agree with their lifestyle.

why not? being black or Asian or handicapped or over 40 is not a lifestyle. I don't agree with the discrimination but I believe the baker has a right to do it.

 

[Hawkeye10]

LOL, I hope you have talon proof panty hose on :mrgreen:

Ya I dont think she ever forgave me for arguing that the Sad State of California neglected Orville Dam and should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Superfly]

He wasn't being "unfair." He declined to make a custom cake for a specific event, and gay weddings aren't the only type of event he declined to make custom cakes for. He would have sold them a stock or blank cake.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court will be deciding the case based on all of the facts and all of the issues actually at play, and not just the one or two some prefer to focus on (or just get wrong). They will not be looking at it as simplistically and vindictively as you are, and that's good and proper.

No, :lol: they also didn't make Halloween cakes. See - just refusal based on religious beliefs is not right. They don't have to support it, but you can't discriminate when you're in business.

 

[Superfly]

why not? being black or Asian or handicapped or over 40 is not a lifestyle. I don't agree with the discrimination but I believe the baker has a right to do it.

I disagree. Nobody is asking them to agree. Just bake the ****ing cake and cash the check.

I wonder how many wedding cakes they've refused to bake when people are on their 3rd or 4th wedding? That's against Bible, too, but I'm sure they don't have a problem with that part. It's just that "gay stuff" that they have a problem with. :roll:

 

[TurtleDude]

I disagree. Nobody is asking them to agree. Just bake the ****ing cake and cash the check.

I wonder how many wedding cakes they've refused to bake when people are on their 3rd or 4th wedding? That's against Bible, too, but I'm sure they don't have a problem with that part. It's just that "gay stuff" that they have a problem with. :roll:

I think the baker has an absolute right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever,

if he turns down good customers he's only cutting his own throat,

now we cannot determine who decides NOT to give a baker business based on reasons that you might find as wrong as the baker's decision. but what are we going to do-interrogate customers -why didn't you patronize a black bakery or a gay run bakery etc

I say the freedom of association-a stated right in the bill of rights trumps this bogus governmental interference. period

 

[Superfly]

I think the baker has an absolute right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever,

if he turns down good customers he's only cutting his own throat,

now we cannot determine who decides NOT to give a baker business based on reasons that you might find as wrong as the baker's decision. but what are we going to do-interrogate customers -why didn't you patronize a black bakery or a gay run bakery etc

I say the freedom of association-a stated right in the bill of rights trumps this bogus governmental interference. period

Well, that's your opinion. I personally think they are raging hypocrites, and if they don't cater to all, they shouldn't cater to any.

 

[Harshaw]

No, :lol: they also didn't make Halloween cakes. See - just refusal based on religious beliefs is not right. They don't have to support it, but you can't discriminate when you're in business.

Yeah, Halloween cakes, and apparently other things. More than just gay weddings. While serving gay customers.

Like I said, the Court is not going to look at it with the extremely narrow focus you are. There are a lot of issues at play. They will have a much more nuanced point of view than yours, and they won't have your vindictiveness.