How will the maga war on education ensure that all kids get access to a good education ?

[zincwarrior]

I doubt that (bolded above) was true, but I’d rather have 50 attempts made to improve the publicly funded education situation than continue with one which is far from preventing the dismal quality of education offered in many public schools and school districts now.

How do you feel the Federal Dept of Ed inhibits this? This is not a criticism, but a question.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

Education in many states seems to be in the hands of ideological lunatics. How will the interests of the children be safeguarded ? In particular the poorer children.

How will a qualification awarded by Florida, for example, be rated by employers alomgside a qualification issued by a normal state ? It all seems very problematic.

It will not be.

This is a step in the war on education the right has been fighting since religion was removed from schools. The right believes this turned schools into liberal breeding grounds.

This is why they constantly fight and attack those who want to provide education to children.

 

[gboisjo]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

Education in many states seems to be in the hands of ideological lunatics. How will the interests of the children be safeguarded ? In particular the poorer children.

How will a qualification awarded by Florida, for example, be rated by employers alomgside a qualification issued by a normal state ? It all seems very problematic.

Yet, what we were doing was clearly failling. So...

Its true, academically the US falls further and further behind Asian countries.

 

[NatMorton]

It doesn't matter who's in charge of the Department of Education or even if such a department exists. Public education will not improve until we first take one important step: break the teachers unions.

Until we end that monopoly, no meaningful change is possible.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Don’t forget getting sued.

That’s unlikely to do anything productive, since giving inept (or corrupt?) school systems more money is unlikely to accomplish much of anything. Often, the problems are due to ‘issues’ beyond the control of the schools, such as ‘students’ not showing up to classes, but getting public funding regardless.

This year, Baltimore City Schools will spend a record amount of money per student, but what kind of education are those students receiving? According to new data, nearly two thirds of City Schools earned the lowest possible performance ratings from the state.

According to the Report Card, the six lowest-performing schools in Maryland are all in Baltimore City. Those schools are Stadium School, William S. Baer School, Sharp-Leadenhall Elementary/Middle, Yorkwood Elementary, James McHenry Elementary/Middle, and Excel Academy.

In total, 1,823 students attend these schools. At each one, more students are chronically absent than not. At Excel Academy, 98.7 percent are chronically absent. That means 1.3 percent of the students at Excel are not chronically absent.

In Baltimore City, 65% of public schools earn lowest possible scores on Maryland Report Card

This year, Baltimore City Schools will spend a record amount of money per student, but what kind of education are those students receiving? According to new dat

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[BirdinHand]

That’s unlikely to do anything productive, since giving inept (or corrupt?) school systems more money is unlikely to accomplish much of anything

It won’t give money to school systems, it will give money to parents - that comes out of the pockets of districts and state dept of education

 

[Lutherf]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

Education in many states seems to be in the hands of ideological lunatics. How will the interests of the children be safeguarded ? In particular the poorer children.

How will a qualification awarded by Florida, for example, be rated by employers alomgside a qualification issued by a normal state ? It all seems very problematic.

We are going to ban education in America for everyone except wealthy, white males. The ideological left has declared that to be the goal!

 

[Mycroft]

There is nothing in the constitution that requires the feds to fund education. There is nothing in the constitution that requires states to accept federal money for education. Both parties do it of their own free will. You takes the king's coin, you will do the king's bidding, simple as that. As a taxpayer I DEMAND that there be accountability for how my tax dollars are spent. You should, too.

I do.

You seem to be under the impression that the 10th amendment does not apply to education. You seem to be suggesting that congress is free to pass a federal law regarding education, even though the constitution clearly states in the 10th amendment that education is the purview of the states.

I think you misunderstand me. I support the 10th Amendment.

The federal law I was refering to was in regard to "access" to education...not to the education itself.

My point was that we don't need a federal department to ensure that access. We might just need a law and let the justice system handle any violations to the law.

The real issue is just about money. States, particularly red states, want the federal money to keep flowing without any accountability. Do you believe the taxpayers are entitled to know how those dollars are spent?

I do believe the taxpayers are entitled to know how their federal tax dollars are spent.

 

[zincwarrior]

Right.

Its a FAR CRY from "best education". Or most educated. Florida is neither.

Top ten is not bad. Other studies have different rankings of course.

 

[ataraxia]

The standards and protocols they put in place are designed to protect their jobs and indoctrinate our children.

Indoctrinate them into what? That the Earth may be more than 6000 years old, or that this country was not founded as a Christian theocracy? Oh the horror!

 

[ttwtt78640]

How do you feel the Federal Dept of Ed inhibits this? This is not a criticism, but a question.

By rewarding the failure of the states (or school districts) to improve their publicly funded educational systems. See post #55.

 

[uptower]

It won't. That's their idea of a "good" education.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It won’t give money to school systems, it will give money to parents - that comes out of the pockets of districts and state dept of education

What makes you think that will happen?

 

[Visbek]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

The reality is that the Department of Education doesn't actually do all that much.

The states set their own standards for almost everything. There are no federal education standards imposed on states. Common Core was purely voluntary on the part of the states, and wasn't even developed or managed by the DoE.

60% of the DoE's budget is student loans. Another big chunk is simply sending funds to states.

If Republicans actually "shut" the department, someone still needs to manage student loans, and states aren't going to tolerate losing billions in federal funding. I.e. "shutting down the Department of Education" is just a bullshit move that probably isn't going to happen anyway.

 

[Kelby]

It won’t give money to school systems, it will give money to parents - that comes out of the pockets of districts and state dept of education

This thread is like deja vu all over again.

 

[panic buyer]

It sounds like a big administration project. Im not convinced that Trump and his team have the skills to do it.

 

[panic buyer]

It won’t give money to school systems, it will give money to parents - that comes out of the pockets of districts and state dept of education

Thats a recipe for inequality.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

By rewarding the failure of the states (or school districts) to improve their publicly funded educational systems. See post #55.

The problem with this statement is that the GQP terrorist states have long prevented schools from receiving sufficient funds to provide a good education. There are schools in Joke-la-homa that have not had updated text books in more than 20 years.

Red state ratbags play this game.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

It sounds like a big administration project. Im not convinced that Trump and his team have the skills to do it.

Trump doesn't have the skill to write a letter.

 

[panic buyer]

It doesn't matter who's in charge of the Department of Education or even if such a department exists. Public education will not improve until we first take one important step: break the teachers unions.

Until we end that monopoly, no meaningful change is possible.

Breaking a union never improved anything apart from billionaire profit margins.
Teachers unions need to be stronger not weaker

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Breaking a union never improved anything apart from billionaire profit margins.
Teachers unions need to be stronger not weaker

Agreed.

There needs to be a federal institution designed to protect teachers and their unions from the tyranny of the red state governments.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The reality is that the Department of Education doesn't actually do all that much.

The states set their own standards for almost everything. There are no federal education standards imposed on states. Common Core was purely voluntary on the part of the states, and wasn't even developed or managed by the DoE.

60% of the DoE's budget is student loans. Another big chunk is simply sending funds to states.

If Republicans actually "shut" the department, someone still needs to manage student loans, and states aren't going to tolerate losing billions in federal funding. I.e. "shutting down the Department of Education" is just a bullshit move that probably isn't going to happen anyway.

Federal student loans aren’t being ‘managed’ now, since the interest rate is below the default (or ‘forgiven’) rate.

IMHO, the best system for funding college or trade school education is to let employers (job creators) write off the costs of (or get subsidies for) offering tuition reimbursement programs to their employees.

 

[panic buyer]

The problem with this statement is that the GQP terrorist states have long prevented schools from receiving sufficient funds to provide a good education. There are schools in Joke-la-homa that have not had updated text books in more than 20 years.

Red state ratbags play this game.

And yet they have the money to buy trumps bible ?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

And yet they have the money to buy trumps bible ?

Absolutely correct.

This is why there needs to be strict federal oversight of all state education departments.

Many of these "education" departments are not even following the constitution anymore.

 

[Callen]

It won’t give money to school systems, it will give money to parents - that comes out of the pockets of districts and state dept of education

That's absolutely what they will do,