How was the election stolen?

[mike2810]

And yet...the opposition to finding the fact is STILL being opposed.

Go figure...

Is that you Gage............ AE911T has been saying something similar about the WTC and 9/11 for over 20 years. AE911T faces so much opposition to finding the facts.

Mycroft. in another thread of yours you said. "It was mean to be click bait and you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker."
It has become clear that applies to most of your responses. You are looking for a reaction.

So far the "evidence" you claim exists does not hold up. If it did you would have provided links to the sources you use.

 

[MaryP]

It was a cabal of Trump haters that span both political parties and the coverup includes members of state governments, the federal executive, legislative branches and the entire judiciary. The desire to prevent Trump from winning the 2020 election transcends all ideologies.

I've entertained that notion in passing; it would make a great novel. They had 4 years to pull it together. Yes, Trump was that bad and if the Deep State nixed him in the most complicated, perfectly executed, fraud scheme of all time, I 100% support it. But the odds? Like I said, it would make a great novel.

 

[Jay59]

No. I am asking if you know what a forensic audit is and how it differs from a regular audit. Hint: it occurs AFTER fraud or malfeasance has been found.

I'm still not seeing the problem. There is plenty of evidence to justify the audit.

 

[Nickyjo]

If you are going to mischaracterize responses like this, no wonder you are fishing. To the best of my knowledge, there has been one forensic audit, when there should have been over a dozen. You Emperors longjohns are showing.

Why should there have been many forensic audits? Do they happen in every election? (I really don’t know.) Your Emperor, aka Trump, is the only reason we are having this conversation. Don’t you get it? Trump can’t lose. He never has. His ego won’t allow it. Not the popular vote in 2016. Not in the primary before then. Not in 2020. Not in the Emmy selection before that. His phony hair would shrivel. His makeup would melt if he had to admit losing. He will brag about sexual assault, but not admit to losing. At anything. Tell me truthfully, if Trump runs and loses in 2024, can you imagine him accepting the results? Not bloody likely.

He’s a hustler. His supporters are the gullible rubes. He said as much himself.

 

[Hampton86]

I'm still not seeing the problem. There is plenty of evidence to justify the audit.

No, actually that's the opposite of the truth

 

[Nickyjo]

No, actually that's the opposite of the truth

Correct. Trump’s hurt feelings are not evidence.

 

[Puigb]

So you have anecdotes which seem to represent things that probanpbly happen in every election, with allowance for the pandemic. But you offer no link to a coherent theory as to who organized this, why/when, who staffed it, how no one has come forward to sell a story. Did the DNC or some caucus within meet a year before the election and set this in motion?

Who staffed this enormous undertaking? The entire judiciary was involved? Even Trump’s appointees? Can you provide a link to the theory of the case. Again, I have to ask, how do Trump’s consistent claims of fraud figure into your decision to believe him? Do you believe the following elections were rigged?:
Romney’s loss to Obama
The Iowa caucus
The 2016 popular vote
AZ, FL, GA, elections in 2017-18
The Emmys when “The Apprentice” didn’t win

In all the above, Trump claimed fraud. Of course the boy who cried wolf was right the last time, but doesn’t the pattern disturb you a bit?

You nailed it perfectly here. Whenever Trump doesn't like a result, whether it's from a poll or actual election results, he calls it "fake", or claims it was "stolen". He's been doing this for years...and it was always inevitable since 2015 at least that if he ever lost an election, he would claim it was stolen from him.

Of course, keep in mind that at least half, if not more, of the GOP voter base considered Obama an illegitimate president because they believed his birth certificate was fake, and that he was really a foreign born muslim terrorist, and now Biden stole the election according to them, and you have a growing problem where Republican voters WILL not accept Democratic presidents as legitimate.

Next Democratic president, whoever it is, will even have it worse than Biden does now. The GOP voter base, with a right wing media complicit in egging them on, WILL NOT accept Democratic presidents anymore. It's obvious that's where this is all going.

 

[Nickyjo]

You nailed it perfectly here. Whenever Trump doesn't like a result, whether it's from a poll or actual election results, he calls it "fake", or claims it was "stolen". He's been doing this for years...and it was always inevitable since 2015 at least that if he ever lost an election, he would claim it was stolen from him.

Of course, keep in mind that at least half, if not more, of the GOP voter base considered Obama an illegitimate president because they believed his birth certificate was fake, and that he was really a foreign born muslim terrorist, and now Biden stole the election according to them, and you have a growing problem where Republican voters WILL not accept Democratic presidents as legitimate.

Next Democratic president, whoever it is, will even have it worse than Biden does now. The GOP voter base, with a right wing media complicit in egging them on, WILL NOT accept Democratic presidents anymore. It's obvious that's where this is all going.

I wouldn’t be quite so pessimistic. I think as more and more is revealed about Trump and his or his people’s crimes, the fanaticism he spawned will fade, and grownups will assert control over the GOP.

 

[Puigb]

I wouldn’t be quite so pessimistic. I think as more and more is revealed about Trump and his or his people’s crimes, the fanaticism he spawned will fade, and grownups will assert control over the GOP.

We'll see. I think it's quite clear there's too much of a political divide in this country, and even with Trump gone things won't be healing anytime soon.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause. The GOP and right wing media have been radicalizing their voter base for years.

 

[Nickyjo]

We'll see. I think it's quite clear there's too much of a political divide in this country, and even with Trump gone things won't be healing anytime soon.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause. The GOP and right wing media have been radicalizing their voter base for years.

I hope you’re wrong. But, on the other hand, I just heard a clip of Trump bashing Pence. The guy looked at Trump for four years like he was Nancy Reagan gazing adoringly at Ronnie. Trump attacks him, and I expect no republican criticism of Donald for doing so. Hard to believe that they are that invested in such a low life.

 

[Puigb]

I hope you’re wrong. But, on the other hand, I just heard a clip of Trump bashing Pence. The guy looked at Trump for four years like he was Nancy Reagan gazing adoringly at Ronnie. Trump attacks him, and I expect no republican criticism of Donald for doing so. Hard to believe that they are that invested in such a low life.

I hope I'm wrong too, but the evidence is too strong to ignore. GOP policy today, besides tax cuts for the rich, is literally doing whatever possible to oppose "the libs', even if it's policy they once supported.

 

[dncc]

If we had a few decent investigations we would know more, but everyone has insisted the Emperor's new wardrobe is spectacular.

There are many indicators--eg widely different voting patterns in adjacent states, unexpectedly high turnout, things happening in the middle of the night when everything was supposed to be shut down, etc. It is well documented that many anti-fraud practices were set aside because of COVID. In that context, it is plausible that organized widescale fraud was attempted in about ten states.

The Secretary of State in Georgia appears close to admitting that a decisive number of ballots ought to have been flagged. Whether there was actual fraud is less clear, but it seems certain that a case can be made, in Georgia at least. Other key states have less cooperative governments. There is plenty of smoke stains, but no sign of the Fire Marshal.


Another sartorial fan chimes in.

Here is why I don't believe you:

What is more plausible? That fraud was committed in ten states--states with very low electoral vote numbers--instead of larger states that would have required less acts of fraud? Instead of rigging Georgia and Arizona (a total of 16 electoral votes) why not rig Florida...you get as many EVs plus some to spare?

The GOP gained ground in the House. How in the world did that happen if there was all of this fraud? Seems odd that you'd want to give more seats to your opponent if you're rigging an election.

Why didn't the supposed fraudsters deliver Georgia outright? If there was fraud on the behalf of Biden...why not give him both Senate seats outright?

None of the other losers from election night seem to believe there was fraud. Why are they not up in arms too?

 

[Quag]

Mycroft is the ant, so you see his mountains.

It would be a good analogy but as the proven election fraud was done by Republicans it is more of a small hole than an ant hill (or from his perspective a gaping chasm)

 

[Mycroft]

Already determined

You just don't like the answer

Being a sore loser isn't reasonable cause

Objecting to a crime isn't being a "sore loser". It's being for justice.

 

[Mycroft]

Is that you Gage............ AE911T has been saying something similar about the WTC and 9/11 for over 20 years. AE911T faces so much opposition to finding the facts.

I have no idea what you are talking about...or what its relevance is.

Dismissed.

Mycroft. in another thread of yours you said. "It was mean to be click bait and you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker."
It has become clear that applies to most of your responses. You are looking for a reaction.

I have never said that. Quit lying.

So far the "evidence" you claim exists does not hold up. If it did you would have provided links to the sources you use.

Nobody knows if the evidence holds up because nobody wants to admit the evidence exists.

Why should I provide links when you have no intention of considering any links.

So...let's recap...irrelevant nonsense, lying and asking for something you don't want to see. Yep...nothing but a wasted troll post.

You are dismissed.

 

[The AntiDonald]

It was a cabal of Trump haters that span both political parties and the coverup includes members of state governments, the federal executive, legislative branches and the entire judiciary. The desire to prevent Trump from winning the 2020 election transcends all ideologies.

Then Trump must have been pretty bad. Count yourself lucky that all these Trump haters saved us from another term.

There are mountains of evidence claimed by Trump supporters, yet none has ever been proven.

 

[Mycroft]

Then Trump must have been pretty bad. Count yourself lucky that all these Trump haters saved us from another term.

Of course...we've known since before the 2016 election that Trump was VERY bad for the globalist establishment...you know, big money donors, lobbyists and the bought and paid for politicians. There are TRILLIONS at stake and they will do ANYTHING to prevent Trump from destroying the system they've built up for more than 40 years.

The ends justify ANY means, no matter how immoral, unethical or illegal...including election fraud.

There are mountains of evidence claimed by Trump supporters, yet none has ever been proven.

You wouldn't admit proof if it slapped you upside the head and you'll do anything necessary to oppose finding the proof.

 

[WillyPete]

Nobody knows if the evidence holds up because nobody wants to admit the evidence exists.

If judges refuse to hear your evidence then that's a whole issue by itself, no?

Is that your claim? Because that's not Trump's legal team's claim.

 

[Hampton86]

Objecting to a crime isn't being a "sore loser". It's being for justice.

It is when the crime is imaginary

Then it's just idiocy

 

[Hampton86]

Of course...we've known since before the 2016 election that Trump was VERY bad for the globalist establishment...you know, big money donors, lobbyists and the bought and paid for politicians. There are TRILLIONS at stake and they will do ANYTHING to prevent Trump from destroying the system they've built up for more than 40 years.

The ends justify ANY means, no matter how immoral, unethical or illegal...including election fraud.


You wouldn't admit proof if it slapped you upside the head and you'll do anything necessary to oppose finding the proof.

Only because it doesn't exist

Newsflash - bigfoot isn't real either

 

[Mycroft]

If judges refuse to hear your evidence then that's a whole issue by itself, no?

Is that your claim? Because that's not Trump's legal team's claim.

The judges are only a part of the fraud. They didn't make it happen, but they are doing their part to prevent the fraud from being dealt with.

 

[Mycroft]

It is when the crime is imaginary

Then it's just idiocy

There is nothing imaginary about the mountains of evidence.

 

[Mycroft]

Only because it doesn't exist

Newsflash - bigfoot isn't real either

As I said...if it slapped you upside the head.

The fact that your only cogent response is sarc and snark shows you have no real rebuttal to the mountains of evidence.

 

[WillyPete]

The judges are only a part of the fraud. They didn't make it happen, but they are doing their part to prevent the fraud from being dealt with.

So what is stopping them from presenting their case to the public? If the evidence is compelling, why not win some folks over?

There is nothing imaginary about the mountains of evidence.

So lay it out. It really shouldn't take months to shape this evidence into a winning narrative, if it's true.

 

[Mycroft]

So what is stopping them from presenting their case to the public? If the evidence is compelling, why not win some folks over?

They have. That's why I've said there's mountains of evidence.

So lay it out. It really shouldn't take months to shape this evidence into a winning narrative, if it's true.

If you wanted to see the evidence, you would have already seen it. After all, the only way not to see mountains is to keep your head in a hole.