How was Biden's speech an explanation on Afghanistan?

[Acadia]

1. It has been a slow-motion catastrophe for the past 4 decades at least.
2. Only way it could be "poor execution" is if Biden was involved from the beginning, he was not.

Seriously? Biden voted for the war! Biden and Obama were in office for 8 YEARS! And btw, ran on the promise to end the war and did not.
You are really showing your lack of knowledge and history here.

 

[tres borrachos]

I thought it was good. Measured, spot on, honest, and well done.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Seriously? Biden voted for the war!

In IRAQ.

Biden and Obama were in office for 8 YEARS!

So was Bush and his cretins.

 

[Chomsky]

You've bought into Biden's straw man argument. NO ONE there or watching disagrees that it's been well past time to pull out. It's how the pull out is unfolding, and he failed to address that.
By design.

The bolded though, was my point. They may not care.

I can't speak to the military operations, it's beyond my understanding. But I do believe that, by large, the primary American emotion over time will be the relief of being out of Afghanistan, regardless of how sloppy the withdrawal.

You've got to admit it, Biden had the damn guts to do what other Presidents didn't. If it's executed less than perfectly, I don't think that's going to matter as we look back in time. Quite honestly, I give the guy credit. He sticks to his guns. Why shouldn't he? The Republicans will criticize him regardless. But damn, the guy got the job done. Something Trump, Obama, & Bush didn't. And that counts for something.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Speech was pretty good, but I think he told a few lies or half-truths, and perhaps massively oversimplified the issue.

We'll never know for sure if the result was inevitable with a different execution of the US withdrawal. Either way it was a crap shoot.

 

[Acadia]

Bush unilaterally declared a Global War on Terrorism with or without approval from congress. Your argument is invalid.



So was Bush and his cretins.

You're not making the point you think you're making.
Joe Biden voted for the war in Afghanistan, and his 8-year administration promised to end the wars.
Joe Biden failed then, and he's failing now.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

People should stop equating Fox with Cnn.

This is very misleading and only helps to legitimize Fox.

Not at all, I know Fox is way worse than CNN, but CNN will nevertheless give a positive spin on his speech.
I might turn on the radio tomorrow and listen to NPR or read Reuters online, if I want a balanced view.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Seriously? Biden voted for the war! Biden and Obama were in office for 8 YEARS! And btw, ran on the promise to end the war and did not.
You are really showing your lack of knowledge and history here.

Were Biden or Obama in office when Bush launched the war on Iraq and Afghanistan? Yes or no

 

[Acadia]

The bolded though, was my point. They may not care.

I can't speak to the military operations, it's beyond my understanding. But I do believe that, by large, the primary American emotion over time will be the relief of being out of Afghanistan, regardless of how sloppy the withdrawal.

You've got to admit it, Biden had the damn guts to do what other Presidents didn't. If it's executed less than perfectly, I don't think that's going to matter as we look back in time. Quite honestly, I give the guy credit. He sticks to his guns. Why shouldn't he? The Republicans will criticize him regardless. But damn, the guy got the job done. Something Trump, Obama, & Bush didn't. And that counts for something.

Trump planned to end the war and pull out in May 2021. He lost the election.
Trump's withdrawal was conditions-based, with the Taliban.
I firmly believe the chaos, panic and failure to fulfill our promise to pull our Afghan allies would not have happened if Trump was President.

What Biden's doing isn't gutsy. He is showing a frightening degree of callousness and cynicism.

 

[Rexedgar]

C'mon. You're not an idiot. Do you honestly think an army we spent twenty years training is going to be completely overwhelmed in a few hours if they're actively resisting them? Use your head.

Don’t be so hasty……….

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Trump planned to end the war and pull out in May 2021. He lost the election.
Trump's withdrawal was conditions-based, with the Taliban.
I firmly believe the chaos, panic and failure to fulfill our promise to pull our Afghan allies would not have happened if Trump was President.

What Biden's doing isn't gutsy. He is showing a frightening degree of callousness and cynicism.

I am so sorry you let Trump get into your head like this.

 

[Acadia]

Were Biden or Obama in office when Bush launched the war on Iraq and Afghanistan? Yes or no

Do you understand who approves war? Here's a hint: Congress declares war by voting. Joe Biden voted FOR the war in Afghanistan.

 

[Acadia]

I am so sorry you let Trump get into your head like this.

I'm sorry you are incapable of engaging in an intelligent and informed discussion about U.S. politics.
ttfn

 

[Loulit01]

Not at all, I know Fox is way worse than CNN, but CNN will nevertheless give a positive spin on his speech.
I might turn on the radio tomorrow and listen to NPR or read Reuters online, if I want a balanced view.

But...But... What about Tucker Carlson? If we're lucky he'll tell us what Viktor Orbán thought of the speech.

 

[ecofarm]

Yes reality has a way of becoming real eventually.

Pretending life is no different for the women of Afghanistan is intentional ignorance.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Do you understand who approves war? Here's a hint: Congress declares war by voting. Joe Biden voted FOR the war in Afghanistan.

After the Authorization for Use of Military Force

This paper offers an alternative vision for the future of U.S. counterterrorism policy in which use-of-force authorizations are a last, rather than first, resort.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

On September 18, 2001, one week after the deadliest terrorist attacks in U.S. history, President George W. Bush signed into law the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). The AUMF authorized the President: to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

 

[Logophile]

The answer is no, they did not. You have an absurd notion of how quickly one army can defeat another. A trained enemy that is actively resisting you is not going to swiftly defeated in a few hours.

Did we leave them tanks?? Choppers?? Humvees?? Bombers?? Did we even leave them flack jackets?? Trained army, my arse. How many were killed?? Were we even keeping count?? In 20 years, NATO lost around 4000. Who the eff else do you think made up the rest?? What we could have left them with is what we went there for, but then we were too corrupt to declare war. This isn't a huge population, Cardinal. About every family has battle scars. The Taliban blew up markets, killed babies and shopkeepers. You can sit there and judge but you don't have a clue as to how horrible it was - on a daily basis - for them. They didn't even know if they'd make it out of grocery shopping. They want out. They should be helped. And leave the effin rubble to the Taliban. They'll starve soon enough. But for Biden to blame the Afghan army?? Nixon had more grace. Thanks!!

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I'm sorry you are incapable of engaging in an intelligent and informed discussion about U.S. politics.
ttfn

Lol

 

[Higgins86]

Seriously? Biden voted for the war! Biden and Obama were in office for 8 YEARS! And btw, ran on the promise to end the war and did not.
You are really showing your lack of knowledge and history here.

didn’t Biden publicly oppose Obama’s surge tactic?

 

[Higgins86]

Did we leave them tanks?? Choppers?? Humvees?? Bombers?? Did we even leave them flack jackets?? Trained army, my arse. How many were killed?? Were we even keeping count?? In 20 years, NATO lost around 4000. Who the eff else do you think made up the rest?? What we could have left them with is what we went there for, but then we were too corrupt to declare war. This isn't a huge population, Cardinal. About every family has battle scars. The Taliban blew up markets, killed babies and shopkeepers. You can sit there and judge but you don't have a clue as to how horrible it was - on a daily basis - for them. They didn't even know if they'd make it out of grocery shopping. They want out. They should be helped. And leave the effin rubble to the Taliban. They'll starve soon enough. But for Biden to blame the Afghan army?? Nixon had more grace. Thanks!!

You have just listed numerous reasons why the Afghan army and government should have defended their country to the last man.

 

[Loulit01]

Did we leave them tanks?? Choppers?? Humvees?? Bombers?? Did we even leave them flack jackets?? Trained army, my arse. How many were killed?? Were we even keeping count?? In 20 years, NATO lost around 4000. Who the eff else do you think made up the rest?? What we could have left them with is what we went there for, but then we were too corrupt to declare war. This isn't a huge population, Cardinal. About every family has battle scars. The Taliban blew up markets, killed babies and shopkeepers. You can sit there and judge but you don't have a clue as to how horrible it was - on a daily basis - for them. They didn't even know if they'd make it out of grocery shopping. They want out. They should be helped. And leave the effin rubble to the Taliban. They'll starve soon enough. But for Biden to blame the Afghan army?? Nixon had more grace. Thanks!!

We did leave them all the equipment you mentioned as well as an air force.

 

[Chomsky]

Trump planned to end the war and pull out in May 2021. He lost the election.
Trump's withdrawal was conditions-based, with the Taliban.
I firmly believe the chaos, panic and failure to fulfill our promise to pull our Afghan allies would not have happened if Trump was President.

I can't speak to this hypothetical, but will respect your opinion. Though I can't say I had faith in any President, Trump or not, pulling this off.

And let's not forget before one can administer, one needs to be able to win elections! Good ideas are nothing, if one doesn't ascend to office.

What Biden's doing isn't gutsy. He is showing a frightening degree of callousness and cynicism.

Or, he is being pragmatic. Remember, he did get the job done that no one else did. There's something to be said about that, regardless of your hypothesis earlier.

To be honest, the way the Afghani relinquished power freely & peacefully, who knows what fixes were in?

 

[iguanaman]

Pretending life is no different for the women of Afghanistan is intentional ignorance.

It is different now but more like women in other muslim countries too. You should at least admit that. In India husbands still murder their wives with impunity.

It has been estimated that as many as one in three women across the world has been beaten, raped or otherwise abused during the course of her lifetime. And the most common source of such violence, Ms. Pillay states, comes from within the family, and amongst the most extreme forms of abuse is what is known as ‘honour killing.’
“Most of the 5,000 honour killings reported to take place every year around the world do not make the news, nor do the other myriad forms of violence inflicted on women and girls by husbands, fathers, sons, brothers, uncles and other male – and sometimes even female – family members.
“In the name of preserving family ‘honour,’ women and girls are shot, stoned, burned, buried alive, strangled, smothered and knifed to death with horrifying regularity.”
The UN human rights chief points out that the problem is exacerbated by the fact that in a number of countries’ domestic legal systems, including through discriminatory laws, still fully or partially exempt individuals guilty of honour killings from punishment. Perpetrators may even be treated with admiration and given special status within their communities.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2010/03/331422

 

[Logophile]

You have just listed numerous reasons why the Afghan army and government should have defended their country to the last man.

You think you can watch your 4 year old hacked to pieces?? I detest your kind of argument. WE FAILED. WE as in the US had the ability to wipe the Taliban group out and WE failed. Not the Afghani army. They lost countless fighters. And remember,. they didn't ask for us. WE went there, and convinced them they were safe. WE did that. It was a lie. Thanks!!

 

[noonereal]

Not at all, I know Fox is way worse than CNN, but CNN will nevertheless give a positive spin on his speech.
I might turn on the radio tomorrow and listen to NPR or read Reuters online, if I want a balanced view.

Fox was conceptualized and implemented as a propaganda outlet of the GOP. It was hoped it would break even and not be too costly.

CNN was launched as a 24 hours News outlet with a full staff of journalists and reporters from across the globe.

Fox had no such aspirations. They simply hired talking heads to spinn news unearthed by real journalistic ventures.

That brings us to today. CNN does have a liberal bias in it's editorial segments, yes, but it remains a news organization. Fox, on the other hand, is true to it's original mandate of offering propaganda to advance the goals of the now GQP.

That Fox choose a format that mimics journalist presentation was not by chance. It was to do just as it did, cause people to believe it was the same as other respected new outlets. It has worked spectacularly well to the detriment of the country.