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[ashurbanipal]

claim was that there is a huge difference between Democrats and Republicans.

Because republicans sign a pledge to shrink the government? We've already established that's a false claim. If you want to convince someone that what you're saying is true, you'll have to provide some reason to think it is. You cannot argue to a true conclusion on the basis of a false premise.

Jefferson was the first Republican who wanted freedom from govt and modern Republicans want the same thing while Democrats are socialists like Bernie who spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb because he stood for communism.

Bernie gave Stalin the bomb? I assume you mean the atomic bomb. Really? I find that very difficult to believe. I find it equally hard to believe that democrats are socialists, or even that Bernie Sanders is a socialist in the same way Stalin was.

why believe that when Newt and Clinton converted welfare to workfare fully half decided they no longer needed welfare?. Perhaps because true true???

Suppose I say it's false. What will you do to convince me otherwise? Tell me to look it up? I don't have time for that. Show me some data that backs up your claim.

 

[James972]

Because republicans sign a pledge to shrink the government? .

yes because they sign it and Democrats openly oppose it because Democrats and Republicans are different. 1+1=2.

 

[James972]

I find it equally hard to believe that democrats are socialists, or even that Bernie Sanders is a socialist in the same way Stalin was.

You need to think deeply here, at least deeply for a liberal. When Stalin began he did not say he was going to slowly starve 60 million to death from an all powerful central govt. The transition from freedom to big liberal govt is slow. Do you think HItler and Mao and Castro and Pol Pot were honest up front about their plans to grow govt and shrink freedom eternally?? This is something our Founders understood well!!

Welcome to your first lesson in American History!

Thomas Jeffefrson-
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

 

[James972]

Suppose I say it's false. What will you do to convince me otherwise? Tell me to look it up? I don't have time for that. Show me some data that backs up your claim.

why believe that???? when Newt and Clinton converted welfare to workfare fully half decided they no longer needed welfare?. Perhaps because its true???

 

[ashurbanipal]

yes because they sign it

But they don't sign it. They only sign a pledge to not raise taxes.

and Democrats openly oppose it because Democrats and Republicans are different. 1+1=2.

That's not terribly informative. Kind of like saying that sand isn't rain because rain is wet.

You need to think deeply here, at least deeply for a liberal. When Stalin began he did not say he was going to slowly starve 60 million to death from an all powerful central govt.

Is that deep thinking? That people in power deceive others about their intention doesn't strike me as anything more than obvious. It seems to be a fact of human nature, and leaders both conservative and liberal do it.

The transition from freedom to big liberal govt is slow.

Big government isn't necessarily the enemy of freedom.

Do you think HItler and Mao and Castro and Pol Pot were honest up front about their plans to grow govt and shrink freedom eternally??

In each of those cases, yes, they were quite "up front" about what they wanted to do.

Thomas Jeffefrson-
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

Just because Jefferson said it doesn't make it true. Unless, I guess, this is more deep thinking.

why believe that???? when Newt and Clinton converted welfare to workfare fully half decided they no longer needed welfare?. Perhaps because its true???

I'm not going to take your word for it. Show me some data, specifically some data about what half of those on welfare decided at that time.

Also, why don't you put all your responses into a single post, as I have done each time? It's simple courtesy to do so--for one thing, it ensures an interlocutor doesn't miss anything, and it avoids any appearance that you might be trying to pad your post count.

 

[James972]

But they don't sign it. They only sign a pledge to not raise taxes.
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1) yes, they sign a pledge not to raise taxes while Democrats openly oppose such a pledge because they openly oppose the basic principle of American which is freedom from big liberal govt.

 

[James972]

Big government isn't necessarily the enemy of freedom.

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our Founders disagreed and they created the greatest country in human history by far!

 

[James972]

Just because Jefferson said it doesn't make it true. Unless, I guess, this is more deep thinking.
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Jefferson more than any other founder created America to be about freedom and then American became the greatest county in human history so who better to learn from?? Hitler Stalin Mao?? How did their big govts work out? Are you starting to catch on?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

But they don't sign it. They only sign a pledge to not raise taxes.



That's not terribly informative. Kind of like saying that sand isn't rain because rain is wet.



Is that deep thinking? That people in power deceive others about their intention doesn't strike me as anything more than obvious. It seems to be a fact of human nature, and leaders both conservative and liberal do it.



Big government isn't necessarily the enemy of freedom.



In each of those cases, yes, they were quite "up front" about what they wanted to do.



Just because Jefferson said it doesn't make it true. Unless, I guess, this is more deep thinking.



I'm not going to take your word for it. Show me some data, specifically some data about what half of those on welfare decided at that time.

Also, why don't you put all your responses into a single post, as I have done each time? It's simple courtesy to do so--for one thing, it ensures an interlocutor doesn't miss anything, and it avoids any appearance that you might be trying to pad your post count.

I stopped talking to the guy - he honestly equates "big government" with "liberalism" and thinks that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were liberals. No one who desires truly forthright discourse would begin with the assumption of such premises.

 

[James972]

I stopped talking to the guy - he honestly equates "big government" with "liberalism" and thinks that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were liberals.

Actually our liberals spied for Stalin and give him the bomb. Do you know why?

Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the USSR and is an open socialist. Do you know why??

Obama had 3 communist parents, voted to left of Bernie Sanders and supports single payer communism. Do you know what that means?

Norman Thomas( socialist candidate for president) quotes:

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The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.