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How to make an economy grow or not grow: [W:14]

They don't - most businesses do fail..
thats the point, those that survive do so because they supply stuff that improves our standard of living!!
 
if not how can they survive in business against competition??
Lobbying!

It's the highest ROI, dollar for dollar!

Don't tell me you succumb to that old free-market theory from decades past? :doh
 
(how many different industries (not just individual well-connected businessmen) have we bailed-out in the last couple of decades?

no idea what you think this has to do with out subject?????
 
The economy grew from the stone age to here because Republican supply-siders invented or supplied new stuff. In short, supply created demand. After an invention is supplied, demand occurs naturally. When someone finally invented the plow, for example, and thus supplied food more cheaply, huge new demand was created and the economy grew.

So, if we want the economy to grow today we need to praise business and teach our children to heroically be in business, cut or eliminate business taxes, and subsidize most business activity!

"supply created demand"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Here's a clue, guy - as ANY businessman will tell you, NOTHING sells unless there is ALREADY demand. Your example of the plow is a great example of this. Why? Because the demand for a way to make a field more productive was ALREADY there. Look at the automobile - the demand for a way to get from points A to B was ALREADY there. You will never, ever come up with an example of any world-changing best-selling invention that somehow created its own demand...because in every case, from the stirrup to the steam engine to the telephone to moving pictures, the demand was ALREADY there in one form or another.
 
Lobbying!

Conservatives want very very tiny powerless govt so there would be no point in lobbying. Liberals want fascist crony capitalism like Obamacare with lobbyists galore. make sense?
 
The chasm between the stone age and current day civilization is bridged almost entirely without republicans.

You don't get it; here's the shtick: james972 thinks that conservative Republicans are brilliant and that their consciousness has been around since the dawn of man, and that every brilliant idea mankind has ever had has been the result of conservative Republican thinking, and God - not to be out done changed that brilliant consciousness into - The Republican Party. AND !! there's always an and... the lowlifes of humanity invented things like, santanism, communism, drug dealers, pornography, and Satan - not to be out done - created... wait for it... The Democratic Party / the political left.

Hey man, if you want coherent conversation, you gotta be on the same page.
 
well in this sense a winner is anyone who survives in business so the way to start would be to eliminate the business tax completely.

We have this little problem called Huge, Enormous National Debt, but okay, how about a compromise: We reduce the corporate tax to the levels that make us competitive with irelands of the world - AND eliminate all and any corporate subsidies, tariffs and targeted tax breaks. (I would actually argue that the latter will have MUCH greater positive effect than the former - Bros. Koch agreed, last time I checked).
 
Lobbying!

It's the highest ROI, dollar for dollar!

Don't tell me you succumb to that old free-market theory from decades past? :doh

Actually, lobbying is a mechanism that makes democracy so economically efficient and prevents inefficiencies taking over hand.
 
Trump's enterprises went bankrupt repeatedly..

HJ Heinz and most long term companies have 100's of products that go under thanks to the short life cycle of most products. That Trump has $10 billion makes him very very successful at supplying stuff people want! Imagine what you would have to supply to be worth $10 billion!
 
The economy grew from the stone age to here because Republican supply-siders invented or supplied new stuff. In short, supply created demand. After an invention is supplied, demand occurs naturally. When someone finally invented the plow, for example, and thus supplied food more cheaply, huge new demand was created and the economy grew.

So, if we want the economy to grow today we need to praise business and teach our children to heroically be in business, cut or eliminate business taxes, and subsidize most business activity!



I love the quantative research and attention to detail!


.....'...and subsidize business activity"

corporate welfare
 
We have this little problem called Huge, Enormous National Debt,.

actually business taxes like any costs are passed on to customers in the form of higher prices. A business is a tax collector not a tax payer. We have the business tax only to pander to the pure ignorance of liberals. It is very negative in that businesses wastes valuable time and energy trying to evade it , but eliminating would not hurt debt at all, we would just collect the tax from the American people..
 
Conservatives want very very tiny powerless govt so there would be no point in lobbying. Liberals want fascist crony capitalism like Obamacare with lobbyists galore. make sense?
Get rid of government (make tiny, whatever), and you'll have no market competition, only monopoly.

So, how do you intend on getting rid of Congress? State legislatures, etc.?
 
HJ Heinz and most long term companies have 100's of products that go under thanks to the short life cycle of most products. That Trump has $10 billion makes him very very successful at supplying stuff people want! Imagine what you would have to supply to be worth $10 billion!

Nope. Go carefully through his business history. He inherited a lump from his dad, and then it was an orgy of poor business decisions and serial bankruptcies. If he would invested all that money in an S&P500 fund, he would have more than has now. (And it's not $10 billion: the number given by Forbes is about $4B, and Bloomberg argues for $2B-something).
 
How exactly a subsidy is different from a bail-out?

a bailout is generally for a specific company or industry. Republicans want to eliminate all business taxes on all businesses so they won't waste valuable time and energy evading them and so thy can be competitive against lower taxed countries
 
Actually, lobbying is a mechanism that makes democracy so economically efficient and prevents inefficiencies taking over hand.
:lamo
 
The chasm between the stone age and current day civilization is bridged almost entirely without republicans.
But it's clear they regret this dearly, and are trying to get us back there!
 
Conservatives want very very tiny powerless govt so there would be no point in lobbying. Liberals want fascist crony capitalism like Obamacare with lobbyists galore. make sense?

OK, let's agree on some semantics here. If by "conservatives" you mean libertarians - no, we do not want "tiny, tiny" or "powerless" - we want a government that acts in accordance with certain ethical and economic principles (two very interconnected things) and has all equipment to be efficient in its proper role. If by "conservatives" you mean people who wish to block immigration, restrict trade, police our bedrooms, etc - they obviously do not want "powerless government" - they want a government endowed with a lot of power it should never have.

About "liberals" I have nothing good to say (Sorry guys :))
 
Nope. Go carefully through his business history. He inherited a lump from his dad, and then it was an orgy of poor business decisions and serial bankruptcies. If he would invested all that money in an S&P500 fund, he would have more than has now. (And it's not $10 billion: the number given by Forbes is about $4B, and Bloomberg argues for $2B-something).

thread is about supply side not how much Trump is worth!
 
OK, let's agree on some semantics here. If by "conservatives" you mean libertarians - no, we do not want "tiny, tiny" or "powerless" - we want a government that acts in accordance with certain ethical and economic principles (two very interconnected things) and has all equipment to be efficient in its proper role. If by "conservatives" you mean people who wish to block immigration, restrict trade, police our bedrooms, etc - they obviously do not want "powerless government" - they want a government endowed with a lot of power it should never have.

About "liberals" I have nothing good to say (Sorry guys :))

thread is about supply side not definition of conservative or libertarian
 
a bailout is generally for a specific company or industry.

When you say that "business activities should be subsidized", how do you imagine practical distribution of those subsidies? The same mix of misguided economics, political biases and good-old corruption are guiding the decisions made by politicians and bureaucrats.
 
You don't get it; here's the shtick: james972 thinks that conservative Republicans are brilliant and that their consciousness has been around since the dawn of man, and that every brilliant idea mankind has ever had has been the result of conservative Republican thinking, and God - not to be out done changed that brilliant consciousness into - The Republican Party. AND !! there's always an and... the lowlifes of humanity invented things like, santanism, communism, drug dealers, pornography, and Satan - not to be out done - created... wait for it... The Democratic Party / the political left.

Hey man, if you want coherent conversation, you gotta be on the same page.

can you comment on OP?? personal attack is not allowed
 
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