How to make an economy grow or not grow: [W:14]

[KevinKohler]

as I said demand is passive and natural and does not need to be encouraged. Man is always and naturally hungry, for example. It was only after 1000's of years that a Republican genius supply sider came along to supply or invent the plow, to make food easily available, that the economy began to grow. Now do you understand?

Are you Steven Colbert'ing me?

You seem to lack an understanding of the definitions of the terms you are using.

FACT : DEMAND for the plow came before the supply.

Ergo, NOT supply side.

And you're correct. Demand IS constant...that's why supply side economists are simply incorrect in their assumptions about how best to effect economic stimulus. You make a great argument. Thank you.

 

[James972]

When you say that "business activities should be subsidized", how do you imagine practical distribution of those subsidies?

give every business 2% of profits, for example

 

[James972]

FACT : DEMAND for the plow came before the supply.

demand for all the good and services we have today came 1000's of years ago, but nothing happened, millions continuously slowly starved to death until Republican supply siders came along with inventions or supplies that finally made the economy grow. Now you understand supply side economics.

 

[Chomsky]

demand for all the good and services we have today came 1000's of years ago, but nothing happened, millions continuously slowly starved to death until Republican supply siders came along with inventions or supplies that finally made the economy grow. Now you understand supply side economics.

No! :lamo

 

[Cyrylek]

thread is not about Trump

It kind of is, because you are lumping all "businesses" and "businessmen" into one category, as abstract Randian heroes endowed with exceptional creativity. Some get pretty close, most are just people trying to make a buck, and some - like Trump are an infestation in the body of capitalism

 

[James972]

It kind of is, because you are lumping all "businesses" and "businessmen" into one category, as abstract Randian heroes endowed with exceptional creativity. Some get pretty close, most are just people trying to make a buck, and some - like Trump are an infestation in the body of capitalism

you make $10 billion and show us how you did it without supplying $100 billion is stuff people wanted to buy more than anything else they might have bought with their money.

 

[jet57]

can you comment on OP?? personal attack is not allowed

I don't think it's a personal attack by ANY means: it's an analysis on your thesis:

How to make an economy grow or not grow:

The economy grew from the stone age to here because Republican supply-siders invented or supplied new stuff. In short, supply created demand. After an invention is supplied, demand occurs naturally. When someone finally invented the plow, for example, and thus supplied food more cheaply, huge new demand was created and the economy grew.

So, if we want the economy to grow today we need to praise business and teach our children to heroically be in business, cut or eliminate business taxes, and subsidize most business activity!

You go back into human history to show how Republican thinking invented and grew the economy to today's successes and how (Republican) supply side policy invented every new product in history and that brilliant Republican supply actually created demand for things that nobody new about - like the wheel. And that Republican food was there before hunger. And that we should all teach our children to be God fearing patriotic Republicans who invent even greater economies and supply products that people don't even know they need.

So, my analysis followed your thesis to a tee. So it's not a personal attack, but a qualitative response based on your thinking.

 

[Chagos]

You don't get it; here's the shtick: james972 thinks that conservative Republicans are brilliant and that their consciousness has been around since the dawn of man, and that every brilliant idea mankind has ever had has been the result of conservative Republican thinking, and God - not to be out done changed that brilliant consciousness into - The Republican Party. AND !! there's always an and... the lowlifes of humanity invented things like, santanism, communism, drug dealers, pornography, and Satan - not to be out done - created... wait for it... The Democratic Party / the political left.

Hey man, if you want coherent conversation, you gotta be on the same page.

I'll buy it.

It's actually the most coherent argument in here that I've read all day. :mrgreen:

 

[jet57]

I'll buy it.

It's actually the most coherent argument in here that I've read all day. :mrgreen:

GO see post - 57!

 

[James972]

Republican food was there before hunger.

do you have any idea where you got that??????

 

[jet57]

do you have any idea where you got that??????

Yeah - you.

 

[James972]

Yeah - you.

why be so afraid to say exactly where? Why not try?

 

[jet57]

why be so afraid to say exactly where? Why not try?

(chuckle)

It's from your reverence of Republican thinking. I mean, if the Republicans created everything good since, as you say the stone age, then it came from no one other than yourself.

 

[James972]

(chuckle)

It's from your reverence of Republican thinking. I mean, if the Republicans created everything good since, as you say the stone age, then it came from no one other than yourself.

why not try? How will you learn if you are afraid to try?

 

[What if...?]

if you disagree can you say why?? Don't be afraid to try. Thanks

I don't think republicans invented fire, the wheel or a bunch of other core tech.

In fact, businessmen rarely create what they profit from. And those who do the creating often get screwed by businessment.

 

[What if...?]

as I said demand is passive and natural and does not need to be encouraged. Man is always and naturally hungry, for example. It was only after 1000's of years that a Republican genius supply sider came along to supply or invent the plow, to make food easily available, that the economy began to grow. Now do you understand?

Ima say its most likely the plow was just some guy who used it to male more food and others made them for themselves. They were wood and most stuff people just made for themselves.

There was no "Grog's Plows" store because there weren't any stores.

 

[What if...?]

Conservatives want very very tiny powerless govt so there would be no point in lobbying. Liberals want fascist crony capitalism like Obamacare with lobbyists galore. make sense?

Well, the guys who pay to promote "conservatism" want you to think that.

 

[What if...?]

We have this little problem called Huge, Enormous National Debt, but okay, how about a compromise: We reduce the corporate tax to the levels that make us competitive with irelands of the world - AND eliminate all and any corporate subsidies, tariffs and targeted tax breaks. (I would actually argue that the latter will have MUCH greater positive effect than the former - Bros. Koch agreed, last time I checked).

I think we all need to acknowledge that the amorally acquisitive are feeding a dopamine Jones and won't stop trying to get moar money no matter what anybody does. All the countries could raise their taxes and they'd just suck it up and accept what they can still grab.

They spend a lot of money trying to keep us from realizing this.

 

[What if...?]

HJ Heinz and most long term companies have 100's of products that go under thanks to the short life cycle of most products. That Trump has $10 billion makes him very very successful at supplying stuff people want! Imagine what you would have to supply to be worth $10 billion!

He doesn't "have" ten billion. He considers his name worth billions, that's most of his "fortune"

 

[joG]

:lamo

There is a short analysis on that in Calculus of Consent by Tullock and Buchanan you might want to look at. It is really quite a good study of how democracy works and why it tends to be more efficient than other forms of government and indicates, when it might not be.

 

[Moot]

thats the point, those that survive do so because they supply stuff that improves our standard of living!!

...or kills us.

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[James972]

...or kills us.

if stuff kills us or even its the wrong color we don't buy it and the company goes bankrupt. That's the beauty of capitalism. Capitalists are slaves to even the most trivial of our whims

 

[Deuce]

if stuff kills us or even its the wrong color we don't buy it and the company goes bankrupt. That's the beauty of capitalism. Capitalists are slaves to even the most trivial of our whims

Yes, as evidenced by all those struggling/bankrupt tobacco companies

 

[James972]

Yes, as evidenced by all those struggling/bankrupt tobacco companies

the pure beauty of capitalism and freedom is that if the capitalist is not slave to the whims of his customers he will go bankrupt and other competitors will thrive.

 

[SocialD]

the pure beauty of capitalism and freedom is that if the capitalist is not slave to the whims of his customers he will go bankrupt and other competitors will thrive.

I don't completely agree with that. As an example Steve Jobs in talking about why Apple almost went bankrupt while he was not with them .. and of course it surged when he came back , was he said while Apple spent a lot on R&D and focus groups that you have to innovate. create something people don't even know they want.
The real visionaries can make create something that they know they can get people to want.

“It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them.”
— Steve Jobs