How to dam up a "blue wave"!

[independentusa]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13501120/vote-polling-places-election-2016
The GOP has multiple ways of damming up the blue wave. First and foremost are the gerrymandered districts in the states where they control the state legislatures. That is one way they are doing so and there are several others. One is outlined in the article above where in the south they have closed many polling stations, making it harder for many to find and get to the polls. They also have the ID laws and close behind that is cutting people off voting rolls so when they get to the polls they can not vote even with the proper ID's. So I think if I was a GOPer I would feel better about the election in November as they have dammed up the so called Blue Wave and will continue to control the House.

 

[celticwar17]

Where can they not vote with the proper ID's?

 

[jnug]

Where can they not vote with the proper ID's?

North Carolina for one where they are closing polling stations on rather thin logic.

 

[trouble13]

North Carolina for one where they are closing polling stations on rather thin logic.

What is the thin logic?

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[Cardinal]

North Carolina for one where they are closing polling stations on rather thin logic.

You may be thinking of Georgia, which tried to close all voting stations for not having handicapped access. In minority neighborhoods. Fortunately that proposal was defeated.

 

[independentusa]

Where can they not vote with the proper ID's?

It depends on what you call proper ID's. In Wisco when they passed the ID law you could use only four acceptable ID's. At that time they would not accept either Vet Id's or student IDS. They have been forced to change so that they can be accepted both, but we still have one of the strictest ID laws in the nation. We had one lady who was in her 90's and had voted in every election since she was 21 and could not vote because she did not have proper ID. She had been born at home and had no birth certificate. The people at the polling station knew her and had seen her vote for many years, but because she did not have the proper ID they could not allow her to vote. SO, there ID laws and then there are ID laws.

 

[apdst]

It depends on what you call proper ID's. In Wisco when they passed the ID law you could use only four acceptable ID's. At that time they would not accept either Vet Id's or student IDS. They have been forced to change so that they can be accepted both, but we still have one of the strictest ID laws in the nation. We had one lady who was in her 90's and had voted in every election since she was 21 and could not vote because she did not have proper ID. She had been born at home and had no birth certificate. The people at the polling station knew her and had seen her vote for many years, but because she did not have the proper ID they could not allow her to vote. SO, there ID laws and then there are ID laws.

That's because they don't have addresses on them, which makes perfect sense.

 

[independentusa]

That's because they don't have addresses on them, which makes perfect sense.

You seem to be one of those win at any cost, even to our democracy types. Funny thta your avatar is a military person and yet you find it okay to keep a Vete from voting. Very interesting.

 

[celticwar17]

It depends on what you call proper ID's. In Wisco when they passed the ID law you could use only four acceptable ID's. At that time they would not accept either Vet Id's or student IDS. They have been forced to change so that they can be accepted both, but we still have one of the strictest ID laws in the nation. We had one lady who was in her 90's and had voted in every election since she was 21 and could not vote because she did not have proper ID. She had been born at home and had no birth certificate. The people at the polling station knew her and had seen her vote for many years, but because she did not have the proper ID they could not allow her to vote. SO, there ID laws and then there are ID laws.

Well, if she did not have a proper ID...she did not have a proper ID xD... Vet and Student ID's are much easier to forge, and they may not have the systems to check if those are valid.... while they should for other ID's

 

[celticwar17]

North Carolina for one where they are closing polling stations on rather thin logic.

That is not not being able to vote because of having a proper ID...

 

[apdst]

You seem to be one of those win at any cost, even to our democracy types. Funny thta your avatar is a military person and yet you find it okay to keep a Vete from voting. Very interesting.

I find it okay to verify that the people casting votes are actual elegible voters. Enabling voter fraud isn't going to help the democratic process.

 

[Deuce]

That's because they don't have addresses on them, which makes perfect sense.

Why does that make perfect sense? The registration process already checks that they are residents.

 

[apdst]

Why does that make perfect sense? The registration process already checks that they are residents.

No verification at the polls seems like a good idea to you?

 

[Deuce]

No verification at the polls seems like a good idea to you?

The address verification has already happened at this point. It has already been established that Jim Bob is eligible to vote in this precinct.

 

[apdst]

The address verification has already happened at this point. It has already been established that Jim Bob is eligible to vote in this precinct.

Has it been established that the dude standing at the poll, saying he's Jim Bob, really is Jim Bob?

By your logic, anybody could say he's Jim Bob and the poll workers would know any difference.

 

[Deuce]

Has it been established that the dude standing at the poll, saying he's Jim Bob, really is Jim Bob?

By your logic, anybody could say he's Jim Bob and the poll workers would know any difference.

Please recall this conversation is about someone who does, in fact, have an ID.

 

[independentusa]

I find it okay to verify that the people casting votes are actual elegible voters. Enabling voter fraud isn't going to help the democratic process.

SO it is better to stop 200 thousand voters in Wisco, the estimate of those who are eligible to vote but who couldn't because of the ID law, than to have a few, and very few by all estimates, illegal votes? That is like saying better to have thousands of innocent found guilty to keep one guilty person go free. And the reason so many could not vote, the way the GOp controlled how difficult and expensive it was for those who were poor to get appropriate ID's. The government in WISco was told by the court that they had to provide the ID's for free, as to do otherwise was considered a poll tax. Instead the people providing the ID's told people who tried to get the ID's that they had to pay the $20.00 to get them, even after the court said otherwise. People who are trying to pay for food and lodging on the low paying jobs they have could not afford the cost. After finding out that the court had not been obeyed, the state, who are run by the GOP, said, sorry about that. I guess you could say just another day at the office for the GOP.

 

[apdst]

SO it is better to stop 200 thousand voters in Wisco, the estimate of those who are eligible to vote but who couldn't because of the ID law, than to have a few, and very few by all estimates, illegal votes? That is like saying better to have thousands of innocent found guilty to keep one guilty person go free. And the reason so many could not vote, the way the GOp controlled how difficult and expensive it was for those who were poor to get appropriate ID's. The government in WISco was told by the court that they had to provide the ID's for free, as to do otherwise was considered a poll tax. Instead the people providing the ID's told people who tried to get the ID's that they had to pay the $20.00 to get them, even after the court said otherwise. People who are trying to pay for food and lodging on the low paying jobs they have could not afford the cost. After finding out that the court had not been obeyed, the state, who are run by the GOP, said, sorry about that. I guess you could say just another day at the office for the GOP.

If they're registered to vote, they have a state issued ID.

It's impossible to not have a state issued picture ID and function in normal society. Anyone that doesn't, doesn't vote, anyway.

Spare me the "they can't afford it" bunk. If they can't come up with 20 bucks every 4, or 5 years, then they don't have a job and aren't on welfare. You have to have a picture ID to apply for welfare.

 

[Deuce]

If they're registered to vote, they have a state issued ID.

It's impossible to not have a state issued picture ID and function in normal society. Anyone that doesn't, doesn't vote, anyway.

Spare me the "they can't afford it" bunk. If they can't come up with 20 bucks every 4, or 5 years, then they don't have a job and aren't on welfare. You have to have a picture ID to apply for welfare.

The dollar amount is irrelevant. One cent is too much for the right to vote.

Lots of people have an ID, but Republicans intentionally took those off the list of acceptable ID's for voting. Coincidentally the groups using the banned ID's lean Democrat.

 

[apdst]

The dollar amount is irrelevant. One cent is too much for the right to vote.

Lots of people have an ID, but Republicans intentionally took those off the list of acceptable ID's for voting. Coincidentally the groups using the banned ID's lean Democrat.

Voting isn't a right.

A state issued photo ID isn't on the list?

 

[Deuce]

Voting isn't a right.

Going in the signature.

A state issued photo ID isn't on the list?

Correct.

 

[lurchadams]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13501120/vote-polling-places-election-2016
The GOP has multiple ways of damming up the blue wave. First and foremost are the gerrymandered districts in the states where they control the state legislatures. That is one way they are doing so and there are several others. One is outlined in the article above where in the south they have closed many polling stations, making it harder for many to find and get to the polls. They also have the ID laws and close behind that is cutting people off voting rolls so when they get to the polls they can not vote even with the proper ID's. So I think if I was a GOPer I would feel better about the election in November as they have dammed up the so called Blue Wave and will continue to control the House.

Now, if the GOP could get the donald to stop tweeting for 10 seconds the GOP might have a fighting chance.

 

[apdst]

Going in the signature.

Show me where The Constitution guarantees the right to vote.

Correct.

Link?

 

[lurchadams]

Voting isn't a right.

Really? But owning a gun is? By what definition is voting not a right?

 

[apdst]

Really? But owning a gun is? By what definition is voting not a right?

It sure is:

2nd Amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now, which enumerated right guarantees the right to vote.