How the FDA lets chemicals pour into America's food supply

[Revelation]

Stevia has a sort of odd taste to me, like licorice, but I could probably get used to it if I used it more often. I know a lot of people who love stevia.

I don't have an issue with carbs, so I can use honey (and a tiny bit of honey is SUPER sweet so I don't have to use much). And a lot of foods are just naturally sweet anyway, or don't need sweetener. Like yogurt. The first time I tasted plain yogurt I went BLEH! Because culturally, I was used to sweet yogurt. Then I tried it plain one day with berries. And I thought...why did I think this tasted bad? Because I was "expecting" sweet, that was why. I even expected the fruit itself to be swimming in syrup.

No other reason, really.

the Stevia mix tastes better. by itself it can be bitter, we buy the grocery store bags of it which are kind of pricey.

strawberries and blueberries are good in yogurt. my goal is less processed food and more real food with keto/veggy diet at the fore front for health's sake.

 

[NOLA Dude]

actually some diet actually is good/nutritional like Stevia. comes from a plant and should be the only diet sugar allow IMHO

usually comes as a blend and great in coffee and non sweetened food like yogurt. good for people who wanna lower blood sugar and carbohydrates.

I use stevia for my coffee. It's great because it's natural, but even better that it doesn't spike your glucose.

 

[NOLA Dude]

the Stevia mix tastes better. by itself it can be bitter, we buy the grocery store bags of it which are kind of pricey.

strawberries and blueberries are good in yogurt. my goal is less processed food and more real food with keto/veggy diet at the fore front for health's sake.

The true lemon or true lime lemonade packets have stevia and a small amount of cane sugar which eliminates that taste. Only 5 calories.

 

[Revelation]

How many too many?

10,000?

900?

Four?

we can work on Zero. for thousands of years we didn't need toxins in food; let's go back to Zero.

why not have Grocery stores filled with health food and hospitals mostly empty? continue with Zero crime, full employment, no more war and whatever else i forgot.


thanks.

.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

we can work on Zero. for thousands of years we didn't need toxins in food; let's go back to Zero.

why not have Grocery stores filled with health food and hospitals mostly empty? continue with Zero crime, full employment, no more war and whatever else i forgot.


thanks.

.

Okay. Then are we banning cigarettes and alcohol too, the two biggest killers of Americans?

If not, why not?

As far as farm-fantasy grocery stores, please, I'm a hippie, I'd be singing and dancing. But we are supposed to have a choice. This idea of the government being smarter than individual choice, and the idea that we should bow down to whatever the government does with our choices because it's definitely for our own good, is bizarre for MAGAs. And it stands as proof that MAGAs are never for the actual cause. They are for Trump and his lackeys. Period.

 

[Revelation]

Okay. Then are we banning cigarettes and alcohol too, the two biggest killers of Americans?

If not, why not?

Enchanted, there are thousands and thousands of things that need banning.

we are swimming in a soup of toxic chem and EMF.

As far as farm-fantasy grocery stores, please, I'm a hippie, I'd be singing and dancing. But we are supposed to have a choice. This idea of the government being smarter than individual choice, and the idea that we should bow down to whatever the government does with our choices because it's definitely for our own good, is bizarre for MAGAs. And it stands as proof that MAGAs are never for the actual cause. They are for Trump and his lackeys. Period.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Enchanted, there are thousands and thousands of things that need banning.

we are swimming in a soup of toxic chem and EMF.

How about emissions, then?

How can MAGAs be for lifting environmental regulations (um, did somebody say toxins? In the air...affecting literally everyone) but gung-ho on letting the government feed us because they know what's healthiest for us?

It comes down to: MAGAs will do whatever Trump wants. ANYTHING Trump wants, anything he approves of his ass-kissers to enact. And not a thing more or less.

And that is dangerous.

 

[soap box]

Joseph Shea, who sells athletic wear in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, wonders and worries about the food he eats.

The chemical ingredients with mystifying names. The references on product labels to unspecified natural or artificial flavors. The junk food that fits his budget but feels addictive and makes him feel unwell.

Shea, one of 1,310 people who responded to a poll the health policy research group KFF conducted on health care priorities, said he assumes the FDA is making sure the ingredients are safe.

In many cases, it is not.

The FDA's restraints on food ingredients are limited and relatively feeble, especially compared with those in Europe, a KFF Health News examination found. There are at least 950 substances in our food that are not permitted in Europe, according to one expert's estimate, and chemicals linked to health concerns show up in hundreds of products that line the shelves of American supermarkets.

How the FDA lets chemicals pour into America's food supply

The FDA has relied on food companies for decades to determine whether their ingredients are safe.

www.cbsnews.com

I must admit I am shocked that a corporate media outlet would publish an article like this especially with the details provided. Big props to CBS News.

It seems like times are a changing and even CBS News sees the momentum of the MAHA movement and they are jumping on board.

There are a lot of details in this article to go over.

Are you sure you're good with this? I would say I want he FDA to be able to define and test any ingredient in anything sold as something people put in their mouths. But - are you sure you want big government bossing private companies around? I mean, it really sounds like big government telling a company to stop polluting the river, like food companies might be polluting our bodies. So as much as I would like the FDA to be given the authority by law to regulate food additives, I wonder if you like the idea of government taking control like this. As it is, a company can put anything they want into food and they voluntarily report additives and ingredients to the FDA.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Are you sure you're good with this? I would say I want he FDA to be able to define and test any ingredient in anything sold as something people put in their mouths. But - are you sure you want big government bossing private companies around? I mean, it really sounds like big government telling a company to stop polluting the river, like food companies might be polluting our bodies. So as much as I would like the FDA to be given the authority by law to regulate food additives, I wonder if you like the idea of government taking control like this. As it is, a company can put anything they want into food and they voluntarily report additives and ingredients to the FDA.

The FDA can already ban artificial ingredients on their own. I want the chemicals that are banned in other countries due to health risks to be banned here. You can call it whatever you want. The FDA is supposed to protect our food supply and they haven't because they are captured by big pharma and the food industry.

 

[soap box]

GRAS Notices

Generally recognized as Safe - this is a scary list but the reviews are pending.

So we agree on this one. I want the FDA to have that power, and we'll see if they can outmuscle big pharma and the food industry. We agree on what should be done.

But that wasn't my question to you. If I support regulatory agencies like the EPA to protect us from poisons and toxins, or if we're hoping the FAA can keep the planes flying, I feel the same way about the FDA. But isn't that an openly brazen liberal concept that big government won't let big business run wild? I would have guessed the right would oppose this.

 

[aociswundumho]

Stevia has a sort of odd taste to me, like licorice, but I could probably get used to it if I used it more often.

You might want to give allulose a shot. It's considered to be natural, since it comes from corn. To me it tastes just like sugar, but not as sweet, which is kind of a bummer.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

You might want to give allulose a shot. It's considered to be natural, since it comes from corn. To me it tastes just like sugar, but not as sweet, which is kind of a bummer.

I've heard it's good. But as I said, I usually don't need sweeteners that aren't totally natural.

Also, remember that high fructose corn syrup also comes from corn.

Either way...it's still my choice what I put into my body...not the government's.

 

[Variant]

Those Seed oils are horrible for you.

So are French fries since they, at their most basic state, are potato starch covered in oil and fried.

Why do you need sugar in French fries?

It's for natural color and an even baking according to the internet.

Citric acid is citric acid. The stuff you are complaining about comes as a powdered crystal.

It looks like this:

Having microorganisms ferment chemicals? Oh no you might put me off beer.

 

[NOLA Dude]

So are French fries since they, at their most basic state, are potato starch covered in oil and fried.

Are you claiming seed oils aren't bad for us and all oil is the same? Canola oil was a engine lubricant in WW2.

It's for natural color and an even baking according to the internet.

For natural color? Wouldn't that mean not adding anything to it for color?

Citric acid is citric acid. The stuff you are complaining about comes as a powdered crystal.

It looks like this:

Having microorganisms ferment chemicals? Oh no you might put me off beer.

Manufactured citric acid (MCA) is a ubiquitous substance and one of the most common food additives in the world. Approximately 99% of the world production of MCA is through microbial processes using predominantly a mutant strain of the black mold Aspergillus niger

Potential role of the common food additive manufactured citric acid in eliciting significant inflammatory reactions contributing to serious disease states: A series of four case reports - PMC

Citric acid as a food additive is not natural citric acid; it is manufactured through fermentation using Aspergillus niger. Aspergillus niger is a potent allergen. Food additive manufactured citric acid may be causing allergic inflammatory cascades. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You should read up on this subject. You seem very uninformed.

 

[Variant]

Are you claiming seed oils aren't bad for us and all oil is the same? Canola oil was a engine lubricant in WW2.

I think oils effects on the body have to do with their chemical natures not whether they could theoretically lubricate engines for one.

Your thinking is excessively sloppy and ad hoc.

For natural color? Wouldn't that mean not adding anything to it for color?

Baking sugar makes things yellow(ish) due to the process of caramelization. It would be a natural way to do that.

But GASP sugar in my food!

Manufactured citric acid (MCA) is a ubiquitous substance and one of the most common food additives in the world. Approximately 99% of the world production of MCA is through microbial processes using predominantly a mutant strain of the black mold Aspergillus niger

Potential role of the common food additive manufactured citric acid in eliciting significant inflammatory reactions contributing to serious disease states: A series of four case reports - PMC

Citric acid as a food additive is not natural citric acid; it is manufactured through fermentation using Aspergillus niger. Aspergillus niger is a potent allergen. Food additive manufactured citric acid may be causing allergic inflammatory cascades. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You should read up on this subject. You seem very uninformed.

You seem like you can't properly reason.

Using microbes to make citric acid simply isn't a problem unless you're worried about scary words.

Is this the level of thinking you expect our government to employ?

 

[NOLA Dude]

I think oils effects on the body have to do with their chemical natures not whether they could theoretically lubricate engines for one.

Your thinking is excessively sloppy and ad hoc.




Baking sugar makes things yellow(ish) due to the process of caramelization. It would be a natural way to do that.

But GASP sugar in my food!




You seem like you can't properly reason.

Using microbes to make citric acid simply isn't a problem unless you're worried about scary words.

You know nothing about this subject. Get back to me when you do.

 

[Variant]

You know nothing about this subject. Get back to me when you do.

Irony. You being "informed" here is just sloppy/irrational paranoid thinking.

 

[Variant]

From your source:

Potential role of the common food additive manufactured citric acid in eliciting significant inflammatory reactions contributing to serious disease states: A series of four case reports - PMC

Citric acid as a food additive is not natural citric acid; it is manufactured through fermentation using Aspergillus niger. Aspergillus niger is a potent allergen. Food additive manufactured citric acid may be causing allergic inflammatory cascades. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We recognize the limitations of the level of evidence from our four case reports. We cannot conclusively affirm that MCA is the causative factor in the subjects’ inflammatory symptoms.

They did a case study of 4 people to form a hypothesis. Try harder.

This was done in 2018 no proper double blind study is published showing the conclusive results.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Irony. You being "informed" here is just sloppy/irrational paranoid thinking.

Says the guy who thinks all of the oil is the same and doesn't know how harmful seed oils are. You're doing great though

 

[Variant]

Says the guy who thinks all of the oil is the same and doesn't know how harmful seed oils are. You're doing great though

Agreeing with your half baked conclusions isn't really the mark of knowledge.

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[Cope]

Nah, that's nonsense. People shouldn't have to back up every little thing they say-sometimes a claim's just a claim, and if folks don't buy it, that's their problem. Why should I waste my time proving stuff to every skeptic? You really think everyone's sitting around waiting for citations on a message board? What's next, you gonna demand a bibliography for a casual opinion?

Lifestyle's way more to blame than the food supply. You can't just pin it all on what's available—people choose what they shove in their mouths. The food supply's not forcing anyone to eat junk. What, you think it's all some big conspiracy with no personal responsibility? How do you even figure the food supply's the main villain here?

Those bans in other countries don't prove anything. Maybe those countries are just paranoid or pandering to whiny activists. Our food's fine—artificial ingredients aren't the devil. You really think a few chemicals are why people are unhealthy? What about portion sizes or sitting on the couch all day? Why's it always gotta be the ingredients' fault?

Numbers don't mean squat here. The US having 10,000 artificial ingredients doesn't make them all bad-Europe's just playing it safe or being snobby with their 400. More options don't equal worse health.

You think every one of those 10,000 is poisoning us? What's so magical about Europe's tiny list anyway?

fitness is 80-20

The 80 being diet

so no lifestyle is not more to blame

 

[George50]

The FDA can already ban artificial ingredients on their own. I want the chemicals that are banned in other countries due to health risks to be banned here. You can call it whatever you want. The FDA is supposed to protect our food supply and they haven't because they are captured by big pharma and the food industry.

In order to ban something the FDA will need to prove that it is harmful and then enforce their rule.

Give that Trump/DOGE is trying to cut the FDA personnel that prove a substance is harmful and enforce their rules do you think that will help further your goals?

 

[NOLA Dude]

In order to ban something the FDA will need to prove that it is harmful and then enforce their rule.

Okay. They can either use the studies from Europe or do their own.

Give that Trump/DOGE is trying to cut the FDA personnel that prove a substance is harmful and enforce their rules do you think that will help further your goals?

The FDA has been an abject failure so getting rid of the people there that aren't doing their jobs is needed.

 

[George50]

Okay. They can either use the studies from Europe or do their own.

You didn’t answer the question. How are they going to do that if Trump fires the people who would do it?

The FDA has been an abject failure so getting rid of the people there that aren't doing their jobs is needed.

Even if you were correct about failure, that failure would be one of scientists not being assigned the right tasks, that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their jobs, they are doing what they are told to do.

Getting rid of the scientists capable of doing what you want done is going to keep you from accomplishing your goals. Not acknowledging that seems like just a knee jerk defend the current administration at all costs response.