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How the FDA lets chemicals pour into America's food supply

NOLA Dude said:
Are you claiming seed oils aren't bad for us and all oil is the same? Canola oil was a engine lubricant in WW2.
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So what?
NOLA Dude said:
Manufactured citric acid (MCA) is a ubiquitous substance and one of the most common food additives in the world. Approximately 99% of the world production of MCA is through microbial processes using predominantly a mutant strain of the black mold Aspergillus niger

Potential role of the common food additive manufactured citric acid in eliciting significant inflammatory reactions contributing to serious disease states: A series of four case reports - PMC

Citric acid as a food additive is not natural citric acid; it is manufactured through fermentation using Aspergillus niger. Aspergillus niger is a potent allergen. Food additive manufactured citric acid may be causing allergic inflammatory cascades. ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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So what?
 
I gotta ask, is MAHA going to address the lead in our soil caused by 70 years of using leaded gasoline?

Serious question.
 
George50 said:
You didn’t answer the question. How are they going to do that if Trump fires the people who would do it?
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You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. I answered that already:

The FDA has been an abject failure so getting rid of the people there that aren't doing their jobs is needed.
George50 said:
Even if you were correct about failure, that failure would be one of scientists not being assigned the right tasks, that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their jobs, they are doing what they are told to do.

Getting rid of the scientists capable of doing what you want done is going to keep you from accomplishing your goals. Not acknowledging that seems like just a knee jerk defend the current administration at all costs response.
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Yeah okay dude. We have a toxic food supply and the worst chronic disease epidemic in the world. The FDA has been a failure, but keep defending them if it makes you feel better.
 
San Francisco will be happy.

They sued the EPA to be allowed to discharge more raw sewage into their water system... gives new meaning to the world shit hole...
 
Revelation said:
thank you

do you understand the Side Effects of these Toxic shots ??

prolly not.

this is what they list....


WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF THESE VACCINES?
There is a remote chance that these vaccines could cause a severe allergic reaction. A severe
allergic reaction would usually occur within a few minutes to one hour after getting a dose. For
this reason, your vaccination provider may ask you to stay at the place where you received your
vaccine for monitoring after vaccination. Signs of a severe allergic reaction can include:
 Difficulty breathing
 Swelling of your face and throat
 A fast heartbeat
 A bad rash all over your body
 Dizziness and weakness
Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining
outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received SPIKEVAX (COVID-19
Vaccine, mRNA) or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, more commonly in adult males under 40
years of age than among females and older males. In most of these people, symptoms began
within a few days following receipt of the second dose of the vaccine. The chance of having this
Revised: Aug/31/2022 4
occur is very low. You should seek medical attention right away if you have any of the following
symptoms after receiving the vaccine:
 Chest pain
 Shortness of breath
 Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
Side effects that have been reported in clinical trials with these vaccines include:
 Injection site reactions: pain, tenderness and swelling of the lymph nodes in the same arm
of the injection, swelling (hardness), and redness
 General side effects: fatigue, headache, muscle pain, joint pain, chills, nausea and
vomiting, fever, and rash
Side effects that have been reported during post-authorization use include:
 Severe allergic reactions
 Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
 Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
 Fainting in association with injection of the vaccine
These may not be all the possible side effects of these vaccines. Serious and unexpected side
effects may occur. The possible side effects of these vaccines are still being studied.
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When I got my initial Pfizer shots and boosters, we had to read and electronic sign a document that told us not only what was in the shots and what possible side effects there could be and that since it was new, there might be other side effects that were unknown. If you had a medical condition that could be adversely affected by the shots, you were to indicate that and you were put into another line with a nurse who explained what could happen and when placed in the waiting area, we were put in a place with nurses actively walking around checking on us.

My point: people were informed prior to the shot. In fact, I remember many of the possible side effects you listed here as being listed then. And millions of us, even those of us with pre-existing heart conditions such as myself, are just fine.
 
NOLA Dude said:
You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. I answered that already:

The FDA has been an abject failure so getting rid of the people there that aren't doing their jobs is needed.
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You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. That doesn’t answer the question.

NOLA Dude said:
Yeah okay dude. We have a toxic food supply and the worst chronic disease epidemic in the world. The FDA has been a failure, but keep defending them if it makes you feel better.
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You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. I’m not defending the FDA, I’m asking you how is the FDA going to do what you want if Trump/DOGE fire the scientists capable of doing it. You aren’t answering the question, you are just DODGEing it.
 
NOLA Dude said:
Are you claiming seed oils aren't bad for us and all oil is the same? Canola oil was a engine lubricant in WW2.
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That one is pretty funny as your argument would only logically lead one to conclude that there would be a problem if we were draining oil from WW2 vehicles and using it in our food!
 
Allan said:
In another thread you said it was 10,000.

Which is it?

Where did you get the 10,000 number?
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Wile I won't vouch for either number, I'll point out that those aren't mutually exclusive statements.

You can have 10,000 artificial Chemicals in food AND 950 not permitted in Europe.
 
Revelation said:
thank you

do you understand the Side Effects of these Toxic shots ??

prolly not.

this is what they list....


WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF THESE VACCINES?
There is a remote chance that these vaccines could cause a severe allergic reaction. A severe
allergic reaction would usually occur within a few minutes to one hour after getting a dose. For
this reason, your vaccination provider may ask you to stay at the place where you received your
vaccine for monitoring after vaccination. Signs of a severe allergic reaction can include:
 Difficulty breathing
 Swelling of your face and throat
 A fast heartbeat
 A bad rash all over your body
 Dizziness and weakness
Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining
outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received SPIKEVAX (COVID-19
Vaccine, mRNA) or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, more commonly in adult males under 40
years of age than among females and older males. In most of these people, symptoms began
within a few days following receipt of the second dose of the vaccine. The chance of having this
Revised: Aug/31/2022 4
occur is very low. You should seek medical attention right away if you have any of the following
symptoms after receiving the vaccine:
 Chest pain
 Shortness of breath
 Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
Side effects that have been reported in clinical trials with these vaccines include:
 Injection site reactions: pain, tenderness and swelling of the lymph nodes in the same arm
of the injection, swelling (hardness), and redness
 General side effects: fatigue, headache, muscle pain, joint pain, chills, nausea and
vomiting, fever, and rash
Side effects that have been reported during post-authorization use include:
 Severe allergic reactions
 Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
 Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
 Fainting in association with injection of the vaccine
These may not be all the possible side effects of these vaccines. Serious and unexpected side
effects may occur. The possible side effects of these vaccines are still being studied.
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Do you understand the side effects of NOT receiving these shots? Does being 17 times more likely to die from Covid not bother you more than the rare, mostly temporary, non life threatening side effects you list?

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NOLA Dude said:
Are you claiming seed oils aren't bad for us and all oil is the same? Canola oil was a engine lubricant in WW2.
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That is a bad argument. Numerous other countries, mostly Asian countries, cook almost exclusively with seed oils and have better health outcomes than the US.

I wouldn't suggest using seed oils for cooking AFTER they have been run through an engine, but there is no harm in using them fresh.

We use ethanol as motor fuel... should we outlaw it as a consumable? No.

If there is one thing that probably connects seed oils to adverse health impact IN THE US it is that seed oils are cheap and make fried foods cheaper and more accessible.
 
NOLA Dude said:
Yet American food companies keep secret much of what they put in their products.

KFF Health News asked nine of the largest food manufacturers — The Coca-Cola Co., Conagra Brands, General Mills, Kellanova (successor to Kellogg), The Kraft Heinz Co., Mondelēz International, Nestlé, PepsiCo, and Unilever — for the number of ingredients, if any, that go unnamed on their product labels and the names of those ingredients deemed safe without involvement by the FDA, and substances used in their products in the United States but not in Europe, and vice versa.

None provided answers to those questions.

"We focus on the quality of the ingredients that we use, and all comply with applicable regulatory requirements," Nestlé spokesperson Dana Stambaugh said.


I wasnt aware of this. They can put ingredients into food and they aren't required to list all ingredients? That's crazy.

Once again, how is the FDA allowing that to happen?
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My wish would be that every American could spend 7 full days in Europe, on their own. No tour groups or tour guides. They would have the opportunity to learn:

That few or no airport workers scream at you like a drill sergeant when you are going through security lanes. There are even silent airports.

That frequently they will see common use of technology we don't yet have in the US.

They would eat food that tastes much better than in the US, because the food frequently does not include bullshit chemical taste enhancers and preservatives. They would discover that Europeans don't normally put loads of sugar in everything. They would discover that there is local and regional pride in foods and food preparation. French baguettes are good example. They taste much better than they do in the US. The ingredients must adhere to specific ingredients or they cannot be called baguettes. Chicken isn't dipped in bleach at the processing facilities.
 
jmotivator said:
That is a bad argument. Numerous other countries, mostly Asian countries, cook almost exclusively with seed oils and have better health outcomes than the US.

I wouldn't suggest using seed oils for cooking AFTER they have been run through an engine, but there is no harm in using them fresh.

We use ethanol as motor fuel... should we outlaw it as a consumable? No.

If there is one thing that probably connects seed oils to adverse health impact IN THE US it is that seed oils are cheap and make fried foods cheaper and more accessible.
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These 8 studies show you are wrong

 
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Cope said:
fitness is 80-20

The 80 being diet

so no lifestyle is not more to blame
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Nah, you're totally off base. Diet might matter, but saying it's 80% of fitness is nonsense. Lifestyle like sleep, stress, and how active you are screws you up way more than what you eat. You think shoveling kale fixes a sedentary life? What's your logic there? How do you even measure that 80-20 split?
 
MauiMan said:
Nah, you're totally off base. Diet might matter, but saying it's 80% of fitness is nonsense. Lifestyle like sleep, stress, and how active you are screws you up way more than what you eat. You think shoveling kale fixes a sedentary life? What's your logic there? How do you even measure that 80-20 split?
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Oh there are tons of studies about how much more important diet is (specifically to the obesity epidemic which causes lots of other issues)
Now you might be talking about a plethora of other issues that could be correlated to different lifestyle factors (like sleep, stress etc) but the fact remains, if diet were fixed, we would see a great boost to our overall health as a society.
 
Another good thing by RFK

 
NOLA Dude said:
It's absolutely crazy that the American Heart Association would try to keep in place soda and candy for SNAP.

Nobody should ever trust the American Heart Association.
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I suspect this is a lie. Where on the list below, do your quoted manufacturers feature? Then again anyone relying on 'X' or social media in general for accuracy or truth in reporting needs to get a reality check. You can also thank Trump for removing FDA regulations...or did you forget?

www.theguardian.com

Enforcement of food and drug safety regulations nosedives under Trump

Number of ‘warning letters’ sent by FDA has fallen by 33% compared with the most recent equivalent period under Obama
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

 
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NOLA Dude said:
It seems like times are a changing and even CBS News sees the momentum of the MAHA movement and they are jumping on board.
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No, it's just that YOU chose to pay attention to it now. CBS News and others were doing it all along. Here is a random sample for you just from CBS:

2023: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-food-additives-safety-review-california-legislation/

2018: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisc...ods-include-bizarre-fda-approved-ingredients/

2008: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-truth-about-7-common-food-additives-05-08-2008/
 
NOLA Dude said:
Oh wow. 3 articles over almost 20 years.
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I said this was a random sample through the years from CBS itself. I am not interested in showing you 100s of articles that you missed. Just wanted to show you this has been reported on a few years ago as well as many years ago. This was all well known.

MAHA did not discover anything new. Talk to me when they actually do something PRO-health instead of shutting down vaccines and promoting conspiracy theories.
 
Slavister said:
I said this was a random sample through the years from CBS itself. I am not interested in showing you 100s of articles that you missed. Just wanted to show you this has been reported on a few years ago as well as many years ago.
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There is definitely a change in coverage since RFK got nominated. You can claim that's not the case. It doesn't matter to me either way for this subject. It's being covered now.
 
Cope said:
Oh there are tons of studies about how much more important diet is (specifically to the obesity epidemic which causes lots of other issues)
Now you might be talking about a plethora of other issues that could be correlated to different lifestyle factors (like sleep, stress etc) but the fact remains, if diet were fixed, we would see a great boost to our overall health as a society.
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Yeah, right, like diet's the magic fix for everything. Those studies you re raving about? Probably cherry-picked or funded by some vegan lobby. Obesity's a mess, sure, but pinning it all on diet ignores how much sleep, stress, and basic laziness screw people up. You really think just eating kale's gonna undo decades of bad habits? What about genetics don't they play a bigger role than you're letting on?
 
MauiMan said:
Yeah, right, like diet's the magic fix for everything. Those studies you re raving about? Probably cherry-picked or funded by some vegan lobby. Obesity's a mess, sure, but pinning it all on diet ignores how much sleep, stress, and basic laziness screw people up. You really think just eating kale's gonna undo decades of bad habits? What about genetics don't they play a bigger role than you're letting on?
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Not magic at all. In fact, it shouldn't be magical thinking that says that what you choose to ingest/do for your body has a positive or negative association. Why continue to promote the negative?

Why on earth would that be magical thinking?
 
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