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Well, you tell me then. What is Mitt Romney's stance on marriage equality?
It's an election year, of course it is.nota bene said:I'm not seeing it either. I have never heard a word from the pulpit about homosexuality in my life. I haven't witnessed any problems in my community or workplaces either. EVER. Have stood right behind trannies in the grocery store too and nobody said squat. Sure, people looked--what, you aren't going to notice a guy in drag? Please. But I think a lot of this is ginned up.
Well knowing that you are straight you probably arnt going to notice homophobia as much as someone who is homosexual.
The notion that treating all people as equals is "permissiveness" is pretty twisted man.
Who gives a **** about Romney? The OP was talking about hate groups and anti gay activists. I see people debating gay marriage, but nothing to the degree that the OP is speaking of.
Campaigning to deny equal rights to gay people is out of control anti-gay bigotry. In 20 years, probably even 10 years, people will look back at remarks like Romney is making with shock and disgust the same way they look back at comments by white supremacists 50 years ago talking about how it wasn't natural for black people and white people to get married and whatnot. It is so rampant that even the Republican presidential candidate is getting in on it. That is how pervasive it is on the right. It is so rampant on the right that many of you don't even seem to realize how shocking, vicious, ignorant and bigoted it is. It just seems normal to you, you hear so much of it.
Putting words into people's mouths is nice as a "like" getting one-liner, but is poor debate form. This isn't Hannity... I am not referring to equality under the law...as a Christian, I cannot approve or endorse same sex marriages, because such marriages imply homosexual activity, which separates man from God. Being permissive of sinful behavior does not show genuine love to those engaging in it.
Campaigning to deny equal rights to gay people is out of control anti-gay bigotry. In 20 years, probably even 10 years, people will look back at remarks like Romney is making with shock and disgust the same way they look back at comments by white supremacists 50 years ago talking about how it wasn't natural for black people and white people to get married and whatnot. It is so rampant that even the Republican presidential candidate is getting in on it. That is how pervasive it is on the right. It is so rampant on the right that many of you don't even seem to realize how shocking, vicious, ignorant and bigoted it is. It just seems normal to you, you hear so much of it.
No, I don't hear it. This is what is so ridiculous to me.
lol, who am I? I guarantee it's not even close to what you think brochacho.
What you seem to be missing is that nobody is asking you to endorse anything.
All I'm asking you to do is to stop hurting people. Don't try to use government to persecute people who are different than you.
If you want to sit around talking about how you think gay people are the worst thing in the world, that's pretty lame, but it's your right.
But to try to use government to attack them, to try to deny them equal rights, that is a whole different can of worms.
My point precisely. :lol:
I am not referring to equality under the law...as a Christian, I cannot approve or endorse same sex marriages, because such marriages imply homosexual activity, which separates man from God. Being permissive of sinful behavior does not show genuine love to those engaging in it.
Neither I nor anyone I know was roving about trying to break up homosexual relationships prior to this issue become one of national importance, as homosexuality is one sin among many, and homosexuals are in no more need of God's grace than I.
I would respectfully suggest that a church comprised of 55-60 inbred, misguided, and evil people is a classic definition of "atypical example." Obviously.
Your OP used the terms "Christian Right activists," "Right-wing American Christianity," and "right-wing Christianity." Presumably, you understood what you posted, so the definition of "religious right" I leave up to you. Who are these people? What denoms? Who are their leaders?
So I guess I should just keep my mouth shut.
The terms you refer to are in common usage in America. It's certainly not up to me to define them.
I agree that Westboro Baptist is not a typical church (thankfully). My intent is to keep that statement true.
The terms you refer to are in common usage in America. It's certainly not up to me to define them.
I agree that Westboro Baptist is not a typical church (thankfully). My intent is to keep that statement true.
You have no idea whether I'm gay or straight; I've never disclosed this. And you also have no idea of what my life experiences are.
Who, precisely, have I hurt? Who, precisely, am I persecuting?
I don't see marriage as a rights issue, I see it as an issue of definition, as far as the law goes.
I believe that supporters of SSM are taking advantage of the fact that marriage was understood, but never legally defined, as between a man and a woman to create a political issue that the majority of the homosexual community really didn't care about.
Why are you under the false impression that homosexuality and homosexual activity are sinful?
Furthermore, even if it were a sin
why are you in favor of using the government to prevent SSM?
Isn't that an example of you exercising judgement of other people's behavior when it harms no one?
I suppose we should understand that that falls under the same banner as restrictions of other behavior for misunderstood religious reasons - like your opinion is that you should use Roman Tyranny to prevent people from sinning.
Isn't that the justification used by Pontius Pilate to crucify Jesus?
Funny, I thought many conservatives were Christians and would be all over this thread.
Why are you ignorant of Christian doctrine?
Revelation 2:6 said:But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
I think it's reasonable to assume that you have at least been raised in an area where Christians lived and were at least aware of basic Christian stands on social issues, among them being homosexuality. If you think that Christianity permits homosexual activity, you are the one who labors under a false impression.
lol I think this is a tacit admission that you already knew it was sinful to Christians
I am not "in favor of it", strictly speaking. What I am in favor of is marriage being defined as between a man and a woman. Any other legal partnership with a different mix of sexes or number of partners ought not be called marriage. I am in favor of barring the use of the word "marriage" in the law entirely so that both sides get that rhetorical tactic taken away from them.
I exercise judgment on no one, and please do not accuse me of that again.
Homosexual activity is sinful and disfigures the soul, like any other sin, and I would be a poor Christian if I did not acknowledge that. The judgment of all people is God's only, and we ought to help each other avoid sin so we can gain His good graces.
Pontius Pilate didn't really care about Jesus, it was the Pharisees that wanted Jesus dead because of their claim of heresy against him. They pressured Pilate with a threat of a Jewish revolt against his authority, and Pilate was concerned about Rome's opinion of his governorships lack of control over the region. If you read the Gospel, you will see that Pilate tried to give Jesus every opportunity to talk his way out of the crucifixion that the Pharisees demanded.
You use Christianity as a sword to attack, when we are told to use the word of God as a shield. I warn you that there will be consequences to that choice when you stand in judgement before God.
Ephesians 6:10-17 said:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
This is an attack thread against Christianity in the Religion forum.
We're not going to have a fair discussion if you out-of-the-blue attack the "Christian Right" and start calling people hateful homophobes.
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