How sweet it is!!!!!

[Kelzie]

that's a good point. I think to a large degree people aren't really shocked as much by human tragedies of huge scale. We've become a very callous nation.

I don't think it's that. I like to give peope the benefit of the doubt. I read somewhere that the human mind can only recognize and comprehend numbers up to like 20. Beyond that, it just get's lumped into "many". Thousands of people is just to hard to wrap your brain around. You just don't know how to react. Do you understand what I'm saying?

 

[galenrox]

I don't think it's that. I like to give peope the benefit of the doubt. I read somewhere that the human mind can only recognize and comprehend numbers up to like 20. Beyond that, it just get's lumped into "many". Thousands of people is just to hard to wrap your brain around. You just don't know how to react. Do you understand what I'm saying?

yeah, totally. I guess you'd have to be more optimistic than me to end up a socialist, to be SO optimistic to ignore all the history of failure, and the HUNDREDS of years of economic theory and law proving that institutionalized socialism cannot work
What you said reminded me of this talk we had at my church once, we somehow came to speak of this tribe in Africa where they only have numbers up to 3, I think, maybe five, and after which they just say many.
I do see what you mean, but what then needs to be adressed is then why did people donate so much on September 11th, when less than 1/3rd of the people died than died here, according to the recent estimations.

I think that there's also the idea that on September 11th that was done to us, and it scared us. For the most part this is a natural disaster, so fewer people are scared that this might happen to us, and also we feel less empathy, and thus sympathy for the victims. Like, in Chicago, we were real ****ing scared on September 11th. I'm not really too scared about hurricanes here in Iowa.
I dunno, it's just a theory.

 

[Kelzie]

yeah, totally. I guess you'd have to be more optimistic than me to end up a socialist, to be SO optimistic to ignore all the history of failure, and the HUNDREDS of years of economic theory and law proving that institutionalized socialism cannot work

Europe still hasn't collapsed yet....you did promise it would. :2razz:

What you said reminded me of this talk we had at my church once, we somehow came to speak of this tribe in Africa where they only have numbers up to 3, I think, maybe five, and after which they just say many.
I do see what you mean, but what then needs to be adressed is then why did people donate so much on September 11th, when less than 1/3rd of the people died than died here, according to the recent estimations.

I think that there's also the idea that on September 11th that was done to us, and it scared us. For the most part this is a natural disaster, so fewer people are scared that this might happen to us, and also we feel less empathy, and thus sympathy for the victims. Like, in Chicago, we were real ****ing scared on September 11th. I'm not really too scared about hurricanes here in Iowa.
I dunno, it's just a theory.

I think it's a good theory. People are a lot more scared when something could happen to them. And deserver or not, a lot of the people blame the hurricane victims for not leaving. Nobody blamed the victims of 9/11

 

[galenrox]

Europe still hasn't collapsed yet....you did promise it would. :2razz:

It will, it's a process.

I think it's a good theory. People are a lot more scared when something could happen to them. And deserver or not, a lot of the people blame the hurricane victims for not leaving. Nobody blamed the victims of 9/11

yeah, well, what can you do, people will be people.

 

[RightinNYC]

I think it's a good theory. People are a lot more scared when something could happen to them. And deserver or not, a lot of the people blame the hurricane victims for not leaving. Nobody blamed the victims of 9/11

It's very true. In addition, people WATCHED the towers fall. I sat there with probably 150,000,000 other people in this country, watching them burn, and saw the exact moment of falling.

With the hurricane, there was no "play-by-play" video of tragedy. It was an ongoing thing, and only after it happened, was there pictures. People respond very differently to hearing about something that happened, and to witnessing something happen live, not knowing what will happen next. The extent of the damage of the storm was not known for days, while on 9/11 it was immediately clear what happened.

Of course, the reason less money was raised could be because New Orleans is mostly black, and George W, hating blacks the way he does, secretly told everyone not to give them money, in the hopes they would all die.

Could be.

 

[gregg729]

No offense Kelzie, but I'd suck on the tailpipe of the biggest gas-guzzling SUV out there if I ever met a vegan that doesn't bleat the "democrat good, bush bad" mantra. Hell, I'd do the same if I met a met a vegan that had a realistic view of the world. Hell, I'd do the same if I met a vegan who could admit they were wrong and had the ability to compromise.

The Navy dude (all military people are tree-killers I know... I got issued a chainsaw when I got discharged, lol) could be argued to have started this thread just to bait the lefties - but then, what does it say of the lefties when they bite, hook, line, and sinker? (If any vegans have disconnected themselves from society long enough ago to not understand my euphemism, let me know, I'll fill you in....) After the bimbo has gone on record on NPR, saying that Katrina probably wouldn't have happened if GW wasn't in office, I personally would be ashamed to be connected to her in any way at all. I don't know, maybe it's just since I get enough necessary nutrients to my brain since I don't deny myself of the human instinct of eating meats like delicious steaks and such....

Hmmm - I guess I don't care about anything that's being discussed in this thread, I just saw an appropriate point to point out how silly vegans are by suppressing their human instincts, and to point out how hippocritical they are by disregarding anything that is outside their own little (very, very little) sheltered ideology. I dunno, maybe stinky feet interferes with intelligent thought....

I have several friends who have many vegan friends, so don't try to tell me I'm wrong, I already know from experience. Vegans are the type of people that look down on you for wearing a shirt with buttons, but yet try to preach to you how eating meat is evil.... I've never met a vegan that wasn't dumb, and I've met dozens, thank you. It's funny to hear them preach about individuality, if you met one, you met them all.

 

[cnredd]

No offense Kelzie, but I'd suck on the tailpipe of the biggest gas-guzzling SUV out there if I ever met a vegan that doesn't bleat the "democrat good, bush bad" mantra. Hell, I'd do the same if I met a met a vegan that had a realistic view of the world. Hell, I'd do the same if I met a vegan who could admit they were wrong and had the ability to compromise.

The Navy dude (all military people are tree-killers I know... I got issued a chainsaw when I got discharged, lol) could be argued to have started this thread just to bait the lefties - but then, what does it say of the lefties when they bite, hook, line, and sinker? (If any vegans have disconnected themselves from society long enough ago to not understand my euphemism, let me know, I'll fill you in....) After the bimbo has gone on record on NPR, saying that Katrina probably wouldn't have happened if GW wasn't in office, I personally would be ashamed to be connected to her in any way at all. I don't know, maybe it's just since I get enough necessary nutrients to my brain since I don't deny myself of the human instinct of eating meats like delicious steaks and such....

Hmmm - I guess I don't care about anything that's being discussed in this thread, I just saw an appropriate point to point out how silly vegans are by suppressing their human instincts, and to point out how hippocritical they are by disregarding anything that is outside their own little (very, very little) sheltered ideology. I dunno, maybe stinky feet interferes with intelligent thought....

I have several friends who have many vegan friends, so don't try to tell me I'm wrong, I already know from experience. Vegans are the type of people that look down on you for wearing a shirt with buttons, but yet try to preach to you how eating meat is evil.... I've never met a vegan that wasn't dumb, and I've met dozens, thank you. It's funny to hear them preach about individuality, if you met one, you met them all.

No you haven't met them all...especially Kelzie...

First off, she's not a Democrat, so off the bat you're 0-fer-1....I have a 2000 Jimmy and the tailpipe is fresh for you to "suck"....

Second, just comparing any one of her posts to yours already tells me the evolutionary chart is skewed more than slightly in her direction....

10 posts and already you throw out insults, generalizations, innuendo, and just plain nonsense?....The future does NOT look bright...don't bother with the shades...

See that little "Mod Team Member" under her name?...That means she was selected because she is of the highest standards this forum has...If you would like to belittle that fact, go ahead...it will say more about you than any individual on this forum...

I don't know what she has to say, but I will tell you this much....

She MAY tolerate this line of abuse....

THIS Conservative won't....

 

[Navy Pride]

If anyone cares what Cindy is doing, she is traveling, I believe, via bus across the south and midwest promoting her anti-war message with what I can tell is a decent (not great) amount of support).

Well I am sorry it took a Disaster like Katrina to get her out of the news but that is what has happened and to me I could not be happier....It is my belief that this woman was doing true damage to our valiant effort in Iraq as well as demoralizing our troops and like Kerry did in Nam giving aid and comfort to the enemy...............

 

[stsburns]

Bush makes himself look bad enough, the far left didn't need Cindy at all.

Stop stealing my lines Binary! Be original!

 

[Kelzie]

No offense Kelzie,

Anyone else ever notice that when someone starts with this, they're always offensive? Anyone?

but I'd suck on the tailpipe of the biggest gas-guzzling SUV

Hey, if you've got a skill, you might as well use it right?

out there if I ever met a vegan that doesn't bleat the "democrat good, bush bad" mantra.

Well here than, just for you. Democrats bad, Bush bad. Although, strangely enough, I haven't insulted Bush once on this thread.

Hell, I'd do the same if I met a met a vegan that had a realistic view of the world.

I assume you are suffering from the delusion that a vegan diet is "unrealistic". Here's some realism. I'm living seven years longer than you meat eaters. And I probably won't get any of the nasty cancers and heart attacks that you will.

Hell, I'd do the same if I met a vegan who could admit they were wrong and had the ability to compromise.

Well, as soon as that happens, we'll talk. It doesn't occur very often though.

The Navy dude (all military people are tree-killers I know... I got issued a chainsaw when I got discharged, lol) could be argued to have started this thread just to bait the lefties - but then, what does it say of the lefties when they bite, hook, line, and sinker?

Military=tree killers...Never actually heard that one. Are you making stuff up? Cause it's not making you more believable. I've never even said the word "tree killer", much less accused someone of it. In fact, I've chopped down two trees myself. Oh wait. Should I be joining the military now? :roll:

(If any vegans have disconnected themselves from society long enough ago to not understand my euphemism, let me know, I'll fill you in....) After the bimbo has gone on record on NPR, saying that Katrina probably wouldn't have happened if GW wasn't in office, I personally would be ashamed to be connected to her in any way at all.

Bimbo? Hillary Clinton maybe? And if you could find a quote where she blamed Bush for a natural disaster, I would appreciate it. You might wanna try thingspeopleneversaid.com

I don't know, maybe it's just since I get enough necessary nutrients to my brain since I don't deny myself of the human instinct of eating meats like delicious steaks and such....

Wow, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but...Man didn't start out eating meat. Fingernails aren't much good for shredding hide. Not to mention we're kinda slow. And our teeth aren't sharp at all. So, good theory though!

Hmmm - I guess I don't care about anything that's being discussed in this thread,

And yet you still have decided to grace us with your presence. Honored, for sure.

I just saw an appropriate point to point out how silly vegans are by suppressing their human instincts, and to point out how hippocritical they are by disregarding anything that is outside their own little (very, very little) sheltered ideology. I dunno, maybe stinky feet interferes with intelligent thought....

I can see why you thought it would be appropriate to point out your little "issues" with veganism on a thread discussing Hurricane Katrina.

Jesus, I thought I smelled something. Seriously dude, take a shower. It'll clear that little problem of yours right up.

I have several friends who have many vegan friends, so don't try to tell me I'm wrong, I already know from experience.

Oh well, if your friends told you, obviously I would never presume to disagree. And knowing something from experience, by the way, would mean your experience not your friends.

Vegans are the type of people that look down on you for wearing a shirt with buttons, but yet try to preach to you how eating meat is evil....

Shirts with buttons....meat is evil...not drawing the connection. Unless maybe your buttons are made out of meat?

I've never met a vegan that wasn't dumb, and I've met dozens, thank you. It's funny to hear them preach about individuality, if you met one, you met them all.

Hi. :2wave: I'm a vegan. I hate score/grade dropping, but I can promise that there is like 1% of the population that could consider me dumb. Somehow, I don't see you as one of them.

I find this very odd. I have never met one vegan. ONE vegan. And I am one. Strange that you have met dozens, and yet you have to rely on your friend's experiences to form your own opinion.

 

[gordontravels]

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I think I am just stunned at the way the New Orleans catastrophe is being handled -- not only by the government, but also by the media and to a great degree by a lot of us. When the World Trade Center was attacked, the Red Cross raised over $400 million dollars in the first week and $547 million in a month -- when they stopped taking donations. So far, for New Orleans, they have raised a little over $21 million...

You want to compare 9/11 with Katrina? Then start with the media. The vast majority of the media "helped" after 9/11 even though there were the stories of blame. Still, after 9/11 the media poured in with stories of heroism, donation and how to help and how people were helping. The country was energized and the media kept them there with those invigorating stories.

NOW COMES KATRINA and the media for the most part and the Democrats want blame and they want it now. Hillary Clinton calls for immediatel investigation while people should be thinking about donations and helping those in need. If you keep feeding the rumor mills you will naturally cut down on helpful response. To get helpful response you have to show it's needed and concentrate on the victims instead of blame. After 9/11 when the Red Cross had problems accounting the donations dried up. Same goes for Katrina and a media that wants scandal; just listen to them to see.

Yes, Hillary is out demanding investigation into why FEMA didn't work right when her husband's own FEMA didn't work right in 1999 after Floyd hit North Carolina. Then the media was so nice; wonder why? I could call it politics but you would probably just call me wrong. :duel

 

[ShamMol]

Well I am sorry it took a Disaster like Katrina to get her out of the news but that is what has happened and to me I could not be happier....It is my belief that this woman was doing true damage to our valiant effort in Iraq as well as demoralizing our troops and like Kerry did in Nam giving aid and comfort to the enemy...............

Well, that is your opinion which is completely wrong, but hey, don't let me stop you from saying it whenever you can. If she has to be the one to start the anti-war movement, so f-ing be it, I don't care who does, but we need one, and now because frankly a country where what is happening now doesn't have one has some serious issues that are not being adressed...at least they are being adressed.

 

[Navy Pride]

Well, that is your opinion which is completely wrong, but hey, don't let me stop you from saying it whenever you can. If she has to be the one to start the anti-war movement, so f-ing be it, I don't care who does, but we need one, and now because frankly a country where what is happening now doesn't have one has some serious issues that are not being adressed...at least they are being adressed.

That is not just my opinion my friend............That is the opinion of every military man and woman and veteran that I know and I know a bunch of them......When it comes to the vast majority of the military and veterans you people that don't have the stomach to finish this job and want to cut and run and leave thousands of Iraqis to die are in the smallest monority....You can take that to the bank...........

 

[ShamMol]

That is not just my opinion my friend............That is the opinion of every military man and woman and veteran that I know and I know a bunch of them......When it comes to the vast majority of the military and veterans you people that don't have the stomach to finish this job and want to cut and run and leave thousands of Iraqis to die are in the smallest monority....You can take that to the bank...........

That is great. I have three friends who joined the marines right out of high school. One of them just got back from Iraq because of mental health reasons. He doesn't think that. My friend just joined the marines because he wasn't going to college-he doesn't think that. My other friend...well he just isn't that intelligent.

You think I want to cut and run just because I am liberal-idiotic to the max. No, I have said it before and I will say it again....we have to stay there and train our assess off so that we can get a bunch of troops ready and just start handing over power-even if they frankly are pretty green (not that much experience, but enough). That is what we have to do to save our soldiers lives because I don't want Vance and Marty and Eric going back over there.

 

[Navy Pride]

That is great. I have three friends who joined the marines right out of high school. One of them just got back from Iraq because of mental health reasons. He doesn't think that. My friend just joined the marines because he wasn't going to college-he doesn't think that. My other friend...well he just isn't that intelligent.

You think I want to cut and run just because I am liberal-idiotic to the max. No, I have said it before and I will say it again....we have to stay there and train our assess off so that we can get a bunch of troops ready and just start handing over power-even if they frankly are pretty green (not that much experience, but enough). That is what we have to do to save our soldiers lives because I don't want Vance and Marty and Eric going back over there.

You can bet your bottom dollar that this president will not cut and run no matter how much liberals whine..........

 

[gregg729]

No you haven't met them all...especially Kelzie...

First off, she's not a Democrat, so off the bat you're 0-fer-1....I have a 2000 Jimmy and the tailpipe is fresh for you to "suck"....

Second, just comparing any one of her posts to yours already tells me the evolutionary chart is skewed more than slightly in her direction....

10 posts and already you throw out insults, generalizations, innuendo, and just plain nonsense?....The future does NOT look bright...don't bother with the shades...

See that little "Mod Team Member" under her name?...That means she was selected because she is of the highest standards this forum has...If you would like to belittle that fact, go ahead...it will say more about you than any individual on this forum...

I don't know what she has to say, but I will tell you this much....

She MAY tolerate this line of abuse....

THIS Conservative won't....

cnredd - You're obviously a good friend to have. Good for her.

I've stated my opinions of vegans and would gladly.... GLADLY! love to be given a reason to alter my opinions of them. Just so you know, all that's required is to hear from one of them that doesn't blindly - BLINDLY! - subscribe to the same judgemental, stereotyping ideology as the dozens I've already met in person.

I could take this opportunity to describe all the delicious entrees I've had for dinner this week to cement in the vegans' minds how evil I am for denying myself of the natural human instinct to love meat. But seeing how I've made it clear that I've dared questioned their ideology, they already know I'm evil. :mrgreen:

Look, I'm sorry I don't have the internet savvy to wait until my 10,000th post to state this, but I think that the practice of veganism is silly, if not a personal health risk. And the political ideology one must subserve themselves to before being allowed into the "true" circle of Vegans, smacks of a Jonestown-style cult to me... More simply put, vegan-ism not much more, to me, than a psuedo-religious movement whose cult members sacrifice a healthy diet in order to prove to their superiors their shunning of the normal people in mainstream society and their devotion to radical left-wing social policies (in addition to a professed hatred of capitalism and anything pertaining to a free-market society, many of them will freely admit).

No, I'm sorry.... it just reeks of green-Nazism to me. I can't even try to respect a vegan - it's all I can do to be polite to them in person.

If you don't respect my opinions of them, that's fine - I really don't care. Since we're discussing a political/religious cult that is but a tiny fraction of society, I don't waste periods of free thought on irrelevant radical movements - and neither should you.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Vegetarians are religious extremists now? Wow, I guess I missed that boat. Gregg729, your post has so many stereotypes I don't really know where to start. I get the impression you once knew a suicidal goth vegetarian, so now you think all vegetarians are suicidal and goth. I can't think of any other reason to actually compare vegetarians to nazis. There are a dozen reasons why someone might not want to eat meat, and they don't all involve religion or cow hugging.

Instinct or not, the only meat humans need to eat is fish, for omega-3 fatty acids. You can get all the other nutrition you need from fruits, vegetables, and grains. That's not to say it's the "ideal" diet, just that it's possible without supplements.

Anyway, someone like Cindy should step up and protest all the other crap Bush has done. Protesting the war won't do anything, because even most opponents agree we can't leave Iraq for a while.

 

[Kelzie]

cnredd - You're obviously a good friend to have. Good for her.

Yes he is, and it is much appreciated.

I've stated my opinions of vegans and would gladly.... GLADLY! love to be given a reason to alter my opinions of them. Just so you know, all that's required is to hear from one of them that doesn't blindly - BLINDLY! - subscribe to the same judgemental, stereotyping ideology as the dozens I've already met in person.

First off, I would like to comment that it is rather convienient that you ignored my post. Don't actually have any facts to support your position, do you?

You're accusing all vegans of being blindly judgemental and stereotyping? Please say someone else gets the huge amount of irony here.

I could take this opportunity to describe all the delicious entrees I've had for dinner this week to cement in the vegans' minds how evil I am for denying myself of the natural human instinct to love meat. But seeing how I've made it clear that I've dared questioned their ideology, they already know I'm evil. :mrgreen:

If I thought everyone who ate meat was evil, I'd probably be a very lonely person. People are free to eat whatever they want...provided they recognize that my diet is superior to theirs...

Look, I'm sorry I don't have the internet savvy to wait until my 10,000th post to state this, but I think that the practice of veganism is silly, if not a personal health risk.

All of which goes to show that you know absolutely nothing about veganism. The cultures with the longest life spans? Almost entirely vegan. The ones with the shortest? That would be the Eskimos at around 35 years. It should be pointed out that they have the highest level of meat consumption in the world. If your going to make broad, generalizing statements, do a little research first.

And the political ideology one must subserve themselves to before being allowed into the "true" circle of Vegans, smacks of a Jonestown-style cult to me... More simply put, vegan-ism not much more, to me, than a psuedo-religious movement whose cult members

Wow. That's all I can say. Where does one join this vegan "cult" I wonder? Cause they obviously forgot to send me my member card. Think they have a secret handshake?

sacrifice a healthy diet in order to prove to their superiors their shunning of the normal people in mainstream society and their devotion to radical left-wing social policies (in addition to a professed hatred of capitalism and anything pertaining to a free-market society, many of them will freely admit).

For you lack of knowledge on the health benefits of being vegan, see above. Or read my last post.

As for capitalism, I will freely admit that pure capitalism is cold, heartless, and leads to the demise of a civilization. That said, pure socialism is unrealisticly idealistic, and also would lead to a demise of a civilization. I prefer to take the best of the two. Make something of a controlled free market.

No, I'm sorry.... it just reeks of green-Nazism to me. I can't even try to respect a vegan - it's all I can do to be polite to them in person.

If you don't respect my opinions of them, that's fine - I really don't care. Since we're discussing a political/religious cult that is but a tiny fraction of society, I don't waste periods of free thought on irrelevant radical movements - and neither should you.

Green-Nazism? Somehow the belief in the extermination of a group of people, facism, and the desire to rule the world just doesn't seem to fit into the concept of not consuming animal products. But maybe that's just me.

And FYI, there is no religion in veganism...although we do worship seitan (sorry just a little vegan humor :lol: )

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yes he is, and it is much appreciated.



First off, I would like to comment that it is rather convienient that you ignored my post. Don't actually have any facts to support your position, do you?

You're accusing all vegans of being blindly judgemental and stereotyping? Please say someone else gets the huge amount of irony here.



If I thought everyone who ate meat was evil, I'd probably be a very lonely person. People are free to eat whatever they want...provided they recognize that my diet is superior to theirs...



All of which goes to show that you know absolutely nothing about veganism. The cultures with the longest life spans? Almost entirely vegan. The ones with the shortest? That would be the Eskimos at around 35 years. It should be pointed out that they have the highest level of meat consumption in the world. If your going to make broad, generalizing statements, do a little research first.



Wow. That's all I can say. Where does one join this vegan "cult" I wonder? Cause they obviously forgot to send me my member card. Think they have a secret handshake?



For you lack of knowledge on the health benefits of being vegan, see above. Or read my last post.

As for capitalism, I will freely admit that pure capitalism is cold, heartless, and leads to the demise of a civilization. That said, pure socialism is unrealisticly idealistic, and also would lead to a demise of a civilization. I prefer to take the best of the two. Make something of a controlled free market.



Green-Nazism? Somehow the belief in the extermination of a group of people, facism, and the desire to rule the world just doesn't seem to fit into the concept of not consuming animal products. But maybe that's just me.

And FYI, there is no religion in veganism...although we do worship seitan (sorry just a little vegan humor :lol: )

still socialism but good points anyways even though they're wrong, but fuq it I'm a Libertarian I could never agree with a socialist on the concept of the free market anyways,

how's this:

damn the man, save the Republic!

 

[Binary_Digit]

Capitalism works best in a perfectly competitive market, when many firms are producing similar goods or services. Competition and the pressure to increase total profits forces each firm to reduce costs and increase efficiency, which reduces the amount of resources that are wasted during production. The increases in efficiency benefit the end consumer with lower prices among business competitors. There are also low barriers to entry, which means it's relatively easy to start a new company and compete in the market. But capitalism is worst when there's a monopoly or oligopoly. That's its main weakness, when it really gets cold and heartless. No competition means high prices, wasted resources, and lack of innovation. And that's why the government needs to step in at that point.

I don't know much about socialism, except that it doesn't really reward extra personal initiative, and that's its main weakness. If someone spends 30 years of their life researching and inventing the next super computer, they should be rewarded. In capitalism they would, but in socialism they wouldn't. Have I got that right?

 

[Kelzie]

Capitalism works best in a perfectly competitive market, when many firms are producing similar goods or services. Competition and the pressure to increase total profits forces each firm to reduce costs and increase efficiency, which reduces the amount of resources that are wasted during production. The increases in efficiency benefit the end consumer with lower prices among business competitors. There are also low barriers to entry, which means it's relatively easy to start a new company and compete in the market. But capitalism is worst when there's a monopoly or oligopoly. That's its main weakness, when it really gets cold and heartless. No competition means high prices, wasted resources, and lack of innovation. And that's why the government needs to step in at that point.

I don't know much about socialism, except that it doesn't really reward extra personal initiative, and that's its main weakness. If someone spends 30 years of their life researching and inventing the next super computer, they should be rewarded. In capitalism they would, but in socialism they wouldn't. Have I got that right?

Why that's my main problem with the two. :mrgreen:

Actually I would go further with capitalism and say that it relies on a lower class to provide cheap labor, and the two are mutually inforcing.

However, I agree with your thoughts on pure socialism, which is why I am a fan of Euro-socialism. Still maintain private property, but keep a closer eye on corporations to make sure they don't over-exploit people.

 

[galenrox]

No offense Kelzie, but I'd suck on the tailpipe of the biggest gas-guzzling SUV out there if I ever met a vegan that doesn't bleat the "democrat good, bush bad" mantra. Hell, I'd do the same if I met a met a vegan that had a realistic view of the world. Hell, I'd do the same if I met a vegan who could admit they were wrong and had the ability to compromise.

As Kelzie knows full well cause I've been telling her for months, she does not have a realistic view of the world, but I will say she can compramise, and she's smart enough that I'm amazed she's a socialist vegan. So yeah, you've got a promise to fufill

The Navy dude (all military people are tree-killers I know... I got issued a chainsaw when I got discharged, lol) could be argued to have started this thread just to bait the lefties - but then, what does it say of the lefties when they bite, hook, line, and sinker? (If any vegans have disconnected themselves from society long enough ago to not understand my euphemism, let me know, I'll fill you in....) After the bimbo has gone on record on NPR, saying that Katrina probably wouldn't have happened if GW wasn't in office, I personally would be ashamed to be connected to her in any way at all. I don't know, maybe it's just since I get enough necessary nutrients to my brain since I don't deny myself of the human instinct of eating meats like delicious steaks and such....

I have to say that I doubt you're representing her words correctly. I'm just assuming that what she said was that the disaster caused by Katrina wouldn't of happened if Bush wasn't president, which is an argument that is debatable, but has obvious merit, such as his absolute destruction of FEMA, appointing unqualified people to these jobs, etc. And I live on steak.

Hmmm - I guess I don't care about anything that's being discussed in this thread, I just saw an appropriate point to point out how silly vegans are by suppressing their human instincts, and to point out how hippocritical they are by disregarding anything that is outside their own little (very, very little) sheltered ideology. I dunno, maybe stinky feet interferes with intelligent thought....

At least you're a man of humor, which means we'll probably get along. **** gets bad when people take themselves seriously.

I have several friends who have many vegan friends, so don't try to tell me I'm wrong, I already know from experience. Vegans are the type of people that look down on you for wearing a shirt with buttons, but yet try to preach to you how eating meat is evil.... I've never met a vegan that wasn't dumb, and I've met dozens, thank you. It's funny to hear them preach about individuality, if you met one, you met them all.

Kelzie's an exception, and I've met a bunch of vegans too, and understand your sentiment.

 

[galenrox]

Why that's my main problem with the two. :mrgreen:

Actually I would go further with capitalism and say that it relies on a lower class to provide cheap labor, and the two are mutually inforcing.

However, I agree with your thoughts on pure socialism, which is why I am a fan of Euro-socialism. Still maintain private property, but keep a closer eye on corporations to make sure they don't over-exploit people.

we've been over this and over this, all of your ideas are fine as long as it's not the government doing these things. If you want an idea that doesn't involve sucking your economy dry, try labor unions.

 

[Kelzie]

As Kelzie knows full well cause I've been telling her for months, she does not have a realistic view of the world, but I will say she can compramise, and she's smart enough that I'm amazed she's a socialist vegan. So yeah, you've got a promise to fufill

I happen to have a very realistic view of the world. :2razz: That's why I want to change it you capitalist pig. :mrgreen:

Although, thanks for the pseudo-support....

I have to say that I doubt you're representing her words correctly. I'm just assuming that what she said was that the disaster caused by Katrina wouldn't of happened if Bush wasn't president, which is an argument that is debatable, but has obvious merit, such as his absolute destruction of FEMA, appointing unqualified people to these jobs, etc. And I live on steak.

Strange thing is I haven't mentioned Bush once. Although, since you ask, I believe all levels of government own a share in the responsibilty, and since he is at the top of the federal government, than the response is partially his fault.

Kelzie's an exception, and I've met a bunch of vegans too, and understand your sentiment.

Where in the hell is everyone meeting all these vegans?!? I haven't met one, and I go to CU Boulder.

 

[Kelzie]

we've been over this and over this, all of your ideas are fine as long as it's not the government doing these things. If you want an idea that doesn't involve sucking your economy dry, try labor unions.

I'm okay with labor unions, although they aren't wide spread enough to be effective.