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How Siberia was once a separate country. It was older than Muscovy, but in the end, it was absorbed and destroyed…

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one for sure, the hans will be better colonists than Muscovites, Siberia under Moscow occupation is the pure hell ....but i hope that Siberians will use this opportunity and become independent state again

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The Khanate of Sibir was an ancient Turkic state on the territory of present-day Siberia. It was older than Muscovy, but in the end, it was absorbed and destroyed…
Siberia is a region in North Asia, separated from Muscovy's primary territory by the Ural Mountains in the west and bounded by the Pacific Ocean in the east. In the north and south, it is delimited by the Muscovy state border. Siberia covers an area of over 13 million sq km and accounts for 77 percent of the area of modern Muscovy. But there was a time when "Siberia" was the name of a separate country. How did it come into being and why did it disappear?
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... In the 16th century the Tsardom of Muscovy conquered the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates, major "slivers" of the Golden Horde which had resisted the authority of the Muscovy Tsar. The seizure of Kazan was particularly fierce. Although the Khanate of Sibir was separated from Muscovy by the barely passable Ural Mountains, in 1555 the Taibugid khan, Edigei, recognized the authority of Moscow and even began to pay tribute. .... Yermak never returned from his Siberian campaign – he was killed in one of the skirmishes – and Khan Kuchum never surrendered to the Moscow Tsar, disappearing into the steppe and attacking Moscow garrisons for a long time,

 
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The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.


The vast expanses of Siberia would provide not just room for China's huddled masses, now squeezed into the coastal half of their country by the mountains and deserts of western China. The land is already providing China, “the factory of the world,” with much of its raw materials, especially oil, gas and timber. Increasingly, Chinese-owned factories in Siberia churn out finished goods, as if the region already were a part of the Middle Kingdom's economy.

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" Then, a commercial brand called “I’m Siberian” was developed in May 2012. The self-stated mission of the brand’s owners was to offer products with a “unique Siberian style” and “to promote Siberia around the world in its most up-to-date form”. Already on the first day of sales, hundreds of T-shirts, sweatshirts, passport covers and other products were sold under the brand “I’m Siberian”. The store “I’m Siberian”, which originated online and is headquartered in Novokuznetsk, already has several branches in Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Barnaul, Mezhdurechensk, Norilsk and Irkutsk. " https://www.eurozine.com/whats-in-store-for-the-siberian-movement/
 
one for sure, the hans will be better colonists than Muscovites, Siberia under Moscow occupation is the pure hell ....but i hope that Siberians will use this opportunity and become independent state again

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The Khanate of Sibir was an ancient Turkic state on the territory of present-day Siberia. It was older than Muscovy, but in the end, it was absorbed and destroyed…
Siberia is a region in North Asia, separated from Muscovy's primary territory by the Ural Mountains in the west and bounded by the Pacific Ocean in the east. In the north and south, it is delimited by the Muscovy state border. Siberia covers an area of over 13 million sq km and accounts for 77 percent of the area of modern Muscovy. But there was a time when "Siberia" was the name of a separate country. How did it come into being and why did it disappear?

... In the 16th century the Tsardom of Muscovy conquered the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates, major "slivers" of the Golden Horde which had resisted the authority of the Muscovy Tsar. The seizure of Kazan was particularly fierce. Although the Khanate of Sibir was separated from Muscovy by the barely passable Ural Mountains, in 1555 the Taibugid khan, Edigei, recognized the authority of Moscow and even began to pay tribute. .... Yermak never returned from his Siberian campaign – he was killed in one of the skirmishes – and Khan Kuchum never surrendered to the Moscow Tsar, disappearing into the steppe and attacking Moscow garrisons for a long time,


Khanate of Sibir was simply a part of what is now known as Siberia. A tiny fraction of the whole.

Saying "Siberia" was an independent nation is disingenuous. It was MONGOLIAN KHANATE and an integral part of the MONGOLIAN EMPIRE and later forms of Hordes.

So you are admitting the RUSSIANS defeated MONGOLIAN Khanates....

Siberia isn't a "colony".
 
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" Then, a commercial brand called “I’m Siberian” was developed in May 2012. The self-stated mission of the brand’s owners was to offer products with a “unique Siberian style” and “to promote Siberia around the world in its most up-to-date form”. Already on the first day of sales, hundreds of T-shirts, sweatshirts, passport covers and other products were sold under the brand “I’m Siberian”. The store “I’m Siberian”, which originated online and is headquartered in Novokuznetsk, already has several branches in Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Barnaul, Mezhdurechensk, Norilsk and Irkutsk. " https://www.eurozine.com/whats-in-store-for-the-siberian-movement/

So what?

I have shirts that say "California".
 
USA is great , Moscow´s ulus is Nigeria in snow (and all colonies hate Moscow) and you know it

ps
for you

Are you paid to post stupidity?

1. Racist term
2. Russia defeated the ulus
3. There are no Russian colonies.

And your "ps" is obviously an AGREEMENT between Russia and China.

One city =/= Siberia or Manchuria

As I stated territory given by treaty should be returned by treaty.

That is the civilized way.
 
More chance of Russia invading China than the reverse . And once Russia decides to really hit on Chinese incursion into Mongolia , it is game over for Bejing .

Others would not stand any Chinese nonsense -- India , Japan and others are grouping with Moscow to balance or even cancel Silk Road plans .

Just look at Siberia's basic commodity resources and include hydro electricity . Moscow would act out Stalingrad re-runs if necessary to protect those trillions .

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More chance of Russia invading China than the reverse . And once Russia decides to really hit on Chinese incursion into Mongolia , it is game over for Bejing .

Others would not stand any Chinese nonsense -- India , Japan and others are grouping with Moscow to balance or even cancel Silk Road plans .

Just look at Siberia's basic commodity resources and include hydro electricity . Moscow would act out Stalingrad re-runs if necessary to protect those trillions .

End of .

:ROFLMAO:
 
2 " civilized " ulues LOL )))
 
More chance of Russia invading China than the reverse . And once Russia decides to really hit on Chinese incursion into Mongolia , it is game over for Bejing .

Others would not stand any Chinese nonsense -- India , Japan and others are grouping with Moscow to balance or even cancel Silk Road plans .

Just look at Siberia's basic commodity resources and include hydro electricity . Moscow would act out Stalingrad re-runs if necessary to protect those trillions .

End of .
LOL))
 
one for sure, the hans will be better colonists than Muscovites, Siberia under Moscow occupation is the pure hell ....but i hope that Siberians will use this opportunity and become independent state again

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The Khanate of Sibir was an ancient Turkic state on the territory of present-day Siberia. It was older than Muscovy, but in the end, it was absorbed and destroyed…
Siberia is a region in North Asia, separated from Muscovy's primary territory by the Ural Mountains in the west and bounded by the Pacific Ocean in the east. In the north and south, it is delimited by the Muscovy state border. Siberia covers an area of over 13 million sq km and accounts for 77 percent of the area of modern Muscovy. But there was a time when "Siberia" was the name of a separate country. How did it come into being and why did it disappear?
zakharkin_siberia2_468w.jpg

... In the 16th century the Tsardom of Muscovy conquered the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates, major "slivers" of the Golden Horde which had resisted the authority of the Muscovy Tsar. The seizure of Kazan was particularly fierce. Although the Khanate of Sibir was separated from Muscovy by the barely passable Ural Mountains, in 1555 the Taibugid khan, Edigei, recognized the authority of Moscow and even began to pay tribute. .... Yermak never returned from his Siberian campaign – he was killed in one of the skirmishes – and Khan Kuchum never surrendered to the Moscow Tsar, disappearing into the steppe and attacking Moscow garrisons for a long time,


Who gives a shit. Borders change. Texas used to be an independent country too.
 
Texas is great , Muscovy (in all formats) is the hell

 
Texas is great , Muscovy (in all formats) is the hell



Which doesn’t change the point. Texas used to be its own country. Now it’s not. And it won’t be again.
 
" Which doesn’t change the point. "
it does,
1) very short period of time , meanwhile S. is an old country
2) T. citizens lost nothing economically, in human right easpect , etc. and very little politically , S. lost everything, M. is the worst raping - looting horde out there
 
" Which doesn’t change the point. "
it does,
1) very short period of time , meanwhile S. is an old country
2) T. citizens lost nothing economically, in human right easpect , etc. and very little politically , S. lost everything, M. is the worst raping - looting horde out there

1) Texas was still it's own country. With slavery. It joined the US as a slave state and one of the last to free slaves. AFTER Russia. And if "S" means Siberia it wasn't it's own country. It was a Khanate under Mongol rule.
2) And there is no "Muscovy" nor has there been for hundreds of years. And the "horde" you keep babbling about was defeated by RUSSIA.
 
" Which doesn’t change the point. "
it does,
1) very short period of time , meanwhile S. is an old country
2) T. citizens lost nothing economically, in human right easpect , etc. and very little politically , S. lost everything, M. is the worst raping - looting horde out there

Yawn. In other words, you cant actually change the facts so you frantically double down on your bigotry.
 
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