Envisioneer
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We should make it impossible to do harm to society. If an action has a net loss for the value of society then it is harming society and should not be allowed to happen. Doing things that do not benefit the whole society being should not be allowed since this also harms it since if we are not growing the system then it is dying. No one should be allowed to not contribute to the growth of society. Everyone should be encouraged, motivated, rewarded and incentivized to grow society towards the most ethical and rational goals that benefit everyone in the long term existence of society. We need to get serious about the long term future survival and thriving of our society and values. We should create a fortified city that can replicate itself as the population grows at a steady and reasonable rate. The city should adjust to our changing needs like a cell in our body adjusts to its environment and goals. But the people in this city would need to be dedicated to the common good of the city and the world. In order to make sure they will not deviate from the goals of the society, we must reward good and socially beneficial behavior as soon as it happens and treat and change bad behavior and make bad behavior impossible. We can do this by installing brain implants that communicates all brain activity to a computer that is controlled by everyone who is rational and dedicated to the common good. The computer would recognize when someone is thinking about doing harm and when someone is planning to do something good. This computer would make sure everyone is thinking and feeling rationally, efficiently, and ethically. What is ethical thinking and what is not will be determined by everyone according to how well they understand the world and how to progress it and computers and technology would aid the process to eliminate human error. We can already use fmri machines to determine when someone is lying today since lying uses more imaginative areas of the brain and blood flow patterns reveal what areas of the brain are being used. Soon these devices will be hand held and wearable and can even communicate with other brain or computer systems cellularly and electronically. Brain to brain interfaces have been successful already, where one experimenter had his arm controlled and moved by another person who was just had to think about moving his hand. The future can be here sooner than later if we care about solutions to our social problems enough. Soon technology will enable us to use any person's brain resources and knowledge, skills, and wisdom will be in the cloud of minds that anyone can access if they are publicly available or for sale per use, download, upload, or access. The internet of brains will be available in the future. This would enable anyone to contribute to the government decisions according to their level of expertise. Thoughts and actions that aim to cause harm can be eliminated before they happen. There would be no mental illness and no psychopaths since we will be able to use brain implants to provide brain functions that mentally ill people lack.
In the future, no one will understand how some people, in the past, valued "privacy" or the ability to hide from others their intentions, thoughts, and activities. They will wonder why anyone would need to hide such things from others unless they wanted to do harm to society. We have valued things in the past that we consider uncivilized today. We valued the right have slaves and today those rights have been recognized to be harmful to society in the end and they have been abolished today.
The city systems would reward people who do good with more influence over the goals of the city. The most powerful people would be the ones who add the most value to society. Anyone would be able to climb the ladder of power with every action they take to increase their knowledge and understanding of the world and to do good things with their knowledge and resources. If people have to be dedicated to the well-being of the city social system and the world in order for them to gain power, no one with intentions to harm would be able to rise to power and influence.
Please define the following terms relative to your proposal:
Impossible
Harm
Value
Allowed
Fortified
... Wait. I just saw the words "brain implants."
Well, I was trying to take you seriously, but never mind now! :lol:
You made it that far? Second sentence for me... Oo.
...are you suggesting literal thought control or a borg collective or both?
Please define the following terms relative to your proposal:
Impossible
Harm
Value
Allowed
Fortified
... Wait. I just saw the words "brain implants."
Well, I was trying to take you seriously, but never mind now! :lol:
I was thinking the same thing...Or society ought to be omnipotent like the Q continuum?
...are you suggesting literal thought control or a borg collective or both?
The best way to empower and motivate people is to get them education, and ensure that they are never struggling desperately to survive. Most people want to do good, and they will if they aren't motivated by fear.
I was willing to give him a chance to explain himself until I got to the implants, then it became clear that there was simply no point.
This society would make sure everyone is educated and understanding of the world, rational, and dedicated to the common good, so it would not be a small group of people but everyone who cares about the world, which will be everyone since there will be no reason to want to cause harm since the system cares about the ideas and thoughts and solutions of everyone in the society.I think I've found a future that might be similar to what you propose.
Equilibrium (2002) - IMDb
This sentence:
We can do this by installing brain implants that communicates all brain activity to a computer that is controlled by everyone who is rational and dedicated to the common good.
Makes the worst sense out of the entire paragraph. Controlled by everyone who is rational and dedicated to the common good? Who might that be? Who would the entire world trust with such power? Why should such power be controlled by a small group of HUMANS?
This society would make sure everyone is educated and understanding of the world, rational, and dedicated to the common good, so it would not be a small group of people but everyone who cares about the world, which will be everyone since there will be no reason to want to cause harm since the system cares about the ideas and thoughts and solutions of everyone in the society.
I watched that movie but think that we would not need to eliminate all feelings, just make sure no feelings are to cause harm to society. Discontentment is essential for people to desire and make changes happen for the better, it would not make sense to eliminate pain or pleasure since both help us to do good if we know how.
Re-read that sentence a couple of times.
Now does it make sense?
I tried to fit too many ideas into one sentence so it is confusing and I left out a word or a few that would clarify. I mean to say that it would not be a small group of people like you mentioned it might be, because everyone will be educated and have equal opportunities to learn and do good. Another reason everyone will good and able to contribute to the governance of the social system is that they will have no reason to desire to cause harm. The system will make sure everyone's needs are met and that their voice is heard so there will be no one who would want to cause harm because society did not meet their need or solve their discontents.
Am I starting to make sense?
The best way to empower and motivate people is to get them education, and ensure that they are never struggling desperately to survive. Most people want to do good, and they will if they aren't motivated by fear.
Any model for utopia that i've seen invariably carries a loss of free will (to the extent we have any), but what disturbs me is the idea of anyone having unlimited access to my thoughts, or myself to theirs. The entire planet? That is truly a terrifying scenario.
No one is fully rational or 'good' either, so you would need to work on that as well. Even what's harmful to society needs to be defined. There's considerable disagreement on that.
Let's just say I'm not a libertarian because I love being controlled or monitored. If you guys want to join some center hub thought sharing machine you're more than welcome though. Just be sure to keep me the hell out of it.
Being controlled and monitored by caring professionals is not all that bad once you learn to appreciate their service to your greater good.
That's a very dangerous ideal... You could use that to justify so many authoritarian regimes...
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