How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?

[Corbell]

That part in the discussion of the OP is now concluded.

All humans are capable of violence and aggression. We manifest it differently and we have different thresholds before we will become violent.

It proving that republcians are capable of violence was the point, than that was...pointless.

 

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Which was kind of...dumb, because no one ever denied that Republcans were capable of violence. Anyone voting for any human, or group of humans, should...

...already know that?

no, I'm not coddling you.

WT*!

ANyone voting for any human candidate(s) and/or the group that they are part of, DOES KNOW that those humans are capable of violence, if pushed hard enough. THe only question is HOW QUICK to violence are they relatvie to other people.

How is that the only question?

Wow. Google is not happy with that question. FInally found this. Note teh numbers are only for the year of 2020.

Tell Congress to investigate the 2020 BLM/Antifa riots as they did January 6th, National Police Association

In 2020, the United States was subjected to 574 violent riots which resulted in injuries to over 2000 police officers, looting of businesses, over 2...

nationalpolice.org

"n 2020, the United States was subjected to 574 violent riots which resulted in injuries to over 2000 police officers, looting of businesses, over 2 billion dollars in damage to property, and over 20 deaths including that of retired St. Louis Police Captain David Dorn."

By reading the article we can see that their definition of a riot has separated the BLM riots into 574 different events? Who else counts riots that way. By that method, there were 236 riots at the Capitol on J6.

574 is a hard number to find because there's apparently only one organization that's biased enough to claim 574.

I have said that 1000 riots can't erase J6. Trump is responsible for J6 even if the real number was 2000. No riot elsewhere is going to change J6 or Trump's guilt.

Couple of points Soap Box.


1. The last republian riot before 1/6 was over twenty years ago. THere was no way that Trump knew that that riot would happen. It was a rarity.

It's certain he wanted them to protest. I'm not aware of any evidence that he knew they would go inside the building. His negligence is that he was told that Congress was evacuated and he did nothing to stop it, and instead continued tweeting that the protesters would continue.

2. The lefty riots of antifa and blm were POLITICAL, and the dems and liberals supported them in many ways. The lack of a "SINGLE NAME" does not change that.

No number of "Dem" riots will make trump innocent. He's guilty of one. I'm not complaining about BLM because they're not running for president.

3. Trump's role in the 1/6 riot is a valid political point. If you think he actions constitute a crime, that is fine. On the other hand, the over FIVE HUNDRED riots on the left, were a lot more of a crime than that. dozens of deaths. billions in damages. IMO, if you want to look at potential for violence as a point in the campaign, the dems look a lot worse than us meek republicans.

Nobody else is keeping count because a million BLM Antifa riots won't change anything about Trump's guilt and responsibility in an attempted self coup.

 

[Corbell]

By reading the article we can see that their definition of a riot has separated the BLM riots into 574 different events? Who else counts riots that way. By that method, there were 236 riots at the Capitol on J6.

I don't believe that to be true.

574 is a hard number to find because there's apparently only one organization that's biased enough to claim 574.

Do you have a source that you consider non-biased?

I have said that 1000 riots can't erase J6. Trump is responsible for J6 even if the real number was 2000. No riot elsewhere is going to change J6 or Trump's guilt.

Don't ignore the point or the context. THis thread is in the election subforum. It is making a point that the republcians are violent or something like that as a factor in voting. Thus COMPARISON to the alternative is valid.

Your... gaslighting on this is just... silly.

It's certain he wanted them to protest. I'm not aware of any evidence that he knew they would go inside the building. His negligence is that he was told that Congress was evacuated and he did nothing to stop it, and instead continued tweeting that the protesters would continue.

Most of your lib buddies are pretending to believe otherwise. They keep calling it a coup attempt.

No number of "Dem" riots will make trump innocent. He's guilty of one. I'm not complaining about BLM because they're not running for president.

But the dems are. You are not complaining about teh antifa or blm riots, because you want to focus on the one republican riot, to create an illusion that we are teh violent ones,

Nobody else is keeping count because a million BLM Antifa riots won't change anything about Trump's guilt and responsibility in an attempted self coup.

No one is keepoing count, because the goal is to sweep under the rug, the massive wave of riots by the left during the trump years while making a massive deal over the one republican riot.

 

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That Evangelicals are as phony as any religionists that have ever lived.

 

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I don't believe that to be true.




Do you have a source that you consider non-biased?




Don't ignore the point or the context. THis thread is in the election subforum. It is making a point that the republcians are violent or something like that as a factor in voting. Thus COMPARISON to the alternative is valid.

Your... gaslighting on this is just... silly.




Most of your lib buddies are pretending to believe otherwise. They keep calling it a coup attempt.




But the dems are. You are not complaining about teh antifa or blm riots, because you want to focus on the one republican riot, to create an illusion that we are teh violent ones,






No one is keepoing count, because the goal is to sweep under the rug, the massive wave of riots by the left during the trump years while making a massive deal over the one republican riot.

There was the Charlottesville riot, J6 BLM , that's three, what were the other 571? Who is running for president? The guy who is responsible for J6. Ok and then who from BLM is running for president? No one from BLM is running? And trump is running? But no one from BLM is a candidate president. But the man responsible for J6 is running for president.

Look at the thread title. Where does the title ask which party?

Read the thread title. You're asking which party and that's a vague and unsupported claim. Get back on topic-

How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?
You already agreed that protesters intended to kill Pence, so what do you think of that?

Because that's the topic. Not trying some hopeless and unsupportable claim that one side is more violent than the other.

What do you think about the protesters on J 6 who wanted to kill Pence?

 

[Corbell]

There was the Charlottesville riot, J6 BLM , that's three, what were the other 571? Who is running for president? The guy who is responsible for J6. Ok and then who from BLM is running for president? No one from BLM is running? And trump is running? But no one from BLM is a candidate president. But the man responsible for J6 is running for president.

Look at the thread title. Where does the title ask which party?

Read the thread title. You're asking which party and that's a vague and unsupported claim. Get back on topic-

How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?
You already agreed that protesters intended to kill Pence, so what do you think of that?

Because that's the topic. Not trying some hopeless and unsupportable claim that one side is more violent than the other.

What do you think about the protesters on J 6 who wanted to kill Pence?

1. Charlottessvile was not a republican riot. It was far right and far left fighting each other.

2. 1/6 was the one recent republican riot. That was it.

3. The threat to Pence, should be taken as likely not very serious or literal. imo.

4. "BLM" is running Harris. Harris is the side of hte BLM and Antifa riots, all 500 plus of them. The left is clearly more violent than the right.

 

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Considering he betrayed Trump..............

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(Actually it was the FBI or maybe BLM erected that noose)

Lesley O'Toole: Sarah Palin effigy sparks a media frenzy in West Hollywood

Lesley O'Toole: First my neighbour hanged an effigy of Sarah Palin on a rope outside his house. Then things went really crazy

www.theguardian.com

So, what is this saying?

 

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What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism.

nij.ojp.gov

Was there a particular reason 9/11 was excluded from that button sorting study that had a predetermined narrative it wanted to produce?

 

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1. Charlottessvile was not a republican riot. It was far right and far left fighting each other.

2. 1/6 was the one recent republican riot. That was it.

3. The threat to Pence, should be taken as likely not very serious or literal. imo.

4. "BLM" is running Harris. Harris is the side of hte BLM and Antifa riots, all 500 plus of them. The left is clearly more violent than the right.

We're not talking about trying to make a comparison between the parties. If that's your claim then start another thread.

There were many men who wanted to kill Pence and they would have murdered him if they had the chance.

Now go start another thread about which party is more violent. This one is not the thread you want it to be.

 

[Corbell]

We're not talking about trying to make a comparison between the parties. If that's your claim then start another thread.

This thread is about the election and smearing the republcians. That is an unstated comparison. Your denial is dishonest.

There were many men who wanted to kill Pence and they would have murdered him if they had the chance.

The recent history of the republican party, says otherwise.

Now go start another thread about which party is more violent. This one is not the thread you want it to be.

Your denial of the point of this thread is silly. But I undertsand why you CAN'T be honest about itt. THe riots of 2020 alone, was a nightmare. A "mostly peaceful" nightmare.

 

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1. Charlottessvile was not a republican riot. It was far right and far left fighting each other.

2. 1/6 was the one recent republican riot. That was it.

3. The threat to Pence, should be taken as likely not very serious or literal. imo.

4. "BLM" is running Harris. Harris is the side of hte BLM and Antifa riots, all 500 plus of them. The left is clearly more violent than the right.

What a total pile of garbage. You are making off topic claims about Harris and you need another thread that you start. This isnt the thread you wish it was.

Many men would have murdered Pence if they had the chance. It's still true to this day.

 

[Corbell]

What a total pile of garbage. You are making off topic claims about Harris and you need another thread that you start. This isnt the thread you wish it was.

Many men would have murdered Pence if they had the chance. It's still true to this day.

This is about teh election. It is dumb to discuss one party in isolation as though it is not a comparison.


you are tryhing to do that, becuase you know that hte republicans are the part of NOT BEING VIOLENT THUGS IN THE STREETS.

 

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Was there a particular reason 9/11 was excluded from that button sorting study that had a predetermined narrative it wanted to produce?

About Domestic Terrorism!​

 

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This is about teh election. It is dumb to discuss one party in isolation as though it is not a comparison.


you are tryhing to do that, becuase you know that hte republicans are the part of NOT BEING VIOLENT THUGS IN THE STREETS.

Thats a different topic and you can start a new thread. I think your new OP should be "which party engages in more violence than the other?" you could make it a poll.

As far as this thread, How should the threat to Mike Pence's life on 1/6 be viewed?

 

[Corbell]

Thats a different topic and you can start a new thread. I think your new OP should be "which party engages in more violence than the other?" you could make it a poll.

As far as this thread, How should the threat to Mike Pence's life on 1/6 be viewed?

As an unlikely fluke.

MEanwhile the 500 plus riots of the left, killed dozens.


So, vote for TRUMP.

 

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As an unlikely fluke.

MEanwhile the 500 plus riots of the left, killed dozens.

You never were able to identify 521 riots, and you have no verification for that quantity so that's invalid. Doesn't matter anyway.

BLM cannot make trump innocent. BLM cannot make trump guilty. Trump cannot make BLM guilty.
Trump cannot make BLM innocent.

Each is accountable for their own crime.

Trump had his. He is guilty no matter how many other riots happened. But the part you still could understand is that his crimes are about the self coup. He is being indicted for his actions that preceded the riot. Fraud, violation of rights, obstruction, these are his crimes. There's no charge for a riot, and that has been explained several times here. The riot and the self coup are parallel and related tracks in an attempt to steal the election.

So, vote for TRUMP.

If you want to be ruled by a lying authoritarian. You are saying you don't want people telling the truth about trump, and this is your method of deception, to distract the discussion from trump with a false equivalence whataboutism.

You also want this discussion to be about 2024, but you won't accept that the question is specifically about 2020. That's why you need to make your own thread.

 

[Corbell]

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If you want to be ruled by a lying authoritarian. You are saying you don't want people telling the truth about trump, and this is your method of deception, to distract the discussion from trump with a false equivalence whataboutism.

....

Except you're teh one lying by not being honest about what this thread is about.

 

[soap box]

Except you're teh one lying by not being honest about what this thread is about.

Maybe you could pause a moment and read the thread title?

How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?

That's the title of the thread. The threat was in 2021.

You want to divert the thread because trump is responsible for J6 and he sent tweets that enraged the protesters (2:24 pm) that endangered his life. But you don't want people to remember that, so you have conducted this charade.

You can start your own thread if you want to mislead people about the trump.

 

[Corbell]

Maybe you could pause a moment and read the thread title?

How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?

That's the title of the thread. The threat was in 2021.

You want to divert the thread because trump is responsible for J6 and he sent tweets that enraged the protesters (2:24 pm) that endangered his life. But you don't want people to remember that, so you have conducted this charade.

You can start your own thread if you want to mislead people about the trump.

I've demonstrated that I am fine dsicussing the threat to Pence's life, seriously, honestly and in the context of this thread that IS IN THE ELECTION FORUM.

Yes, people voting, should be aware of 1/6 and that a threat was made on Pence's life by the angry mob of republicans.


BUT, it is not the only factor to consider in voting, and it needs to be compared to the alternative, ie the 500 riots of hte dems that actually killed dozens.


YOur desire to just spam the negatives of the republicans while ignoring your own side, is not a legitimate or valid position to hold.

 

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I've demonstrated that I am fine dsicussing the threat to Pence's life, seriously, honestly and in the context of this thread that IS IN THE ELECTION FORUM.

Yes, people voting, should be aware of 1/6 and that a threat was made on Pence's life by the angry mob of republicans.


BUT, it is not the only factor to consider in voting, and it needs to be compared to the alternative, ie the 500 riots of hte dems that actually killed dozens.


YOur desire to just spam the negatives of the republicans while ignoring your own side, is not a legitimate or valid position to hold.

Why is Pence the only VP who refuses to enforce the president he served under?

Is trump responsible for the riot?

Is trump responsible for his attempted self coup?

 

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I've demonstrated that I am fine dsicussing the threat to Pence's life, seriously, honestly and in the context of this thread that IS IN THE ELECTION FORUM.

Yes, people voting, should be aware of 1/6 and that a threat was made on Pence's life by the angry mob of republicans.


BUT, it is not the only factor to consider in voting, and it needs to be compared to the alternative, ie the 500 riots of hte dems that actually killed dozens.


YOur desire to just spam the negatives of the republicans while ignoring your own side, is not a legitimate or valid position to hold.

This is not one of the election forums. This is the polls section.

 

[Corbell]

Why is Pence the only VP who refuses to enforce the president he served under?

Is trump responsible for the riot?

Is trump responsible for his attempted self coup?

Trump is not responsible for the riot.

Are dems responsible for the 500 dem riots? They certainly pushed the various messsages of rioters. THey certainly supported the rioters in many ways up to and including arresting people for defending themselves from murderous rioters.

 

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Trump is not responsible for the riot.

Then you can explain how the riot could have possibly happened without trump.

Are dems responsible for the 500 dem riots?

The people who participated in it are responsible. Which Dem incited them to riot and when? And you have no verification for that number,

They certainly pushed the various messsages of rioters. THey certainly supported the rioters in many ways up to and including arresting people for defending themselves from murderous rioters.

Trump lied about election fraud to enrage his followers. Their anger was based on LIES. He tweeted that they should to travel to DC and then told them to march to a specific place. Name names. Was there are instigator who is running for president now? Yes , trump incited a riot, as well as an attempted coup, he threatened the life of the V P through his dereliction of his duty, and continues to lie about the entire thing to this very day, as he runs for president. BLM and Anitfa can't match that. And besides, 1000 riots can't make trump innocent. He's guilty no matter what riots happened elsewhere.

 

[Corbell]

Then you can explain how the riot could have possibly happened without trump.

My god you are utterly out of touch if you think that TRUMP is responsible for the anger over here on the RIGHT.

I am amazed that we have not had MORE riots from the republicans as you people literally MURDER us for no reason, or arrest us for self defense.

The people who participated in it are responsible. Which Dem incited them to riot and when? And you have no verification for that number,

Pretty much all the dems. ALL the dems support the big lie of this nation being racist or blah, blah, blah, that the antifa and blm rioters use as an excuse and justification and polictical cover for their murders and stealing.

Trump lied about election fraud to enrage his followers. Their anger was based on LIES. He tweeted that they should to travel to DC and then told them to march to a specific place. Name names. Was there are instigator who is running for president now? Yes , trump incited a riot, as well as an attempted coup, he threatened the life of the V P through his dereliction of his duty, and continues to lie about the entire thing to this very day, as he runs for president. BLM and Anitfa can't match that. And besides, 1000 riots can't make trump innocent. He's guilty no matter what riots happened elsewhere.

Trump called for a peaceful protest. And considering how republicans almost NEVER riot, it is completely reasonable that that is what he expected to get, despite how angry we are/were.

 

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My god you are utterly out of touch if you think that TRUMP is responsible for the anger over here on the RIGHT.

I am amazed that we have not had MORE riots from the republicans as you people literally MURDER us for no reason, or arrest us for self defense.









Pretty much all the dems. ALL the dems support the big lie of this nation being racist or blah, blah, blah, that the antifa and blm rioters use as an excuse and justification and polictical cover for their murders and stealing.





Trump called for a peaceful protest. And considering how republicans almost NEVER riot, it is completely reasonable that that is what he expected to get, despite how angry we are/were.

Explain how you can try to claim that trump isn't responsible for the riot.

You didn't name names so that answer doesn't count.

Explain why you think trump isn't responsible for the riot.