How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?

[Hamish Howl]

They show the photo because of what was going on ALONG with the photo. They were chanting to hang the Vice President, the next person in line to the Presidency. That is real. They broke into The Capitol. That is real. They wanted to disrupt the function of our government (which they temporarily did) That is real. Yes, it is unclear what they would have done had they reached the congressman, however they were chanting to Hang Mike Pence. Sounds like intent.

You also didn't answer my question. If a group of people are outside your house chanting to hang your significant other and you can't get out, are actively climbing through your windows, and you see what looks like a noose outside, what would you do?

I'd exercise my 2nd amendment rights. As the police should have done.

 

[Corbell]

I have no reason to believe Enrique is a fed.

Ask me about a fact you wish you knew.

Really? There is credible reports that he used to be one. How do you know that he stopped?

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, it's not. THe democratic party is a large and well organized machine. Doing several tasks at once is clearly within their abilities.

lol

 

[Hamish Howl]

Really? There is credible reports that he used to be one. How do you know that he stopped?

He was a stoolie, but he's still in prison.

 

[BabaVoss]

No, it's not. THe democratic party is a large and well organized machine. Doing several tasks at once is clearly within their abilities.

Then you should be able to clearly articulate his innocence. You can’t, though. Nutcase Empty G believes that “they” (I assume she means democrats) can control the weather, and directed hurricanes to damage red states. I put your claims in the same category. Sheer nuttery.

 

[soap box]

Previously unreleased evidence of an insurrection? WOW. I am shocked and amazed.

Odd that the lefty media hasn't been short stroking it all over the place.


Maybe they feel bad about how hostile they have been to TRump and want to give him a break?

You could read the indictment in the DC case against trump. It doesn't matter if you want to call it an insurrection or not, trump broke laws to change the results of the election.

 

[Corbell]

You've said many times that you posted a link that proves the FBI "found no evidence" of insurrection. The link you posted was from a GOP House document, in which they quoted unnamed "law enforcement officials" as saying "

"The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have ve percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized."

This quote comes from unnamed 'law enforcement officials' and is not an official FBI report.
It says they found 'scant' evidence which conflicts with you repeated assessment of "none".
It gets on to describe "some" were "slowly organized".

Nitpicky, yes, But lying continuously begs to be called out. Just stop lying.

I suggest nothing about the FBI. I am saying your claims are obvious lies. I point you yet again to a dictionary. Jan 6th was in an insurrection. It is a matter of history. Why you refuse to admit this simple fact is beyond me. It is common among trumpers to deny reality.

Yet the fbi investigated and the best report we got from them is that they found no evidence of an insurrection.


Are you implying instead that Trump and his people are masterminds that they organized and did a coup attempt without leaving a shred of evidence?

 

[notquiteright]

How many people have republcian mobs killed in say... the last 10 years?

You mean right wing extremists; they have a track record if you go back a few more years....
However in the 'modern' era- there is always a starting point. You question is like some colonial apologists asking the British- 'Well how many barrels of tea were thrown into Boston Harbor before this??????
There is always a starting point...

 

[Hamish Howl]

Yet the fbi investigated and the best report we got from them is that they found no evidence of an insurrection.

Link to an FBI official saying "no evidence of an insurrection," please.

Are you implying instead that Trump and his people are masterminds that they organized and did a coup attempt without leaving a shred of evidence?

Besides all the feces they left smeared in the capitol building?

 

[BabaVoss]

Yet the fbi investigated and the best report we got from them is that they found no evidence of an insurrection.

Stop making this bullshit claim.

 

[DrewPaul]

Over the course of reading about Jack Smith’s filing in the 1/6 case, I found the mentions of the threat to Mike Pence’s life extremely concerning.

Trump didn’t seem to care at all, in fact seemed to signal he was supportive of the execution of his Vice President.

I hope we can all agree that killing your VP is not good governance. And indeed has no place in American society. Unfortunately the right wing isn’t interested in taking accountability for the damage wrought by Trump and his MAGA cult. I’m still flabbergasted Trump was not jettisoned long ago.

From the looks of it the SS didn't take threats against Trump very seriously. There is no doubt his life is in danger.

 

[soap box]

That makes no sense. What is the "self" part of the phrase.

Is this just some silly semantic game to muddy the waters?

No, it’s not a coup — It’s a failed ‘self-coup’ that will undermine US leadership and democracy worldwide

Latin America has a history of autogolpes, or “self-coups.” Charles Call explains how that legacy can help explain what has happened in America since the November election.

www.brookings.edu

"Trump’s behavior constitutes a self-coup since he has sought to undermine the integrity of the November 3 election and has sought to overturn the results of an election."

The article has a definition and a link to other prior examples.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The actual reality of the situation, is that there was no evidence of what you claim.

As I demonstrated with a link to the official fbi report.

Accept that there was.

The MAGA terrorists built a gallows and then posted signs that read "Hang Mike Pence".

This is a threat whether the reich-wing has the sack to admit it or not.

Covering for MAGA terrorists is a bad look.

 

[BabaVoss]

From the looks of it the SS didn't take threats against Trump very seriously.

How do you get there?

There is no doubt his life is in danger.

Every President and every Presidential candidate’s life is danger, always.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Yet the fbi investigated and the best report we got from them is that they found no evidence of an insurrection.


Are you implying instead that Trump and his people are masterminds that they organized and did a coup attempt without leaving a shred of evidence?

Which liar sold you that particular piece of polished manure?

 

[Nickyjo]

Why couldn't you answer hte question?

To seriously consider your question, which is what I was doing, we have to consider the normal behavior of the people involved.

DO they have a history of violence and murder? Are they experienced murderers?


That is clearly relevant.


I ask you again, over the last ten years, how many people have republican mobs killed?


Actually, I don't think you will ever answer. So, let's jump forward. The answer, as far as I know, is zero.



Republcians do not have a history of political mob murders.


So, while we do have a Death Threat, and a very angry mob. We also know that the history of the movement and the people involved is one of PEACEFUL and LEGAL political activity.


imo, it would be hard to know for certain, what would have happened if the mob had caught Pence. Would they have actually followed though on their murder threat, or would he have faced them down and they sort of just wandered around in the Capitol, as per what actually happened?

Ok, I assume no people have been killed by Republican Party mobs. Or by Democratic mobs. So what’s the point of your asking and my answering?

 

[donhughesmusic]

Trial by combat?

Sounds like shit talk. I mean, yes, it is... "inciting" but was the goal really a riot? I mean the last republcian riot before this, that anyone has cited was over 20 years ago. Republicans normallhy don't riot.

1. The goal was to disrupt the certification of the election, which is disrupting the function of our government.

2. Chris Benoit normally didn't murder his family, but he did that one weekend in question. It means nothing what people "normally" do. What matters is what they actually did.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Are you citing the argument that simply being on that piece of pavement was them "breaking and entering" or are you under the impression that I am referring to a period of time after the mob entered the building?

They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[donhughesmusic]

I'd exercise my 2nd amendment rights. As the police should have done.

Which they did when Ashli Babbitt refused the lawful order.

 

[Lursa]

Violence was started with breaking and entering by the protesters.

And obvious death threats, where they were shouting "Hang Mike Pence" and "Kill Nancy Pelosi" and dragging along an imitation gallows to express their intent.

If you were guarding a building with both those people inside...wouldnt you believe that violence was imminent and intended?

 

[Absentglare]

Most of your list is false, becuase you conflate the righty fringe with the republican party. Or even fbi operations.

Normally I would thus dismiss all of your tainted list becuase of the Gish Gallop logical fallacy.


BUT, you did have one valid example in there, the Brooks Brothers riot from 20 years ago.


Good one. I had totally forgotten that one. A quick check of wikipedia shows no injuries. Do you know if anyone was hurt or killed?


Regardless TWO riots in living memory is still pretty good for such a massive political movement as the REPUBLICAN PARTY.


My point stands. The 1/6 riot is likely a fluke and barring a repeat or a near term rise in mob violence from republicans, I think it is safe to dismiss as a fluke.

Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

 

[BabaVoss]

Trump is not a creative thinker. This exactly what he got impeached for the first time. It’s just another version of “I’d like you to do me a favor though…”

 

[Lursa]

They had knives and guns? How many people were shot and stabbed?

Read what I wrote again. Dont respond with a question, esp after you cut half the post...that is a diversion.

There would be loads of things to use to hang someone...as the noose and to hang them from. Jeebus. And everyone had a belt ​

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It was symbolic: Hanging is an internationally historic PUBLIC political way of killing...but I doubt their plan was to hang anyone. Just maim and kill. They had knives, guns, and bludgeons of all kinds. And we saw the maiming.​

So, after 3 tries you realize your statement on needing the gallows inside to hang someone was nonsense. Good.

Are you actually implying that because they were stopped, they wouldnt have used them? Is that where you want the conversation to go? Hmmm...why were they carrying them?

THe gallows was not a death threat. There was no plan to hang mike pence. It was a symbolic expression of how angry they were.

It was a death threat, it didnt have to be hanging, but yeah, that symbolizes killing for sure. Anger is legal, violence is not, so they chose a symbol of killing and violence. It was a death threat. They were so angry they wanted them to know they were angry enough to kill.

Or are you exaggerating the seriousness of the threat to justify your side's massive crackdown?

What massive crackdown? It didnt stop them from a huge amount of property damage, stealing, shitting on the floors, and beating the hell of out law enforcement. They could have stopped it if they'd shot more of them, right? That stopped that mob behind Babbit, didnt it? Kinda seems like that you are exaggerating "massive."

 

[Lursa]

I like that you are insulting your fellow libs.

The threat was real, the gallows was not. That's just a victimization that the right likes to use..."it wasnt real." The threat was.

 

[Lursa]

I saw teh video of the protestors just standing there, and the cops attacked.

Link to video please.