How should the threat to Mike Pence’s life on 1/6 be viewed?

[Corbell]

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It was symbolic: Hanging is an internationally historic PUBLIC political way of killing...but I doubt their plan was to hang anyone. Just maim and kill. They had knives, guns, and bludgeons of all kinds. And we saw the maiming.

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They had knives and guns? How many people were shot and stabbed?


Or are you exaggerating the seriousness of the threat to justify your side's massive crackdown?

 

[Corbell]

There was nothing misleading about that picture...IMO someone would have to be pretty dumb to believe it was real. And since it wasnt real, obviously it was a death threat...like you wrote, they were angry. Angry enough to threaten to kill.

I like that you are insulting your fellow libs.

 

[Corbell]

Imagine if everyone charged with a crime begins crying “lawfare”. Should our system of Justice respond with a “Awww, ok, never mind”? THAt truly would ‘shit can’ our system of justice. Instead of using the meaningless catch all “lawfare”, why not endeavor to explain exactly how Trump is innocent of the charges he ahs been found guilty of. If you can’t, that means he is guilty as charged - and convicted. And you can’t. That’s why your side tells you to cry ‘lawfare’.

Trump is already a convicted felon. That is already pretty serious. Heh has been charged with multiple crimes in multiple jurisdictions, and there are more trials awaiting him. If found guilty of crimes, he should be treated just like anyone else found guilty of breaking the law. That you suggest otherwise is dangerous and unAmerican.

That's quite a dodge, even for you. No answers. Huh. You cry "lawfare" but fail to explain how or why Trump is innocent. I know why.

Going from an accusation of abuse of the judicial system to what is EVERY court case is assumed to be an abuse,

is not a valid concern.


That's a silly...that's not even a point.

 

[soap box]

Are you suggesting that hte fbi has evidence of an insurrection and is sitting on it for some reason?

Trump is indicted in the Jack Smith DC case.

 

[Corbell]

Bullshit. That’s not true.

I saw teh video of the protestors just standing there, and the cops attacked.

The gallows were there long before the police. It was constructed and placed there at 6:00 am.

Exactly. Long before the protest organizers had any reason to supspect that a riot would break out or that the crowd would turn into a mob and storm the building.

I don’t know what the cops knew or didn’t know, and we will never know, because they will not willingly say how they were involved, or if they were involved.

Well, imo our political leaders should oreder the police and the fbi to release everything they know and when they knew it about the incident. After

all this issue is important to our political... evolution, in the future. The people need to know the facts of the incident, not operate based on possibly

false claims. That is more important than any undercover investigations or methods that they might want to protect.

 

[soap box]

I saw teh video of the protestors just standing there, and the cops attacked.


Exactly. Long before the protest organizers had any reason to supspect that a riot would break out or that the crowd would turn into a mob and storm the building.



Well, imo our political leaders should oreder the police and the fbi to release everything they know and when they knew it about the incident.

You think so?

After

all this issue is important to our political... evolution, in the future. The people need to know the facts of the incident, not operate based on possibly

false claims. That is more important than any undercover investigations or methods that they might want to protect.

Odd post. We know the facts already. You are operating based on false claims.

 

[Corbell]

Ok, what do you think would have happened had the mob caught Pence? Was he dumb to take the advice of those who protected him?

Why couldn't you answer hte question?

To seriously consider your question, which is what I was doing, we have to consider the normal behavior of the people involved.

DO they have a history of violence and murder? Are they experienced murderers?


That is clearly relevant.


I ask you again, over the last ten years, how many people have republican mobs killed?


Actually, I don't think you will ever answer. So, let's jump forward. The answer, as far as I know, is zero.



Republcians do not have a history of political mob murders.


So, while we do have a Death Threat, and a very angry mob. We also know that the history of the movement and the people involved is one of PEACEFUL and LEGAL political activity.


imo, it would be hard to know for certain, what would have happened if the mob had caught Pence. Would they have actually followed though on their murder threat, or would he have faced them down and they sort of just wandered around in the Capitol, as per what actually happened?

 

[soap box]

Why couldn't you answer hte question?

To seriously consider your question, which is what I was doing, we have to consider the normal behavior of the people involved.

DO they have a history of violence and murder? Are they experienced murderers?


That is clearly relevant.


I ask you again, over the last ten years, how many people have republican mobs killed?


Actually, I don't think you will ever answer. So, let's jump forward. The answer, as far as I know, is zero.



Republcians do not have a history of political mob murders.


So, while we do have a Death Threat, and a very angry mob. We also know that the history of the movement and the people involved is one of PEACEFUL and LEGAL political activity.


imo, it would be hard to know for certain, what would have happened if the mob had caught Pence. Would they have actually followed though on their murder threat, or would he have faced them down and they sort of just wandered around in the Capitol, as per what actually happened?

It's called a self coup.

 

[Corbell]

Well sure, republicans are peaceful as long as you ignore their failed violent coup, governor whitmer kidnapping attempts, Harry Rogers driving his vehicle into peaceful left wing protestors, the brooks brothers riot, the Oklahoma City bombing, and all the other right wing terrorism incidents in the US.

But what’s most funny about your appeal to ignorance fallacy is that it doesn’t even try to defend the 2020 coup attempt.

Most of your list is false, becuase you conflate the righty fringe with the republican party. Or even fbi operations.

Normally I would thus dismiss all of your tainted list becuase of the Gish Gallop logical fallacy.


BUT, you did have one valid example in there, the Brooks Brothers riot from 20 years ago.


Good one. I had totally forgotten that one. A quick check of wikipedia shows no injuries. Do you know if anyone was hurt or killed?


Regardless TWO riots in living memory is still pretty good for such a massive political movement as the REPUBLICAN PARTY.


My point stands. The 1/6 riot is likely a fluke and barring a repeat or a near term rise in mob violence from republicans, I think it is safe to dismiss as a fluke.

 

[soap box]

Most of your list is false, becuase you conflate the righty fringe with the republican party. Or even fbi operations.

Normally I would thus dismiss all of your tainted list becuase of the Gish Gallop logical fallacy.


BUT, you did have one valid example in there, the Brooks Brothers riot from 20 years ago.


Good one. I had totally forgotten that one. A quick check of wikipedia shows no injuries. Do you know if anyone was hurt or killed?


Regardless TWO riots in living memory is still pretty good for such a massive political movement as the REPUBLICAN PARTY.


My point stands. The 1/6 riot is likely a fluke and barring a repeat or a near term rise in mob violence from republicans, I think it is safe to dismiss as a fluke.

Trump broke laws in order to reverse the results of the election.

 

[Corbell]

To be objective, it was Giuliani that said "Let's have trial by combat". He incited more than anyone else that day.

Trial by combat?

Sounds like shit talk. I mean, yes, it is... "inciting" but was the goal really a riot? I mean the last republcian riot before this, that anyone has cited was over 20 years ago. Republicans normallhy don't riot.

 

[Corbell]

Violence was started with breaking and entering by the protesters.

Are you citing the argument that simply being on that piece of pavement was them "breaking and entering" or are you under the impression that I am referring to a period of time after the mob entered the building?

 

[Corbell]

Trump is indicted in the Jack Smith DC case.

That looks like a completely seperate issue. The context of this discussion is hte 1/6 riot.


I find the implication that the fbi has evidence that the riot was a planned insurrection and buried it, to be... completely absurd, on many levels.

 

[Corbell]

You think so?



Odd post. We know the facts already. You are operating based on false claims.

We know that facts?

Is Enrique Tarrio a federal undercover asset or not?

 

[soap box]

Trial by combat?

Sounds like shit talk. I mean, yes, it is... "inciting" but was the goal really a riot? I mean the last republcian riot before this, that anyone has cited was over 20 years ago. Republicans normallhy don't riot.

The lies about election fraud are the reason the supporters were there. Trump is responsible for calling them to DC on that day and refusing to stop them. That's not the basis of the legal charges. He broke laws to subvert the constitution in his self coup to remain president.
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Are you citing the argument that simply being on that piece of pavement was them "breaking and entering" or are you under the impression that I am referring to a period of time after the mob entered the building?

Trump supporters broke through a barricade in the west outer security perimeter about the same time trump was finishing his speech at the Ellipse.

 

[Corbell]

It's called a self coup.

First time I heard that phrase, what does it mean?

 

[Corbell]

Trump broke laws in order to reverse the results of the election.

You failed to address anything I said.

 

[soap box]

That looks like a completely seperate issue. The context of this discussion is hte 1/6 riot.

There were two parallel tracks. Illegal means to attempt a self coup on paper is in the indictment. The riot is the other attempt to stop the EC so that state legislatures would rescind their EC ballots and replace them for trump.

I find the implication that the fbi has evidence that the riot was a planned insurrection and buried it, to be... completely absurd, on many levels.

It's in the DC indictment, the newest one. Jack Smith had access to evidence gathered by the FBI. You could read it.

 

[soap box]

First time I heard that phrase, what does it mean?

The best example is denial of the results of an election and lying about fraud to mess with the Electoral College process in 2020.

 

[BabaVoss]

“Imagine if everyone charged with a crime begins crying “lawfare”. Should our system of Justice respond with a “Awww, ok, never mind”? THAt truly would ‘shit can’ our system of justice. Instead of using the meaningless catch all “lawfare”, why not endeavor to explain exactly how Trump is innocent of the charges he ahs been found guilty of. If you can’t, that means he is guilty as charged - and convicted. And you can’t. That’s why your side tells you to cry ‘lawfare’.

Trump is already a convicted felon. That is already pretty serious. Heh has been charged with multiple crimes in multiple jurisdictions, and there are more trials awaiting him. If found guilty of crimes, he should be treated just like anyone else found guilty of breaking the law. That you suggest otherwise is dangerous and unAmerican.

That's quite a dodge, even for you. No answers. Huh. You cry "lawfare" but fail to explain how or why Trump is innocent. I know why.”

Going from an accusation of abuse of the judicial system to what is EVERY court case is assumed to be an abuse,

is not a valid concern.


That's a silly...that's not even a point.

The common denominator among a myriad of cases in various jurisdictions is Donald Trump. It is simply absurd to claim all of these to be ‘abuse of the judicial system’. Especially since no one is able to present a rational description of Trump’s innocence. He is justly labeled ‘a convicted felon’.

 

[soap box]

We know that facts?

Is Enrique Tarrio a federal undercover asset or not?

I have no reason to believe Enrique is a fed.

Ask me about a fact you wish you knew.

 

[BabaVoss]

You've said many times that you posted a link that proves the FBI "found no evidence" of insurrection. The link you posted was from a GOP House document, in which they quoted unnamed "law enforcement officials" as saying "

"The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have ve percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized."

This quote comes from unnamed 'law enforcement officials' and is not an official FBI report.
It says they found 'scant' evidence which conflicts with you repeated assessment of "none".
It gets on to describe "some" were "slowly organized".

Nitpicky, yes, But lying continuously begs to be called out. Just stop lying.

Are you suggesting that hte fbi has evidence of an insurrection and is sitting on it for some reason?

I suggest nothing about the FBI. I am saying your claims are obvious lies. I point you yet again to a dictionary. Jan 6th was in an insurrection. It is a matter of history. Why you refuse to admit this simple fact is beyond me. It is common among trumpers to deny reality.

 

[Corbell]

There were two parallel tracks. Illegal means to attempt a self coup on paper is in the indictment. The riot is the other attempt to stop the EC so that state legislatures would rescind their EC ballots and replace them for trump.



It's in the DC indictment, the newest one. Jack Smith had access to evidence gathered by the FBI. You could read it.

Previously unreleased evidence of an insurrection? WOW. I am shocked and amazed.

Odd that the lefty media hasn't been short stroking it all over the place.


Maybe they feel bad about how hostile they have been to TRump and want to give him a break?

 

[Corbell]

The best example is denial of the results of an election and lying about fraud to mess with the Electoral College process in 2020.

That makes no sense. What is the "self" part of the phrase.

Is this just some silly semantic game to muddy the waters?

 

[Corbell]

“Imagine if everyone charged with a crime begins crying “lawfare”. Should our system of Justice respond with a “Awww, ok, never mind”? THAt truly would ‘shit can’ our system of justice. Instead of using the meaningless catch all “lawfare”, why not endeavor to explain exactly how Trump is innocent of the charges he ahs been found guilty of. If you can’t, that means he is guilty as charged - and convicted. And you can’t. That’s why your side tells you to cry ‘lawfare’.

Trump is already a convicted felon. That is already pretty serious. Heh has been charged with multiple crimes in multiple jurisdictions, and there are more trials awaiting him. If found guilty of crimes, he should be treated just like anyone else found guilty of breaking the law. That you suggest otherwise is dangerous and unAmerican.

That's quite a dodge, even for you. No answers. Huh. You cry "lawfare" but fail to explain how or why Trump is innocent. I know why.”

The common denominator among a myriad of cases in various jurisdictions is Donald Trump. It is simply absurd to claim all of these to be ‘abuse of the judicial system’. Especially since no one is able to present a rational description of Trump’s innocence. He is justly labeled ‘a convicted felon’.

No, it's not. THe democratic party is a large and well organized machine. Doing several tasks at once is clearly within their abilities.