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How Serious Is This? Consider What The FBI Would Do To Us

Geoist said:
So using the word 'accelerationist' makes one an accelerationist? I know he's a bit of a prepper, but being a prepper doesn't make you an accelerationist.

Post the video. Show us some damned context.



Black Panthers literally marched down the streets with semi-autos. Beau is a left-anarchist and, in case you didn't realize it, leftists tend to be more pro-gun than liberals and soc-dems.
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Ok, if he's just a pro gun anarchist prepper who simply tells accelerationists how to prepare for the collapse of civilization or whatever, that's not far from what I've called him and would settle for splitting hairs.
 
tacomancer said:
And your proof of this is…
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If what Trump has is limited to TS/SCI, she had more sensitive docs, as she had SAP information on there.

But we don't have a good readout yet of what they pulled.
 
VySky said:
Hillary wasn’t and she had same level classified docs.
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Did she faces the same charges we are hearing that Trump may be facing?
 
Metric Mouse said:
Ok, if he's just a pro gun anarchist prepper who simply tells accelerationists how to prepare for the collapse of civilization or whatever, that's not far from what I've called him and would settle for splitting hairs.
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An accelerationist seeks to make things get as bad as possible so they can reach their goals faster (remember talking about Jimmy Dore? Well, he's an accelerationist). I have never heard Beau say anything to indicate he is one himself. In fact, I've seen the opposite. Best way you can tell if someone is an accelerationist is if they support voting for the lesser evil or voting third party. If they vote for lesser evil then they are a pragmatist. If they vote third party then they are likely an accelerationist. Beau advocates voting lesser evil (Democratic). He's a pragmatist.
 
AmNat said:
Wow. Hundreds of thousands of people listen to a delusional person on YouTube (assuming that OP's summation of the video is accurate).
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Yes. We need to stop listening to delusional people and go nuke some hurricanes, stick bleach up our behinds, and chase after stolen American presidential elections for a couple more years.
 
cpwill said:
If what Trump has is limited to TS/SCI, she had more sensitive docs, as she had SAP information on there.

But we don't have a good readout yet of what they pulled.
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send em both to jail
 
VySky said:
Hillary wasn’t and she had same level classified docs.
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Hillary was ... odd. She had documents that were once classified then be declassified. But, none of her documents were withheld from the National Archives I don't believe.

I think the headline one must take away from this, though, is that Hillary was not in breach of this particular classified information law. Why? Because Trump himself signed that law in 2018. Ms. Clinton could not have broken this particular law about the National Archives because it was not in existence. Hillary also should have been charged with breach of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA), but that's neither here nor there.

As far as Espionage Act -- look, if we're going to say that holding what were apparently hard copies of classified information that were being withheld from the new government is the gold standard, then Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning (who last I know was being held because she wouldn't testify against Assange) must be set free.
 
Geoist said:
Honestly, keep saying you aren't stuck in a cult hivemind while defending Dear Leader for taking top secret/nuclear documents! Absolutely sickening.

If you libs/leftists aren't subbed to Beau of the Fifth Column on YT I strongly recommend it. Short and to the point videos. He's a deep thinker and a quick wit.

Anyways, here are a few of his thoughts on the news, particularly about the Top Secret SCI-designated documents:

"[TS/SCI documents] are so secret they can only be viewed in a room specifically designed to protect secrets."

"[Some say], 'If I did this they would've already arrested me' No, if you did this you'd be in a basement somewhere being interrogated until you talked, and they would not hold anything back."

"Some say], 'I'd be looking at 10-20.' No, if you took SCI documents, had the opportunity to return them, elected not to, and went about your day probably meeting with foreign nationals, no you wouldn't be looking at 10-20. 10-20 would be what the groundskeeper tells your family when they go to visit you. Row 10, Plot 20."

"If you choose to stand beside this man politically after this, you never get to talk about supporting the troops again because you are putting them at risk. You never get to talk about wanting a strong country again, because you're weakening it. You never get to talk about how diversity training is weakening the military, because nothing weakens it more than not being able to protect its secrets."

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Please show us copies of these documents.

This is nothing more than the asinine "talking heads" idiots on CNN and msnbc trying to make a worst-case scenario.

Tell me, what would Trump or anyone else not a nuclear physicist want items they can't possibly read? All super-heavy math and other things lay people would think is greek.

This is nothing more than Talking Heads hysteria up all night playing an uber-game of "what if...". i.e., sheer stupidity and madness coming from the same talking heads that brought us the conspiracy involving paper in the toilets and only shut up after the faint name of Andrew Jackson was barely legible on part of a piece of paper in the sewer system.
 
AmNat said:
Wow. Hundreds of thousands of people listen to a delusional person on YouTube (assuming that OP's summation of the video is accurate).
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Do you listen to and believe Trump?
 
jcgriff2 said:
Please show us copies of these documents.

This is nothing more than the asinine "talking heads" idiots on CNN and msnbc trying to make a worst-case scenario.

Tell me, what would Trump or anyone else not a nuclear physicist want items they can't possibly read? All super-heavy math and other things lay people would think is greek.

This is nothing more than Talking Heads hysteria up all night playing an uber-game of "what if...". i.e., sheer stupidity and madness coming from the same talking heads that brought us the conspiracy involving paper in the toilets and only shut up after the faint name of Andrew Jackson was barely legible on part of a piece of paper in the sewer system.
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Hillary used a private server which was idiotic, like Trump who kept using his unsecured phone to make official calls.
 
tacomancer said:
send em both to jail
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That's the problem, though - we let one off the hook, because she was a democratic nominee for president. With Trump potentially running again, it's hard to see how half the country doesn't see a prosecution for potentially a lesser version of the same offense as clear proof of a weaponized domestic law enforcement.

Heck, I'm no Trump fan, I'm a law and order guy, and I'd probably see it that way, if what we know about now it's all there is. Chances that the GOP doesn't retaliate the instant they gain power? Approximately nil. :(
 
Geoist said:
Honestly, keep saying you aren't stuck in a cult hivemind while defending Dear Leader for taking top secret/nuclear documents! Absolutely sickening.

If you libs/leftists aren't subbed to Beau of the Fifth Column on YT I strongly recommend it. Short and to the point videos. He's a deep thinker and a quick wit.

Anyways, here are a few of his thoughts on the news, particularly about the Top Secret SCI-designated documents:

"[TS/SCI documents] are so secret they can only be viewed in a room specifically designed to protect secrets."

"[Some say], 'If I did this they would've already arrested me' No, if you did this you'd be in a basement somewhere being interrogated until you talked, and they would not hold anything back."

"Some say], 'I'd be looking at 10-20.' No, if you took SCI documents, had the opportunity to return them, elected not to, and went about your day probably meeting with foreign nationals, no you wouldn't be looking at 10-20. 10-20 would be what the groundskeeper tells your family when they go to visit you. Row 10, Plot 20."

"If you choose to stand beside this man politically after this, you never get to talk about supporting the troops again because you are putting them at risk. You never get to talk about wanting a strong country again, because you're weakening it. You never get to talk about how diversity training is weakening the military, because nothing weakens it more than not being able to protect its secrets."

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It's refreshing to listen to a typical looking redneck Trump follower (beard, military ballcap, biker type) tell us the truth about Trump and how anyone who defends Trump--after what we've found out about him--insults our troops with their support of this soulless bas*ard.
 
VySky said:
Hillary wasn’t and she had same level classified docs.
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How does that justify what Trump did?
You sound like a little kid saying, "well Hillary did it first". That is hardly an acceptable justification.
 
Metric Mouse said:
Ah, Beau the accelerationist, who doesn't want to ban Ar 15s so that he can tell people how to collapse the government and then sell life straws to those who are fearful. He's amazing.
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You are either ignorant or lying. Either way you're talking out of your ass. He is in fact anti-accelerationist. The video below is a great retort to the "tear it down" advocates like Bannon. He advocates a build it up, lend a hand approach. Quite the opposite of an accelerationist.

Starting at 9:54
"Not just does it [accelerating collapse] make it worse, it doesn't work, it hurts people. This isn't the way to go about anything. All you do is hurt people.

I personally started looking left because I got tired of watching people suffer. I get it, I really do. You're angry, the system is messed up, it's broke, it's also not sustainable. All this stuff, eventually it's going to happen with or without your help. Climate - there's going to be a whole bunch of things that can cause this situation to happen. Your anger is a gift, use it to help rather than to hurt. Start building the capacity to answer these questions. Start building power at the local level. Start building that network that can help people rather than put them in an even worse situation. That is probably a much better use of your time, becuase you can help people now. You can start with that now, you don't have to wait."

11:47 "If you really care about those people being hurt by the system that exists today, you don't want to make it worse for them. And that's what will happen."

 
Geoist said:
So using the word 'accelerationist' makes one an accelerationist? I know he's a bit of a prepper, but being a prepper doesn't make you an accelerationist.
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Yup.
Geoist said:
Black Panthers literally marched down the streets with semi-autos. Beau is a left-anarchist and, in case you didn't realize it, leftists tend to be more pro-gun than liberals and soc-dems.
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He is on the left, but I would disagree that he is an anarchist. He advocates building resilience and community cohesion at the local level. Not so much with the anarchy.
 
LostInSeattle said:
Yup.

He is on the left, but I would disagree that he is an anarchist. He advocates building resilience and community cohesion at the local level. Not so much with the anarchy.
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I think he identifies himself as an anarchist.

Anarchism is one of the most misunderstood ideologies. Good-faith anarchists in the mold of Proudhon (the father of anarchism), Kropotkin, Bookchin, etc advocated for local level-cohension and resilience.
 
cpwill said:
That's the problem, though - we let one off the hook, because she was a democratic nominee for president. With Trump potentially running again, it's hard to see how half the country doesn't see a prosecution for potentially a lesser version of the same offense as clear proof of a weaponized domestic law enforcement.

Heck, I'm no Trump fan, I'm a law and order guy, and I'd probably see it that way, if what we know about now it's all there is. Chances that the GOP doesn't retaliate the instant they gain power? Approximately nil. :(
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Maybe, but we've been through worse as a country. It seems every 80 to 100 years we have a major clash of the two major US subcultures.
 
jcgriff2 said:
Tell me, what would Trump or anyone else not a nuclear physicist want items they can't possibly read? All super-heavy math and other things lay people would think is greek.
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You're trolling, right? You've got to be trolling. No one with an IQ over 80 is going to seriously ask such an idiotic question.
 
cpwill said:
That's the problem, though - we let one off the hook, because she was a democratic nominee for president. With Trump potentially running again, it's hard to see how half the country doesn't see a prosecution for potentially a lesser version of the same offense as clear proof of a weaponized domestic law enforcement.
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He literally stole top secret documents. How is that a lesser offense?
 
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